If you use Maple Syrup, please read this!

Posted on: Sun, 04/13/2003 - 2:54am
Tamie's picture
Joined: 09/23/2002 - 09:00

My dh and I are small maple syrup producers and part of the process of making syrup is to use a defoamer. For those of you that don't know much about it, defoamer is used to keep the syrup from boiling over the pan. People use different things for defoamers, there is a commercial defoamer which is oil, and some people may use milk or butter or even other oils. I just wanted everyone to be aware of this. Thanks, if you have any questions, I'll be glad to try and answer them.

Posted on: Sun, 04/13/2003 - 9:56am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous (not verified)

That would be why certain candy recipes add cold butter/marg at a particular point?
And the obvious question is....what kind of oil is used? Should I be calling the company that makes the syrup I buy? or would it be listed on the label?

Posted on: Mon, 04/14/2003 - 11:55pm
Shawn's picture
Joined: 09/07/1999 - 09:00

We do not buy real maple syrup for this reason. I read about this years ago in The Vegetarian Times (a 1988 issue). They were pointing this out because some small producers use the old fashioned method of hanging bacon over the pot and letting the fat drip in to stop the foaming. BUT, this 1988 article also mentioned that almost any type of fat, INCLUDING PEANUT BUTTER, can be used. What you have to find out is who produced the maple syrup. Since commercial bottlers can buy syrup from a variety of sources, it would, in my opinion, be almost impossible to be sure it was safe, unless you buy directly from a small company that bottles and sells its own syrup, and can verify that the defoamer is something safe.

Posted on: Tue, 04/15/2003 - 12:30am
Tamie's picture
Joined: 09/23/2002 - 09:00

That is true, people can use a lot of different things. Some places buy bulk syrup from a lot of different producers and it possibly mixed together and bottled. We never use milk or cream or butter which is also a common practice for some people. I know that when the sap is boiled down it is very concentrated and if someone is allergic to milk that could get very ill. I don't know where the post is about the little kid that got sick after having pancakes and maple syrup, but it is possible it was the syrup and not the biscuik that they usually use. Also, if you buy a "cheap" version of syrup and it says made with 100% maple syrup, they only have to use a little bit to make that claim, that's where darker grade syrup is sold to, so then again, you never know what is in it.

Posted on: Tue, 04/15/2003 - 12:32am
Tamie's picture
Joined: 09/23/2002 - 09:00

Quote:Originally posted by AnnaMarie:
[b]That would be why certain candy recipes add cold butter/marg at a particular point?
And the obvious question is....what kind of oil is used? Should I be calling the company that makes the syrup I buy? or would it be listed on the label?[/b]
Hi, I think it would be pretty doubtful that a company would even tell you this, they may not even know! If we didn't make it ourselves, I would have never even thought of it.

Posted on: Tue, 04/15/2003 - 5:18am
poppys mummy's picture
Joined: 03/23/2002 - 09:00

Oh this is bad news for me, my parents are on their way to Canada next month and were going to get a big bottle of real maple syrup for us. We always use the imitation stuff here as it is much cheaper. Now it looks like that is out for us. We have got real stuff before with no problems but what you have posted has left me wary. I don't suppose you know of a safe brand? My daughter is peanut,egg and dairy allergic.
Thanks Carol

Posted on: Tue, 04/15/2003 - 5:25am
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Anonymous (not verified)

That last post made me think about something. I live in Canada - but for some reason, vacation was the only time I would buy real maple sugar candy - shaped like maple leafs. They are delicious. Anyway, about 5 or 6 years ago I popped one in my mouth, spit it out, and have never eaten them since. It didn't taste bad - and it didn't cause a reaction. It just felt/tasted weird? I can't explain, and couldn't then either.
Anyway, as for the syrup, since i buy what's cheap it probably is immitation, but thanks for letting me know I need to check. Although, I'm assuming even immitation has some *real* in it.

Posted on: Tue, 04/15/2003 - 7:04am
erik's picture
Joined: 05/15/2001 - 09:00

Peanut butter/peanut oil is quite expensive in Canada so I do not think it would be used in maple syrup production. Canola oil would be a much cheaper alternative.
Of course, anything is possible... but I have had maple syrup all my life with no reactions so I consider it safe for my own use.

Posted on: Tue, 04/15/2003 - 7:46am
darthcleo's picture
Joined: 11/08/2000 - 09:00

I used to help my uncle run a small maple syrup "farm", and I know a few of the places around here that do their own maple syrup. I have never heard of using peanut butter. Animal fat, yes, definitely, so maple syrup is not for pure vegetarian diets.
I buy my maple syrup directly from an organic farm. I can ask them what they use and put all questions to rest for me. If you buy in a store, you lose that possibility.

Posted on: Tue, 04/15/2003 - 11:05am
LaurensMom's picture
Joined: 05/23/2001 - 09:00

I've got an eazy recipe for syrup if you are concerned about buying bottled.
In a pan put a 2 to 1 ratio of sugar and water (double as much sugar as water). Add imitation or real maple flavoring to taste. Cook on medium heat until all sugar is melted. Try not to boil. Can't get closer to the real thing.
If you like a buttery flavored syrup, add butter to taste, but as a side note, it doesn't keep well with the butter in it. Well, it takes OK but the butter cooled again in the syrup makes it look gross. Of course, if you heat it again, it looks fine.
If you like apple pancakes, what we have done is make this recipe but instead of water, use apple juice. Still add the maple flavoring. Mixing the apple and maple may not sound appetizing but it is wonderful!
[This message has been edited by LaurensMom (edited April 15, 2003).]

Posted on: Mon, 06/12/2006 - 3:48am
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Joined: 11/04/2005 - 09:00

Short form of this story: Shady Maple Organics syrup should be safe for the peanut and soy allergic. I emailed them and they tell me that they use safflower oil "to control foaming during the evaporation process."
Maple syrup generally makes my throat sting ever so slightly. I usually buy President's Choice maple syrup (because it is cheaper) but one day I happened to pick up Shady Grove organic maple syrup. It does not make my throat sting!
I made inquiries. The customer service representative at President's Choice told me that they do not add anything to their maple syrup. It would be on their ingredients list otherwise. I explained that a defoamer is added to maple syrup and she checked...still said that nothing is added ): I'm betting that they use soy.
The folks at Shady Groves were quite helpful [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] they just use safflower.


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