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Posted on: Thu, 02/10/2005 - 3:15am
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Yes, we automatically avoid all Chinese and Thai restaurants. We are teaching our son that this is a reasonable limit since peanuts and nuts are so prevalent in these cuisines and cross-cantamination is likely. I love Chinese food but we have learned to buy frozen varieties from reputable companies that we trust labelling and I have learned to cook some so that I may satisfy my cravings. My brother goes to these restaurants with friends for special occasions but drinks only tea and water and eats before or after. He is not bothered by odours of nuts.

Posted on: Thu, 02/10/2005 - 4:30am
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Kathyrn, as I always tell you, great to see you! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Care to share some of those recipes? I have stir fried rice down okay and a meat stir fry, but that's about it.
I love Chinese Food. But if I recall, it was one of those things that you always felt empty after eating it a couple of hours later.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 02/10/2005 - 7:00am
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I won't go in any with our son!!!

Posted on: Thu, 02/10/2005 - 7:58am
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I am so glad this topic is being discussed!
Just a few days before the sad news about Gina's death was announced, my daughter was invited to a birthday party at at Chinese Restaurant. ALL OF HER CLOSEST GIRLFRIENDS ARE GOING. It is the first time this has happened.
We have never allowed her to eat from a Chinese, Indian, Thai etc establishment (PN/TN) (yes, land ike so many others it is mine and DH's secret date night haunts!)--but how should I respond to this situation?
Should I allow her to go and take her own food? Do I go in and bring the darn pan and cooking utentils? The kids really want to watch the chef do all the fancy stuff at the table--sort of like Benihana (sp?). The thought of her sitting at home on the night when all the others is out is so heartbreaking! Even if we were to take her out and try to make a special evening for her, I know she would be feeling so alone and rejected. Please Advise if you have faced a similar predicament!
Susie

Posted on: Thu, 02/10/2005 - 10:03am
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Susie,
I may be WAY off base here with this idea...but I'll give it a shot. Any chance you could show the article about Gina's death to the birthday girl's mom and see if they could change the restaurant? If these are her closest friends, maybe they just need to be reminded of its dangers to her?
If the restaurant has peanut products, I'd be scared for her to go, but we're just starting to venture out to restaurants any way...so they all seem scary right now.
I'd also be a little concerned about if she safely eats at this one, will she let her guard down somewhere else?
Hopefully I'm making sense here [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/confused.gif[/img].
Meg

Posted on: Fri, 02/11/2005 - 5:40am
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Quote:Originally posted by Carefulmom:
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My rule in restaurants is if someone has a thick accent, I just have to assume they don`t understand what I am saying. I cannot take the chance that they act like they understand and they really don`t. So if someone has a thick accent, we just move on to another restaurant.[/b]
My grandmother, who is Japanese, has lived in the US for 56 years, and speaks (and understands) English fluently. However, she does have a heavy accent.
Most people who learn a second language as an adult end up speaking with a heavy accent. It's not something that is easy to "unlearn".
Just because someone can't make the language "sound" the right way doesn't mean that they don't understand it.

Posted on: Sun, 02/13/2005 - 4:28am
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That is definitely true. On the other hand, if I don`t know the person, and my child`s life depends on knowing if they understand what I am saying, I of course will not take the chance. Better to be safe than in the ICU.

Posted on: Wed, 03/02/2005 - 2:45pm
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The points that I'm trying to make, unsucessfully so far, are that a) Don't assume that because someone has a heavy accent that they don't understand and b) don't assume that since your server speaks English, that the kitchen staff will understand. I live in an area with a lot of restaurants, and I've noticed that many of the line chefs are immigrants from Central America.

Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2005 - 12:22am
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Quote:Originally posted by solarflare:
[b]The points that I'm trying to make, unsucessfully so far, are that a) Don't assume that because someone has a heavy accent that they don't understand and b) don't assume that since your server speaks English, that the kitchen staff will understand. [/b]
I think "accent" is the wrong word to use. I think you need to pay attention to the what & how the waitstaff/kitchen staff is saying things, basically their overall communication ability. "I have spoken to the chef and we don't use peanuts here" would make me feel more confortable, regardless of accent, then "no peanuts here."
The first statement would definately make me more comfortable than the native speaker who told me they use "granola" oil.
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Ellen
Allergic to Shellfish/ Mom to Jesse 9/01 who has PA
Sometimes I just want to say "blah blah blah blah blah."

