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Posted on: Thu, 08/16/2007 - 12:38am
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I think, for me it is just that school, children's activities and their lives just need to be less centered on food.
A 10 minute moving up ceremony for cub scouts involved one den mom bringing custom decorated cupcakes for her den.
Star of the Week in 3rd grade was supposed to be about a parent taking time out of their day to interact with the kids. It ended up being an event of who can bring the tastiest treat. IMHO a birthday celebration at school should consist of singing happy birthday and maybe a visit from the principal. Birthday parties with food can be enjoyed at home.
If we just try to redirect people to the mindset that not every event in life requires food for it to be enjoyable. That would eliminate a lot of food from our classrooms.
By tying a wellness policy to the planned snack time, it would also eliminate nearly all high risk allergens from classrooms.
We wouldn't need safe treats, people wouldn't be left out.

Posted on: Thu, 08/16/2007 - 2:56am
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I agree, as I posted earlier in the thread, I believe the Wellness Policy in each district should be enforced by the administration. My 12 yo DS is starting middle school this year. I received paperwork home from the transition class he attended and the following are listed as lunch options:
Regular lunch menu
the "grill"
salad bar
or ala cart (french fries, donuts, nochos, soda, candy bars, etc.)
Why is all this food necessary to begin with at school..for profit?
My PA son is still at the elementary level so I have a few years before we need to deal with the middle school, but I just don't understand how a school (5-8th grade)that has a wellness policy in place can serve these items on a daily basis to our already over-weight children. It HAS to be about profit.
If the school would just follow the wellness policy, none of us would have to worry about the cupcake queens. This should be much easier than it ends up being.
I know that I am going to start with the administration, then the school board to have the policy already in place followed.
gvmom...sorry things are so difficult for you right now. I hope you find a solution that will work for your family. Take care!

Posted on: Thu, 08/16/2007 - 3:55am
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[b]When I typed that, it came from a sincere sense of caring and wasn't intended as a judgement, but only as a "just in case".[/b]
I just wanted to be clear. I remember you and I, in a past life, discussing the in

Posted on: Thu, 08/16/2007 - 5:32am
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Quote:[b]Honestly, if I had my druthers, if it was all about me, I

Posted on: Thu, 08/16/2007 - 5:52am
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[b]In light of the previous statement, you can't possibly feel that way, and I wonder, if in your opinion, you feel the same about any parent who *would* send a treat box in.[/b]
I can absolutely feel that way. I hope, sincerely, that anyone who reads my statements doesn't think that I believe their choice to do other than what I am choosing means that I believe the motivation in their hearts doesn't come from and earnest place, a genuine desire to do what's best, for their children.
Challenging a long-held position doesn't mean I question a parents steadfastness to their child.
I can absolutely challenge the idea of a treat box. I have sent one in for 3 years. Whether I send one in or not doesn't make null and void that which compels me to do right by my child. But what compels me to do right by my child can absolutely null and void certain practices which I think might be doing him a disservice.
[b]All the same, I applaud your um....moxy, but still offer the caveat, and offer it in good faith. I know all too easy how tempting some things are.[/b]
There are many temptations in life. Certain of those I haven't indulged in so far, and will continue not to. That is the beauty of self-restraint.
[b]No challenge, just wondering, is the entire premise of your current mindset what is "right" legally?[/b]
What is posted here gets added bonuses of philosophical waxing peppered in. Emotions also are allowed their voice. My current mindset in this thread is to explore a multitude of facets with respect to what I've put out there. With a stress on legality.
In real life, if we are talking about dealing with the school, whole different enchilada. I mean, heck, I wouldn't even use "enchilada" with them unless it is in the context of the USDA Dietary Accommodations.

Posted on: Thu, 08/16/2007 - 6:17am
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Quote:Originally posted by gvmom:
[b]I can absolutely feel that way. [/b]
It's impossible for me to believe considering the aspersions you placed around how I witheld my children's attendance. I am, afterall, probably the only poster in this thread who fits the description of purposely withholding their childrens' attendance. First of all, I've never flipped any of them the bird. Double, or otherwise. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
As a matter of fact, I just had a heart to heart over the phone with the director of special educations services.
I was praying she hadn't quit.
I shared some very personal and detailed and in some cases, probably unnecessary, details of my life, current or otherwise. I'm glad she took the time to listen. She never acts rushed. She's one of the first people, other than my husband, I told I was pregnant. If there is anything I'm thankful for, it's my ability to wear my heart on my sleeve, even though some might call it a curse.
Again, I'm rooting for you, take it at face value. If I didn't care, I wouldn't add the caveat.

