taping meetings

Posted on: Tue, 09/19/2006 - 7:04am
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I have a "domain" meeting for a case study evaluation tomorrow. I have just been told by the principal that if [b]even one[/b] person objects to my taping the meeting, I cannot. This is for a potential IEP.

Is this true? I thought it was my [i]right[/i] to tape the meeting.

Posted on: Tue, 09/19/2006 - 7:17am
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I thought so too... but I could be wrong.
I taped a few...er, "for personal reasons" when I worked in academia. Figured it was my right to tape my own conversations... even if another person didn't know it was happening.
Never had to use any of them, but I was sick of being lied to and playing "he said-she said." (grimly)My personal feeling is that if the thought occurs to you to record the meeting-- you should.
I guess I'd plop the tape recorder on the table and if anyone objects, smile and ask "Why ever not??"
Maybe they think it will, ummm, 'steal their souls' or something? To have their voices recorded, you know.... [i]of course, this asssumes that they have souls to begin with...[/i] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Posted on: Tue, 09/19/2006 - 7:27am
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MB, I looked into this at one point with another parent and we asked OCR. I dug through my old e-mails and found this response from OCR:
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[i]In response to your question concerning Section 504 meetings and whether you were allowed to tape record conversations in these meeting. The below information was obtained off the web-site based upon your concerns.
DO PARENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAPE RECORD MEETINGS & CONFERENCES?
"The subject of whether or not a parent has the right to tape record IEP meetings frequently arises. Based upon recent guidance contained in appendix A to the 1999 IDEA regulations, it appears that the answer is: "It depends." In order to understand whether an enforceable right to tape an IEP conference exists in a particular situation, one must reference both state and federal law on this issue...Parents wishing to use audio or video recording devices at IEP meetings should consult state or local policies for further guidance...There is no law or regulation that specifically allows or prohibits the taping of IEP conferences. Thus, under its general powers, a school board could, under state law, adopt reasonable rules and regulations sustaining a general prohibition against taping, provided that exceptions were allowed. However, our overall sense of this issue is that a parent could pretty easily establish the need to tape record an IEP conference based upon the vague language contained in the appendix, [Appendix A to the 1999 IDEA regulations] and a court reviewing this issue would likely give deference to the guidance provided by the Untied States Department of Education on this issue."
(Attorneys Sweet, Stevens, Tucker & Katz, LLP Home Page. "Tape Recording of IEP Conferences." < [url="http://www.sweetstevens.com/FSL5CS/special"]http://www.sweetstevens.com/FSL5CS/special[/url] education/special education64.asp >.) twelfth
The bottom line - there is no law or regulation that specifically allows or prohibits the taping of IEP conferences. Thus, under its general powers, a school could, under state law, adopt reasonable rules and regulations sustaining a general prohibition against taping, provided that exceptions were allowed.
If you have any additional questions concerning this matter please feel free to contact me.
(name)
Equal Opportunity Advisor
U.S. Department of Education
Kansas City, Missouri
(816) xxx-xxxx voice
(816) xxx-xxxx fax
(800) 437-0833 TTY[/i]

Posted on: Tue, 09/19/2006 - 7:31am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
I have just been told by the principal that if [b]even one[/b] person objects to my taping the meeting, I cannot.
Is this a policy?
Can the principal show this policy to you in writing?
If it's not a policy, can the principal show you the minutes of the meeting in which this decision was agreed upon?
Are exceptions allowed?
Where does it say that exceptions are/aren't allowed?

Posted on: Tue, 09/19/2006 - 7:33am
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aw, Corvallismom, I'm so sorry if I've been a cranky itchbe. I don't deserve the laugh you just gave me.
So, can I borrow the "souls" line??? canIcanIcanI????? Already, I'm almost hoping they refuse.....
And with all sincerity, can I count it as ingratiating myself to them?? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]
digressing....I had a dream last night...I dreamt a train was barrelling through me over and over and over..(I could feel the sudden draft, sorta like a giant airzooka---kept waking me up. It seemed so loud, my ears hurt.)
They keep telling me I have to come to the meeting [i]without the baggage[/i]. [i]They make it all but impossible.[/i]
But, hey, the h*ll I do. Who do they think they are, telling me how to feel, when to feel it, and what I'm allowed to ask???
end digression. Is there any legal quip that says I can tape, and the meeting must go on? I'm too tired and beat down to even look it up. It's so depressing.

