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Posted on: Wed, 11/08/2006 - 2:11am
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...very allergic to walnut...
Boy does THAT catch my eye. Coincidence? Perhaps.... but that is the only allergy DH knows he has that could possibly have accounted for his RXN to that Campbell's soup. This was two different occasions, same type of soup. He's eaten Progresso and other brands without incident. But he definitely isn't a person who has frequent hives. These were the two times I can recall, in fact, in over ten years.

Posted on: Wed, 11/08/2006 - 4:07am
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Hi Gail - Did they say about how long it would take before you get the testing results? How is Mariah doing? I still can't believe all the reaction stories from Campbell's soup! Brandon doesn't like soup; probably a good thing!!
Let me know how things are going!
Hugs,
Tracy

Posted on: Wed, 11/08/2006 - 5:34am
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Hi CorvallisMom, That's interesting about walnuts. I saw your DH reacted to Campbell's soup with wild rice. For some reason, I associate walnuts with wild rice. Like a rice pilaf type dish. KWIM?
Hey Tracy. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] The testing will take one to two weeks. I don't think they'll find anything because they can't test the original can she ate from (because I put it in the trash). But who knows.
Mariah was fine that same night. Her symptoms resolved fairly quickly. . . within an hour. Of course we 'hovered', and DH actually stayed in her room all night and I kept her home from school the next day. Just because.
I'm trying to spin this experience into something positive. But I'm not quite there yet. LOL. Because Mariah continues to have contact reactions, we knew she was still highly allergic. But still, this was a shock. It's been such a long time since she's had an ingestion reaction. . . 8 years. It's not that I thought her allergy was any less 'severe' or anything, but we're always so careful and that's become routine. I'm feeling that same depression that I felt those first years of managing this. Hard to explain. . .
I think I should try to comment on how DH and I responded that night. Namely, that we did not administer the epi-pen. I sorta thought, kinda expected, and actually sorta [i]hoped[/i] that readers would comment that this was a situation in which an epi-pen should have been administered. Because her symptoms resolved, it wasn't necessary. But we know that only in hindsight. If you look at Mariah's symptoms on the "grading chart", her 'throat itchiness' is the first symptoms (in bold) which indicates the use of an epi-pen. I definitely learned something from this experience. And I'm grateful that this was a wake up call for that. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 11/09/2006 - 12:01am
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I'm very glad she's okay-- and I am also glad that you are not beating yourself up over not administering Epi.
If we did that every time DD had those same symptoms, she'd spend time in the ER on a monthly basis. So we tend to do what you did. (right or wrong) Sometimes we wonder in hindsight how dangerous that decision is, but at the time, we just follow our gut instincts. {{hugs}}
We eat a lot of wild rice, btw. DH loves it. So I don't want people with TNA to be scared off of it-- though it is certainly paired up with tn a bit too frequently when eating out!

Posted on: Thu, 11/09/2006 - 12:59am
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Gail you have a big number after your name and always present with well thought out ideas. I wanted to say something about the epi pen but I am not a fan of "soulda couldas...."
I did notice you tried to not say "wait and see" but you kind of did when you said your DH is a physician.
I might have said something if you had only a few numbers after your name KWIM?
However I do feel I let this one drop and maybe for the benefit of those with little experience I SHOULD have said something.
I would have used the epi because the scratchy throat scared me. I also would have outruled my DH who is also a physician. DS and I outruled him during DS First reaction. DH wanted us to go to the pediatrician and I stage whispered at him "He'll DIE in the waiting room"
At that point DS said "DO I have to go to the hospital?" and both DH and I said YES in Unison.
It is tough to outrule a physician husband when you love and trust him. I'll bet you will be OK with that now and maybe someday take Mariah aside and tell her you knew daddy had a good handle on things. But (how do you say this without saying BUT?) next time we are going to use the epi just to be safe. And go to the ER.
Honestly I don't think a good handle on a reaction is good enough but now Mariah can know she has the power to outrule anyone, daddy, mommy or a teacher too.
This is how we learn right? I mean we took DS in the car three times for ingestion reactions. How misguided we were but DH is thinking money/ambulance/fuss and I am thinking make a big fuss/ spend all we have/ save his life. We are both on the same page but diffrent chapters.
And as an aside I always worry about that allergen making it's way through 40 feet of intestine and being absorbed all the way. What is that doing to my son. I say that in the ER to let the doc know I KNOW and all three times they said "HMMMMM" OK we'll put him on a week of steroids. I let them know what I am thinking and what I want to happen and they agreed with me all three times.
Ingestion reactions scare me the most.
Peg

