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Posted on: Fri, 12/12/2003 - 9:03am
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erik, why are you testing a dead thread? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
Be sure, my good man, to re-raise your Panhandle Premium thread regularly.
It's too bad I couldn't go into business from my home taking Nestle Canada orders and shipping them into America. However..... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
Or, did you put the testing thing there because of what I wrote about gay marriages? I understand that *should* have been in the Debate thread Off Topic but it seemed somehow related, though not really.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Fri, 12/12/2003 - 9:51am
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Hi, Saw this in today's Boston Globe. Doesn't say anything about shipments from individuals, but it's some info about the reasoning behind the regs. I guess. bah humbug.
>Law aimed at protecting food supply takes effect
By Olga R. Rodriguez, Associated Press, 12/12/2003
REYNOSA, Mexico -- Indian pigeon peas, Mexican cilantro, Turkish laurel leaves -- any food headed for the American market -- will be more closely examined as of today under new rules to thwart bioterrorists.
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Under the Bioterrorism Act, the US government requires 400,000 food-handling companies at home and abroad to register all products with the Food and Drug Administration.
While the regulations affect imported and domestic food, foreign exporters fear they will be hit the hardest. Many say it could drive them out of the US market, although some hope the law will expedite trade.
The law requires those exporting food to the United States to give American inspectors advance notice before shipments arrive -- two hours for those crossing the border by truck, four hours for those on planes or trains, and eight if landing by ship.
Although there has not been a terrorist attack on the US food supply, Americans have been hit by an anthrax scare and FDA officials think green onions that originated in Mexico infected hundreds of US residents with hepatitis.
The FDA said that as of Wednesday, two days before the regulations were put in place, nearly 131,000 food-handling companies had registered, about 68,000 of them outside the United States.
Mexican customs broker Janet Martinez said many of her clients are not aware of the new law. She doubts they will register, let alone meet the requirements.
"In Mexico, there are places where there isn't even a phone," Martinez said. "A lot of our clients are small producers, and they are not at the level to comply with what the FDA is asking. They are going to be hit the hardest."
Javier Navarro, of the vegetable exporting company Nueva Era in the Mexicali Valley, said the regulations signal the beginning of trade roadblocks to come.
"There is a lot of uncertainty in all of this," said Navarro, whose company exports $8 million worth of cilantro, basil, spinach, leeks, and other vegetables to the United States each year. "We hear this is the first step in many more and tougher requirements the FDA will put in place. We don't have proof to show this, but at times it feels it is about protecting the American market."
FDA spokesman Michael Herndon said the rules were created to protect against a possible bioterrorism attack.
"The FDA goal is not to interrupt the flow of safe food imports," he said. "But just like with anything new, you'll have some bumps and bruises."
In India, exporters say the new rules could result in product losses. Subodh Shah, deputy manager of international marketing for Vadilal, a company that exports canned and frozen foods to the United States, said his products must be kept at near-freezing temperatures or they will spoil. Delays at ports of entry could cost him entire shipments.
Herndon said firms will have at least four months to get acquainted with the law and comply with the regulations. "We will allow for a period of education rather than enforcement," he said.
The FDA and US Customs have agreed to share information so that companies will not have to submit details about incoming shipments twice. Customs already requires companies to register imported products, but the FDA registration involves a much more detailed questionnaire. The FDA registration will enable the agency to track food as it leaves packing plants and arrives in ports.
Customs officers also will conduct FDA inspections, helping enforce bioterrorism regulations in about 300 ports of entry, Herndon said. About 1,800 customs officers ultimately could be trained to do inspections based on FDA guidelines, filling the gaps where the FDA lacks personnel.
Kazim Gurel, deputy chairman of the board of the Turkish company Kutas, which exports more than $10 million in oregano, laurel leaves, sage, and other spices to the United States, said the biggest headache for him will be additional paperwork. "At the end of the day, there will be added documentation. It involves more labor," he said. "But I wouldn't say it's a barrier to trade."
Jorge Lopez, who helps run his family-owned vegetable exporting company in Mexico, hopes the regulations will mean less time wasted at the border. Each day, his truck -- loaded with 18 tons of edible cactus -- takes an average of four hours to cross from Reynosa to Pharr, Texas.
"It's all about tracking the products, controlling what goes in," he said.
Still, Lopez wonders how effective the inspections would be in intercepting hazardous foods.
"When you think about it," he said, "they are always checking for illegal drugs, and they still get through."