Posted on: Tue, 09/19/2006 - 7:35am
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oh, gail, thank you. I just saw your post....
I already am feeling more prepared....

Posted on: Tue, 09/19/2006 - 7:41am
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How important is this issue? If you press for written policy, they produce none and yet still refuse, would you be wiling to walk out of the meeting then and there?

Posted on: Tue, 09/19/2006 - 8:02am
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]How important is this issue? If you press for written policy, they produce none and yet still refuse, would you be wiling to walk out of the meeting then and there?[/b]
Gail, this is the school I originally walked out on with my first cub.
I'm sure they would just *love* that I pack this one up too. I'm on the verge and they know it....
Can't say I did a bad job with the first one. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
I picked my child up early this morning. (Yet another playground accident) There was the district nurse, the social worker, and the principal there waiting for me....
Honestly? Intimidation has been the only mode operandi this particular school in the district has ever employed with me. It comes as no surprise.
The teacher sent home a worksheet paper with "three hours of one-to-one" written on it. [i]The answers were all wrong.[/i]
Can you believe it? Three hours and the only productive thing that comes of it is [i]wrong answers[/i]. [b]No wonder my middle child is in a tizzy.[/b] I mean, (sarcasm) [i]what a great lesson to learn[/i]: Three hours of intensity brings absolutely no learning. No insight. Nothing but "oh, yeah kid, you still can't show me how."
I'm almost afraid to send him into that situation again...
When I discussed this concern with a person at the district, there was giggling...
first I have to deal with eyerolling, now [i]giggling[/i]. And there is offense taken when I ask them to stop.
Weren't you the one who posted about [i]giggling[/i] before? If so, I can soooooo sympathize.
Oh, and the tutoring? The first day, [i]they forgot[/i] and sent him to wait for his ride home. Good thing we showed up early.

Posted on: Tue, 09/19/2006 - 8:22am
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Do you want to force this issue? Depending on what you want . . . you could try to address it once and for all at the very start of the meeting. You'd have to take charge and be willing to leave. Do you want to do that? You might have to get up and walk out. . .
1. Go in with the tape recorder and set it on the table. Boom.
2. If they tell you, "no" then [b]turn it on anyway [/b]and state into the recorder, "I have been told by X that I must turn off this tape recorder. Please state why I have been asked to turn off the tape recorder."
3. If they refuse you, just say this is something you need dealt with now. You can wait for them to provide you with the information that you are requesting, but that you need supporting documentation of the assertion you cannot tape record you child's IEP meeting.
4. You can then present a prepared letter stating your intent to tape the meeting. Before sliding it across the table read the letter into the tape recorder:
[i] "This letter is to inform you of our intent to tape record our son's, Cub X, IEP Meeting. If you prohibit us from tape recording this meeting, we request that you provide us with the X School District policy stating that we cannot tape record IEP meetings and the minutes of the School Board in which this policy was passed. Sincerely, Mr/Mrs Bear" [/i]
4. If they still want you to turn off the tape recorder, say that you will when they provide you with the written information that you've requested. If they refuse to provide that, you could say that you can wait for it.
5. If they still refuse, you could ask to reschedule at a time when they can provide you with this information. You could walk out.
I mean, you could have the show down right then and there. Before the 'real' meeting even starts.

Posted on: Tue, 09/19/2006 - 8:22am
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oy. GAAAAAAA! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img]
In light of the situation, feel free. It is clear they have no souls to steal. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
Time for Rambo-Mom, huh? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
(Remember, DH has that pair o' boots if ya need em.)
Good luck.

Posted on: Tue, 09/19/2006 - 8:25am
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Would you be willing to schedule (pay for) a stenographer?

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