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Posted on: Mon, 10/09/2006 - 1:15am
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Whether or not it is harmful depends on the troop and the leaders. When dd was in Girl Scouts, they had Saint Patricks Day party in a BAR. Yes, you read that correctly, it was a bar, actually an Irish pub. And of course it had peanut bowls and residue everywhere, so dd was excluded, but come on, what are they doing having an event for 7 year old girls in a bar?
About the outcast thing, at our school, almost every girl in first grade was wearing a brownie uniform on Wednesdays. That was why I even made the effort to put dd in. Because of the uniform, it was very clear who was in and who wasn`t.
About the self confidence and speaking skills, again it depends on the troop and the leaders. All I saw was a bunch of out of control, poorly behaved girls, overpowering a few well behaved ones (mine was one of the well behaved ones). Dd got far more self confidence and speaking skills from her acting and modeling than she ever did from Girl Scouts. There are many ways to acquire those skills other than scouts.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/09/2006 - 1:50am
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Quote:Originally posted by Carefulmom:
[b]About the outcast thing, at our school, almost every girl in first grade was wearing a brownie uniform on Wednesdays. That was why I even made the effort to put dd in. Because of the uniform, it was very clear who was in and who wasn`t.
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our school district [i]outlaws[/i] identifying group "uniforms".
They consider it a [i]distraction[/i].
The dress code is strictly [i]enforced[/i]. For example: No wearing of any hats inside the building, including [i]hoodies[/i].
This is a [i]public school[/i]. Shorts can be no more than just above the knee. No mini skirts, no sleeveless shirts (we have air conditioning). They also reserve the right to send someone home for wearing anything they deem [i]age inappropriate[/i] clothing. Including stuff people obviously have [i]grown out of[/i].
I'm all for it. The girl next to my son in class doesn't need to wear [i]fishnets[/i], anymore than he needs to wear chaps and a cowboy hat. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
I'm bracing myself for an all out ban on camo soon......my youngest son has amassed an entire closet full of the stuff.

Posted on: Mon, 10/09/2006 - 9:15am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] In kindergarten when we first moved in, they came around from the park district signing children up for [i]soccer[/i]. My first child, I thought, "Oh, alright."
My husband, visionary that he is, volunteered to be assistant coach in order to.........[i]run interference[/i] for our son. (Not too coordinated, slower physically, very unstreetwise, and um......we are all outcasts by nature. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img])
Anywhooo, my husband, who had never been in sports of any kind as a child or adult, never had been to *any* kind of sporting event, and who was very independent and [i]self reliant[/i] [b]volunteered[/b].
I sat there on the sidelines that year cringing as other parents heckled my son (who wasn't the worlds fastest runner) and other less athletically endowed five and six year olds that season. The offenders didn't take kindly to gentle reprimands from the assistant coach to [i]lay off[/i] the children. I always spent the remainder of the afternoon restoring my son's self esteem. It was a disaster.
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I've seen nothing but understanding and kindness by parents and coaches of kids that age in our soccer club. They even suspended the use of a whistle for one under 6 team that had a child with an autism spectrum disorder who was bothered by the loud sound.
Now, the older kids' parents can be vicious. My eight year old had a run-in with some awful moms on travel soccer last year, but he somehow survived and has really improved this year.
I agree, the "popular" activities aren't for every kid. My mother in law has often lamented that one grandson didn't play any sports and his parents dressed him so nerdy. He's now an accomplished violist and just received notification that he is being recognized as a National Merit Scholar. I do think it helps with the peanut allergy issue to volunteer in most cases.

Posted on: Fri, 10/13/2006 - 12:36pm
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In support of girlscouts... My dd is one and loves it. It has been great socially for her. Her leaders try very hard to accomodate her allergy. They asked about how to use the epipen and what to look for. Its the leaders that make the difference- don't knock the entire organization. Education is the key. We need to help educate others.

Posted on: Fri, 10/13/2006 - 10:36pm
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also in suport of girl scouts. my daughter just joined this past week. im going to be the second parent in the room. a co-leader of sorts,
before i signed krisin up and volentiered, i had to know if it was going to be peanut free because im going to have to bring my son sometimes...
she emmedatily said no problem.
so we will see..
i was a girl scout for 9 years, i missed my 10 year pin by one year. went to church camp that last year and discovered boys!!!
i was so happy when i found out they were starting a daisy troop i our school district.
however i do find it disturbing that the council is so unacomadating for a ltfa. and that the leaders of certin troops are acting in such a manor that will affect the health and safty of there members.
i would bring this to the attention of the council leaders in your aera and if that dosnt work go with someone over there heads.
because quite frankly i think its BULL DOOKIE that you or any one else has to take that kind of garbage. and that a cupple of bad seeds will spoil the whole girl scout experance for you and your daughter.
this turned out to be much longer than i expected.
just my 2 cents
erin

Posted on: Fri, 10/13/2006 - 11:02pm
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As far as today goes, my leaders were sympathetic, and it may be only their two girls even going. It was last minute, and there is a conflicting school event which sounds like a blast.
Two schools buddied up(ours and the other school is one I love) and have faculty-parent rock bands, and games and such. It is super fun for the kids to see the principle rockin' out in a band, LOL!
That is if we even make it as dh just came in on the red-eye after a week away, showered and is off to soccer! We may all just crash for the afternoon!
I am going to keep a log of these events, and I do have a buddy mom, whose dd is in the troop with PA, and very proactive on the allergy issues. So, together, perhaps we can do something if it is an ongoing issue at council level. becca