Posted on: Fri, 12/12/2003 - 9:59am
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Quote:Originally posted by Alternative to Mainstream:
[b]erik, why are you testing a dead thread? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img][/b]
Hi Cindy..
I did "testing" since I couldn't see your posting.. I saw the thread was updated at 4 pm but didn't see your post.. now I do.
Oh, gay marriage and marijuana definitely fit in this thread [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Fri, 12/12/2003 - 11:09am
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You know what, erik? Now that I've read, thanks to cooper, that it is not only Canadian shipments into the U.S. being targeted, I feel somewhat better about the whole thing. Do you know what I mean?
I thought that it was something that Homeland Security was trying to say about Canada, as a country, specifically, and that had me concerned.
Now, we did go into some of the reasons why Americans may want to stop Canadians and their liberal views from shipping pre-packaged foods into America, but now I understand a lot better. It's everyone that they're concerned with, not just us.
Personally, it sounds like a lot of dead Mexican cilantro and spoiled fresh salsa to me as well. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
I'll have to check out the Debate thread in Off Topic and see if gay marriage is being discussed. I'm filling out the mail-in postcard to whoever the Alliance M.P.P. is here, I don't require postage for it, so I want him to know that there is at least ONE individual in this city that thinks the Alliance is off on that one.
But again, I really should check out the Debate thread to see where others stand before I post so boldly that I don't see what the big deal is at all with two gay people, in love, and willing to make the committment of marriage, being able to do so.
Perhaps it's because my best friend here in gay and I also have a dear friend in Toronto who is gay. Now, there was the psycho gay stalker we encountered in Stuck in Stayner and something to do with my DH, but that's another story. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img]
Okay, I do feel better that it's not just Canada.
And yes, that has been happening on the board quite a bit lately, not just sure if it's in long paged threads or not, but I saw responses clock in at a certain time and yet no response when I checked the actual thread.
Naer74, again, I am so sorry that I didn't get to you before the end of the day yesterday.
Really, please, some American person who lives close to the border, please let us know if you come across and pick up stuff often (or not) and if you can get our American friends any of this safe candy. That may be our next route for those who are not able to purchase through Panhandle.
I guess what I could do is the next time I'm in the post office, simply ask them for the paperwork that I would have to fill out if I was sending pre-packaged food into America.
Again, I do feel better that it's not just us Canadians. President Bush may have what he considers some very valid reasons to be ticked off with our Nation (or former Prime Minister - there is a good quote by him in this week's MacLean's magazine I believe - I have to find it and post it) but to stop the shipment of safe candy for PA children (although the FDA isn't seeing it that way).
And how do you get hepatitis from a vegetable? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/confused.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Fri, 12/12/2003 - 11:14am
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sometimes I can't se the most recent post in this thread.. maybe the thread is too long and is self destructing like the original rudeness thread

Posted on: Fri, 12/12/2003 - 11:16am
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Hi Cindy,
Gay marriage was discussed quite a bit in the off topic debate thread, and in general most people were supportive. Some are for it.. some are against it.. and soem are undecided

Posted on: Sat, 12/13/2003 - 12:10am
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I travelled to the states last week, and in my luggage I was bringing candy canes to decorate the tops of the gifts I was bringing. (They broke in my luggage, but that's another story.) At customs, on December 4th, the officials bantered back and forth amongst themselves about whether or not they should "allow" me to bring the candy into the country. (They were looking at my luggage on x-ray and saw it.) I was shocked and couldn't tell if they were teasing me or not. But then again, when do those straight-laced customs officials EVER joke around??? If I hadn't been already intimidated, I might have asked, but I didn't.
Suffice to say, I'm wondering if you can even walk food across the border like that anymore.

Posted on: Sat, 12/13/2003 - 12:28am
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Quote:Originally posted by Alternative to Mainstream:
[b]And how do you get hepatitis from a vegetable? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/confused.gif[/img]
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Quite possibly, feces.
Maybe I'm wrong. There are many different types of hepatitis, and modes of transmission. Blah. Ick. Ptooey.
How many of you still find "homebaked" goods for distribution in schools still a good idea?

Posted on: Sat, 12/13/2003 - 12:57am
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Momma Bear, you raise an interesting question re home-baked goods in the school. Since Jesse, PA, was my first child to enter the school system, I didn't really care for other people's home-made stuff because, of course, he couldn't eat it unless I had checked it. But, almost a double standard, it was okay for ME to send something in to class that was home-made. So why me and not other parents? Well, for me, personally, I knew that the food was "safe" for Jesse to eat.
But then, in thinking about how I bake myself, in my own home, and how others might bake as well, you really have to wonder if you want any of your children, PA or not, eating other people's home-made goods.
Of course, we have the Christmas parties coming up at school this week and Thursday there is a pot-luck lunch thing in Jesse's classroom. The teacher is allowing me to look at the food that is brought in so I can let Jesse know what is okay to eat or not. Each parent was given something very specific to bring in. I am required to bring in two bottles of Fruit Punch. Had to have a discussion with the teacher about what she really wanted because I don't buy fruit punch for my children.
Not sure what she asked other parents to bring in.
Jesse kept telling me that he was also told that any parent could send in dessert stuff as well. I asked the teacher and she said that that was a personal decision for each parent to make. I thought Jesse was trying to con me into baking and actually, when I think about that, probably trying to get me to bake so that he knows he could enjoy something safely.
Another party on Friday in my daughter's class. Have not been asked to bring in anything.
But no, a thought provoking question.
The way I feel right now, after a sleep deprived night killing mice in my kitchen, I'd say no, don't eat other people's home-made goods. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Sat, 12/13/2003 - 5:21am
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Mommabear, In my sons 504 it states no homemade food is allowed in school. I specifically requested this, and in all honesty it had little to do with pa.
If you saw how dirty some of those kids come to school I dont want any of them bringing food from their home to feed my kids.
It was funny because when I brought it up to a couple teachers they all said " Oh, I never eat that stuff, it goes right in the garbage!". I looked at them and said , "So its too disgusting for you to eat, but you give it to my kid?".
I got my way!

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