Posted on: Thu, 08/16/2007 - 6:24am
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Quote:Originally posted by lilpig99:
They speak of discrimination occurring only when a substitution is not offered. The whole school is not required to be offered the same lunch. This might viewed as being legally acceptable for the classroom as well.
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Quote:Originally posted by gvmom:
You know though, this could be an interesting legal point. I'm going to have to go back through the booklet that goes with the USDA form for meal accommodations to review the language.
Point is, if the school spends enough time to find a safe substitution at other times, why not just dispense the safe substitution for all?
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Quote:Originally posted by PinkPoodle:
This is an interesting avenue because in the lunch example (USDA) the SCHOOL is required to provide the substitution. They couldn't possibly provide a substitution cupcake for MFA children without it being certified as: MFA-free. Have they ever seen the price of cupcakes from Divvies ? We (PARENTS) are the ones providing the substitutions---and yes, I know we are not talking about LUNCH, but if the SCHOOL is sanctioning this activity of cupcakes galore during class hours (not us parents---I would definitely prefer a non-food celebration room & my guess is most of us here prefer that), then the SCHOOL should be obligated to provide the alternative.
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I think this is amazing. Thank you.
Our Food Service offers cupcakes for sale (per dozen?) to parents who wish to purchase them for classroom birthday (or other) celebrations. The Food Service (Chartwell's) advertises this service to parents as convenient and "nut free". It never occurred to me that these cupcakes could have been used as a substitute treat that the SCHOOL provided my child.
I think the concept of the SCHOOL (not the parent of the FA child) providing the alternative safe substitute treat is viable. At least it would be in my situation where the food serivce can provide the school with a safe and comparable substitute.
Brilliant.

Posted on: Thu, 08/16/2007 - 6:44am
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Gail, thank you for pulling those 3 posts like that and how you put it. How you managed to wade through it all amazes me... but I wanted to thank you for that.
Having a tidy "connect the dots" is just what I needed to help my brain right now with that USDA idea.
[b]It's impossible for me to believe considering the aspersions you placed around how I witheld my children's attendance. [/b]
Well, then, that is an issue for you to decide if it is worth working on. I didn't cast aspersions, I questioned you. I can't make you believe.
[b]I am, afterall, probably the only poster in this thread who fits the description of purposely withholding their childrens' attendance.[/b]
Which is precisely why I did question you... challenge even. If you and I are both acknowledging that we come closest to fitting the description, why can't I question what you are doing? I'm trying to figure things out for a whole bunch of muck on my end. If you felt I was putting the screws to you with respect to your earnestness towards your motivation, I already apologized. But, really, some things I ask, and I ask it directly... maybe you don't like the tone... but it is what it is....and it could be there's a reason for the wording. Possibly immediacey? Maybe not wanting to get bogged down in certain things. I know we are treading carefully here for a multitude of reasons, but can't I just ask something with a "let's cut the cr** tone?" (yeah, I used 2 asterisks. Sorry to anyone who it offends. "Poo" just doesn't work)
[b]I was praying she hadn't quit.[/b]
Be thankful for that. Her not quitting. That's as close to an elaboration as you are getting.

Posted on: Thu, 08/16/2007 - 6:54am
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]
I think the concept of the SCHOOL (not the parent of the FA child) providing the alternative safe substitute treat is viable. At least it would be in my situation where the food serivce can provide the school with a safe and comparable substitute.
[/b]
Just thinking outloud -- I could see the school (district) claiming this to be cost prohibitive and, finding its back against the wall, having to reconsider allowing any food treats AT ALL into the classroom.
~Eliz

Posted on: Thu, 08/16/2007 - 7:05am
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[b]Just thinking outloud -- I could see the school (district) claiming this to be cost prohibitive and, finding its back against the wall, having to reconsider allowing any food treats AT ALL into the classroom.
~Eliz[/b]
Just musing out loud. Not at all my official stance. I think it would be enjoyable to watch a district accept the idea that they did have to provide a safe alternative (which I agree with).... embrace it since it promotes their willy nilly attitudes that kids should have a right to a birthday treat, and that food is something they can't set limits on Then, as they get swamped with requests from cupcake queens and must-have-trays-of-food party moms, they realize the folly of their move..... prompting them to be the kill-joys for once, feeling the wrath of all of those who feel entitled to their junkfood, causing them to spend their days regretting ever letting cupcake queens rule the school in the first place.... thus deciding to ally with the Food Allergic community. Food in the classromms banned forever!!!! *the crowd cheers* And children with FA's living happily ever after, and those other kids managed to survive into adulthood without a cupcake in school.
The End.

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