Posted on: Thu, 11/09/2006 - 1:07am
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My kids are grown. They are my first and second children right? W
hen they were young teens and would ask permission to do something like ride in a car driven by another teenager I would say "Listen forgive me this is my FIRST TIME dealing with this sort of thing"
And I would think out loud my objections. NO WAY JOSE but I let them know how and why I made that decision.
Geez they have to know if you are my firstborn I am as new to this as you are but I have the biggest vote, daddy and I do. Your vote comes second for this opportunity.
So it seems to me it is perfectly OK to explain to a child that mom and dad are also new at this PA stuff and we are going to err on the side of caution every time.
We are all learning every day. Mom and dad are not finished learning and some day we will be learning from you.
That is a fact. I learn from my children every day. Once in a while I will say "**** off college boy/girl" if one of them is spouting off some coffee shop wisdom and we all laugh and get over it.
Peg

Posted on: Thu, 11/09/2006 - 1:23am
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Thanks Corvallis Mom and Peg. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Peg, I knew you related and I knew what you thought. Thank you for saying it. I needed you to say it for others to benefit.
Quote:Originally posted by Peg541:
[b]I would have used the epi because the scratchy throat scared me. I also would have outruled my DH who is also a physician. [/b]
[i]Thank you.[/i]
I also knew that you didn't initially say this. . . well, out of the respect that you show every poster here. Thank you for that too.
But it needed to be said. 'Wait and see' was exactly what we did, and that was wrong. Even with the good outcome. I don't want anyone reading here to come to any other conclusion. I witnessed my DD stating she had a scratchy throat and witnessed her having shallow breathing. Yet I allowed my DH and Mariah to 'out voted' me.
Quote:Originally posted by Peg541:
[b]I would have used the epi because the scratchy throat scared me. I also would have outruled my DH who is also a physician. [/b]
Worth repeating. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Live and learn. Learn and live.

Posted on: Fri, 11/10/2006 - 12:13am
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interesting list on the FDA's website regarding Campbell's soup:
[url="http://google2.fda.gov/search?output=xml_no_dtd&oe=&lr=&proxystylesheet=FDA&client=FDA&site=FDA&getfields=*&q=Campbell%27s+soup&as=Search"]http://google2.fda.gov/search?output=xml...+soup&as=Search[/url]

Posted on: Fri, 11/10/2006 - 2:41am
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]interesting list on the FDA's website regarding Campbell's soup:
[url="http://google2.fda.gov/search?output=xml_no_dtd&oe=&lr=&proxystylesheet=FDA&client=FDA&site=FDA&getfields=*&q=Campbell%27s+soup&as=Search"]http://google2.fda.gov/search?output= xm...+soup&as=Search[/url] [/b]
Were there specific links there you were interested in or just the sheer number of them listed? I clicked on a couple, saw they use genetically modified produce and that there was a recall earlier due to shellfish protein in the cream of mushroom soup and once because they actually had clam chowder in a cream of mushroom soup container.
Is Mariah allergic to shellfish by any chance?
What's also disturbing are the other things listed for recall on those lists. Blood platlets, allergen patch tests, cardiac equipment...eek.

Posted on: Sat, 11/11/2006 - 2:14pm
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I'm glad Mariah is OK. I know this sounds odd, but could she be allergic to potatos? My DD seems to be allergic to potatos. I don't let her eat them anymore, but when she did, she would get a tightening in her jaws. The way I would describe it is like that tightening you felt when you were a kid and you had the mumps. She's tried fried, baked, mashed, still gets that same feeling.
I asked her doc (well, it was the nurse practioner who gave her check up this year) and she said it was odd, but just avoid them. I didn't have her tested. Next time I retest her, I'll have them add potatos.
I also know what it feels like to have your DH "out vote" you. But, yours being a physician, I would've felt a little better with his decision as he probably knows more.
When my DD had her reaction at 2, my DH did not want to call an ambulance (didn't give Epi at the time) and insisted he drive her to the ER. That was a BIG mistake. We were both new to the allergy and very uneducated about the whole thing including how and when to use the Epi. Now, we know better. It is a tough call tho.

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