Posted on: Fri, 10/13/2006 - 11:42pm
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Quote:Originally posted by smudgesgarden:
[b]
however i do find it disturbing that the council is so unacomadating for a ltfa. and that the leaders of certin troops are acting in such a manor that will affect the health and safty of there members.
i would bring this to the attention of the council leaders in your aera and if that dosnt work go with someone over there heads.
because quite frankly i think its BULL DOOKIE that you or any one else has to take that kind of garbage. and that a cupple of bad seeds will spoil the whole girl scout experance for you and your daughter.
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Here's the problem with the [i]chain of command[/i] (ie, what you are recommending: "go with someone over their heads"). In [i]volunteer[/i] organizations that depend heavily upon the gratuitous service of their membership, the chain of command often works in [i]the wrong direction[/i]. Too many people "in charge". [i]A conflict of interest[/i].
It's really difficult, if not near impossible, to enforce or bring to fruition, [i]a mission statement[/i] without everyone being "on board".
I've got to ask myself: Do I want to support an organization and invest myself in it with not only *my* time and energy [i]and hope[/i] but my [i]child's[/i] as well?" This is where, in my parenting crossroads, [i]anticipatory guidance[/i] comes in handy. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img] Good judgement, I mean.
My plate is already full wading through the "volunteer" organizations coagulated by "involved" parents enmasse throughout my children's schools. Unpoliced and rampant throughout my children's schools weaving their tentacles "up the chain of command" under the guise of "fundraising". [i](urge to vomit)[/i]
Honestly? It's to the point my school smirks at my requests to enforce a [b]Federally Promulgated[/b] Law meant to protect my child. It's almost as if I need a lawyer and a Due Process hearing to get [i]the simplest[/i] of accommodations delivered. Some good all that fundraising is going to do them if [i]lawyers[/i] are involved...
But honestly? I don't think the fundraising is the payoff. For the school or the parents.
In our district, I'll be willing to guess most, if not all families could just afford to donate a small amount each year to the district without all the exchange of material goods and [i]time[/i].Material goods mostly being [i]food[/i]. Junk food. Probably less money delivered that way would go alot further than requiring I spend "x" amount of dollars (usually an overinflated amount) on an item I don't need and surely my school doesn't need. You know, no "middle man", less money leaving my pocket, but more for the school.
The school administration, I think, just doesn't have the wherewithal (in addition to the high turnover rate of staff) to deal with the social networks such "volunteer" organizations choke....I mean, [i]embrace[/i] the school with.
Lately, I'm having trouble remembering if my child is leaving for a [i]carnival[/i] each day, or school. Considering the amount of [i]non-essential[/i] food items present on school grounds each day.
I'm waiting for the cotton candy spinner replace the front desk soon....

Posted on: Sat, 10/14/2006 - 2:47am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]
But honestly? I don't think the fundraising is the payoff. For the school or the parents.
In our district, I'll be willing to guess most, if not all families could just afford to donate a small amount each year to the district without all the exchange of material goods and [i]time[/i].Material goods mostly being [i]food[/i]. Junk food. Probably less money delivered that way would go alot further than requiring I spend "x" amount of dollars (usually an overinflated amount) on an item I don't need and surely my school doesn't need. You know, no "middle man", less money leaving my pocket, but more for the school.
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The high school my son went to did a "pass the hat" at "Back to School" night instead of any other fundraising and it was widely embraced! I was so excited when my daughter's elementary school announced they were going to do this but I guess it wasn't as successful in part (IMHO) because they didn't believe folks would kick in enough and already had other fundraising (running alongside the "pass the hat" night). So we're back to being saddled with other time consuming fund raising [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

Posted on: Sat, 10/14/2006 - 4:11am
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Quote:Originally posted by nancy023:
[b] I've seen nothing but understanding and kindness by parents and coaches of kids that age in our soccer club. They even suspended the use of a whistle for one under 6 team that had a child with an autism spectrum disorder who was bothered by the loud sound.
Now, the older kids' parents can be vicious. My eight year old had a run-in with some awful moms on travel soccer last year, but he somehow survived and has really improved this year.
[/b]
[b]Uniontown, PA[/b]:
[url="http://www.wral.com/sports/10068922/detail.html"]http://www.wral.com/sports/10068922/detail.html[/url]
[i]Disgusting.[/i]
edit to add disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. I do not guarantee the accuracy, currentness, content, or applicability of the link in this post. While individual mileage may vary, I remember [i]vividly[/i] the gym teacher just standing by while as the opening whistle blew during Dodge Ball and every ball hurled at me simultaneously. What an asinine game to organize as part of "Physical Education". Dorks.
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Posted on: Sat, 10/14/2006 - 2:36pm
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That story about the evil coach of the autistic boy has been big news, here. I don't think it's the norm, and will stick by my guns in saying that volunteering can usually help. I agree that dodge ball can be a frightening experience (flashbacks of manly girls hurling kickballs that have gone half flat are going through my head).

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