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Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 2:35am
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Lana, I have to run and pick up Jessie. I'll come back here tonight. I guess on first read I agree with you, and I don't understand where our differences rest.
If staff are [b]aware [/b]that a policy (or law) is violated, then they are liable. Our school district made the decision that it was too difficult, burdensome, and impracticle for a staff person to "be aware" what foods possed risk due to nuts. Which is why we are very happy with our "food free" classroom.

Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 2:38am
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Cindy,
You didn't veer off at all. I do see how the laws of illegal drugs and age restrictions can come into play, but even then the age restrictions in Florida for guns are 16 for rifles. And we don't have anyone policing the school, thats a big problem, the administrators KNOW who is selling, using and suppling the drugs/alcohol, but they look the other way. Just as the case w/my daughter, they knew she was intoxicated (they thought she was on drugs), my question to the principal was "Is the school so over run w/drug use that you are that complacent about it when you suspect a child is under the influence?" There is no excuse for what happened, because they were AWARE of the student having something that was against their policy, not too mention illegal.
As for pnut products not being harmful to a PA child unless milicious intent was involved...how about the residue that the product unintentionally left, that its self is the danger PF status controls, just as the drug/weapon free status controls the presence of drugs and weapons, if action is properly adhered to (as River was saying) then it can control and limit the incidents.
I may have to edit after i re-read this...Cam wants something to eat and I'm rushing here. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 3:48am
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Is there such a thing as Drug/Gun Free Schools? Here we have Zero Tolerance. What that means is they have, well, zero tolerance for anyone bringing drugs/weapons into schools. Also includes bullying, assault (physical/sexual/verbal).
If caught a student could be reprimanded, suspended, expelled. The school may call parents or police. Depends exactly what happened.
As for peanut free schools - I think schools and school boards are shying away from that term. I spoke to the principal at my son's school and she very plainly stated that calling her school *peanut free* means she is guaranteeing there are no peanut/peanut products in the school. This [b]to some people[/b] could even mean no trace amounts of pn. If the school calls itself pn-free they could be liable if someone brought in pb or even a choc-chip cookie made on a shared line. Even if no staff member saw it.

Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 4:06am
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Lana, How would you propose the school implement your request for a PF cafeteria table and PF classroom?

Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 4:16am
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Quote:Originally posted by AnnaMarie:
[b]Is there such a thing as Drug/Gun Free School?[/b]
Good point to check out this premise/assumption. I hope we all look to see if these statements/claims do, in fact, exist.
I cannot remember our school making such a claim. Anyone? If so, can you post a reference to a school stating "gun free" or "drug free" self-proclamations?
Thanks.

Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 4:33am
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]Lana, How would you propose the school implement your request for a PF cafeteria table and PF classroom?
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Gail,
I find myself asking similiar questions:
[url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/000946.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum7/HTML/000946.html[/url]
Only early afternoon, and I'll bet you're exhausted already. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
MommaBear

Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 4:35am
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Link to "Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994":
[url="http://www.ed.gov/legislation/ESEA/sec14601.html"]http://www.ed.gov/egislation/ESEA/sec14601.html[/url]
or try: [url="http://www.ed.gov/pubs/gunfree/"]www.ed.gov/pubs/gunfree/[/url]
This is not a school claiming gun-free status. It is an act stating that schools are to be in compliance with [b]state laws [/b](re firearms) AND that schools shall report firearm [i]violations [/i]that occur at school.
It uses the "Gun-Free" title, but actually is the "zero tolerance" concept that addresses violations.
Edited to fix link.
[This message has been edited by Gail W (edited May 06, 2003).]

Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 4:36am
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] Good point to check out this premise/assumption. I hope we all look to see if these statements/claims do, in fact, exist.
I cannot remember our school making such a claim. Anyone? If so, can you post a reference to a school stating "gun free" or "drug free" self-proclamations?
Thanks.
[/b]
OMG............just realized I was standing in the middle of the forest again. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
Thank you Gail. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]

Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 5:12am
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Gail, I don't think that are opinions are that different, either.
As to your question "How do I propose that the school imprement the PF room/table?" (may not be exactly your words, but same lines)...the same way they implement policy on these things:
1. No sleeveless shirts
2. No gum
3. No obscene, vulgar logos or advertisement of alcohol or drugs
4. No baggy pants
5. Shorts or skirts must come below your finger tips when arms at at their sides.
6. No confederate flag logos (here at our school and becoming prevelant in many schools nationwide)
These are just a few examples of the minor things that they can "ban", and they are implemented for the safety of our kids or b/c they are a distraction to some.
The gum rule is in almost every class/school for as long as I can remember, why was it implemented? Certainly has no danger involved, but they were tired of replacing carpets and desks that were damaged from inconsiderate gum chewers...so IMO, replacing desks and carpets are more valuable than my childs life? The schools say they can't [b]control[/b] what kids bring in as far as PB and pnut products...How in the world can a school [b]control[/b] gum coming in a class?
Not only will I address how they implement the PF class/room, but how will they handle the rule being broken...that seems to be as big of an issue as the status itself.
I realize that there are laws that affect the gun free status, but they still can't [b]guarantee[/b] (like you stated) the existence of guns, but they are still using the free status. Should we ask for a "zero-tolerence" status for pnuts?
[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by Cam's Mom (edited May 06, 2003).]

Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 5:29am
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so.
HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING:
If the term "Peanut free" was stated below the ingredient label on a package of cookies, and your pa child ate some and had anaphylactic reaction resulting in near death, what would would you do as a parent if it was determined the reaction came from peanut in the cookie?
Disclaimer: this post not intended as advice in any manner or form.

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