Posted on: Thu, 03/03/2005 - 1:05am
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Okay, I just wanted to be clear, as I'm sure some other people are feeling as well. I think I said when I was dealing with a person with a heavy accent who very obviously could not understand English well, I was not comfortable having my son eat in the establishment.
This is not a racist statement at all. If I said that I wouldn't go to any establishment simply because the person was an immigrant with a heavy accent, then that is racist (and I think that has been said in this thread actually by one person). What I think, again, I clearly said, was if it was obvious that the person could NOT understand English well.
And, as we discovered in our conversation re Chinese food restaurants, this doesn't simply pertain to Oriental restaurants, but as I pointed out, even Lebanese (Middle Eastern) ones.
Or as others have pointed out, perhaps Mexican establishments where the staff do not speak English and we don't speak Spanish.
As an extension of this, understanding that *most* people in the Province of Quebec are bilingual, but tend to speak French first, I would be hard pressed, since I don't speak French, to feel comfortable traveling through Quebec and eating in any restaurants there unless my sister (who is bi-lingual and lives in Montreal) was with me or unless I had a person I felt was able to speak English well enough to answer my questions sufficiently.
Again, this can be said of ANY language that is not our "native" tongue and I don't think people were saying that as soon as they heard a "heavy accent" they avoided the food. I think they were saying what I said, if there was a heavy accent involved along with a clear NOT understanding of English, then the restaurant was not okay to go into.
Since posting about the Lebanese restaurants I've gone to since my return to Toronto, I've actually taken both children into the one at Jane and Bloor and would have felt quite comfortable letting both children eat there - try getting Jess to eat a falafel though [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img]
But also, DH and I, with both children, went into another Lebanese restaurant right on Yonge Street, and again, I would not have let the children eat there, or Jesse at least.
I am sure this can also happen in Italian, Greek, Polish, etc. restaurants. And I really do think one gets the sense whether another person understands English well enough to understand what you're asking them.
I don't write people off because English is not their first language. But I will write the restaurant off if it is clear that their understanding of English, especially when it comes to questions regarding food and peanuts, is not what I need/want/expect.
Heck, that can be said for regular greasy spoons and English speaking people not truly understanding your questioning.
I just felt the need to come back and post this because I felt as though one member thought we were being racist because we had said "heavy accent", but I am positive, except with regard to one post, that that is not the case. It is a combination of factors which leads us to choose whether or not to eat at an ethnic establishment.
The neighbourhood I live in right now is Eastern European mostly - a lot of Polish, but then a lot of other recent immigrants. Even in walking the dog, it is quite clear to me whether people understand English or not.
Now, it would be great to be able to do a lot of ethnic cuisine at home, IMHO, and this eliminates any risk, KWIM?
California Mom and erik, love your answers and they do give me some hope, but obviously I haven't run out to find a Chinese food restaurant yet! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] I've stuck with chain restaurants so far - Swiss Chalet (oh, yes, Momma Bear just thought of you now [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] ), McDonald's, Harvey's, a greasy spoon down the street from me for fries only for the kids, and several different Lebanese, but so far, for DH and I only, although the children were with us.
Can I tell a story about my falafel obsession?
So, moved out of Toronto six years ago. Lived three years without a falafel in sight. Moved to Belleville and the first night I was there, I found a falafel place. I thought, great! They were really allergy aware (the hummus - pre-made said "may contain"), but honestly, they made the worst falafels on the face of the earth. I mean, not traditional falafels. I enjoyed them, but they weren't the real thing.
Got back to Toronto and could hardly wait to have one, although I think it was a few months before I did. Was going to one area of the city on a regular basis and I would go into McDonald's and get a Big X-tra. Then, I remembered, holy cow, there is one of the best, IMHO, falafel places a few blocks west. What the heck am I doing in McDonald's when I could be having a falafel?
To me, that is my treat, my enjoyment. And I haven't had a lousy one upon my return and I've gone to a few places now. I am most pleased. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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