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Posted on: Tue, 03/13/2001 - 4:17am
mom2two's picture
Joined: 06/09/2000 - 09:00

From what I could understand from my various contacts with the service reps, by law, at least in the U.S. the manufacturers are only required to list those ingredients which are needed for poison control purposes.
I guess I don't find it unusual, especially considering how hard it is to get any info from manufacturers who actually manufacture products meant for ingestion! EEEK.
I do think though that with all of us calling and spotlighting this issue, perhaps this policy will change in the future.
I was told by one rep. that peanut oil, and other vegetable oils, are found in fragrances as the oils tend to help "hold" the fragrance? or something to that effect. That is why, generally, you wouldn't find these oils in fragrance free products.

Posted on: Tue, 03/13/2001 - 4:19am
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Joined: 12/26/2000 - 09:00

I find it very frustrating, confusing, and aggrivating. For one thing, my problem is not as easily solved as most... aka switching detergents. We have never used Tide, Downy or Bounce. I love all free clear and cheer free. However, other people (especially close friends and family) use the detergent and fabric softners and I need to know if that presents a problem in people holding my child. He cut his first tooth a few days ago and is chewing on everything including clothing. For those that the free options solve their problems I am grateful, but it doesn't do me a bit of good.
Jami-whose child is broken out from head to and afraid it from his current antibiotic

Posted on: Tue, 03/13/2001 - 4:56am
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I have yet to receive a response from Procter & Gamble re Tide and Downey from the e-mail I sent.
However, from this, I knew that I had to check on the actual products that I am using.
I'm not really great when it comes to dealing with people on the telephone, although I suspect I would have my answers a lot sooner.
I use Fleecy Vanilla Scented dryer sheets.
I went to [url="http://www.colgatepalmolive.com"]www.colgatepalmolive.com[/url] and e-mailed them directly from the site asking for a list of ingredients in this product and in particular, anything to do with peanuts or peanut products.
I use Sears detergent. It is clearly labeled that it is made in the U.S. So, I went to [url="http://www.sears.com"]www.sears.com[/url] and also e-mailed them directly from that site asking them for a list of ingredients in this product, and, in particular, anything to do with peanuts or peanut products.
If and when I get a response from any of the three companies noted above, I will be sure to post them.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Tue, 03/13/2001 - 5:06am
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Sorry, I thought I could come in here and post what I posted above and not read what had been going on. Wrong!
First of all, I do think it was good of Procter & Gamble to actually venture onto our board.
Having said that and offering my thanks to them, I would like to say that I completely agree with what Morgansmom had to say.
I read Procter & Gamble's post and was pleased that they had taken the time to visit here and provide "some" information. However, I did find it disturbing that they couldn't be more clear about whether or not peanut products were being used. From what I read, I would gather that we should stay away from ANY/ALL of their products that have a fragrance to them.
Morgansmom said it all really well and there's no need for me to go over it again.
I appreciate the time Procter & Gamble took but was actually not completely satisfied with their response.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Tue, 03/13/2001 - 6:30am
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Joined: 10/15/1999 - 09:00

Just a comment on manufacturing. Having spent most of my professional life in manufacturing support, "it ain't as easy as it looks" sometimes. Other times, all you have to do is get to the right person who "knows all and is expert".
Considering size of P & G and many products they manufacture, it is unlikely this information is readily available to customer reps. They are going to have to track down a manufacturing engineer/chemist type person, who will have to go to his contact rep for the "fragrance" who in turn will have to get to his manufacturing person back at their plant, etc. At least P & G is big enough customer no doubt they can demand accurate and timely info from their vendors. Not to mention they probably use hundreds of "fragrance" compounds in their products. At least this is confined to detergents.
Sometimes, you get questions from customers that can't be answered very easily. I am extremely pleased P & G seems to be taking this seriously and is following up and is responsible enough to post on this board.
If we are worried about fragrance- how about toothpaste, bar soap, deoderant and dishwashing detergent also? What about those odor sticks or plug ins that scent the air?
I'm hoping P & G gives us a good answer on Tide, etc. Meanwhile, I plan to switch to the "Free" line of products. At least these guys are making some effort, and do have an alternative product available. I'm serious.

Posted on: Tue, 03/13/2001 - 6:34am
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Joined: 05/28/2009 - 16:42

While I agree with the above posts regarding the incomplete Proctor & Gamble response, I must also point out that actually having a manufacturer post on our bulletin board is a potentially precedent-setting move.
We can now ask other manufacturers to come to the board, to get the information "straight from the horse's mouth", too. "Proctor & Gamble replied on our bulletin board, may we expect you to do the same. Here is the address, etc., etc.". The only way we know for sure, as a group, what a manufacturer's response is, is when someone posts an email response. I would much prefer the manufacturer to know we are a large group, who want answers to our queries.
Also, Proctor & Gamble could have pulled a "Campbell's Soup", and explained that their fragrance ingredient list is "proprietary information". At least they are looking into it for us, which is more than I can say for the majority of companies.
Let's give them the benefit of the doubt, and not put the cart before the horse. I want manufacturers to know that they can post here; that we will work with them, whether it's to remove/replace peanut containing products, or to have definitive labelling in place to keep us safe.
Things certainly aren't going to change overnight, but I believe the above Proctor & Gamble post broke new ground in our struggle to be heard by large companies. We deserve to be heard, and now we have a manufacturer who agrees. The implications of this thread could be far-reaching for us - let's work WITH them and let them work FOR us.
I'm still impressed with the initial post, because finally someone is treating us, as a group with allergies, with the respect and notice we deserve. Still looking forward to the follow-up, too.
We should expect all manufacturers to show us the same consideration in the future. Thanks again, P & G.

Posted on: Tue, 03/13/2001 - 8:09am
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Joined: 05/28/2009 - 16:42

As promised, we have some information to share with you about our P&G products and peanut derivatives. In addition to all of our fragrance-free laundry products, the following laundry detergents and fabric conditioners contain no peanut-derived ingredients.
Tide (all versions)
Gain (all versions)
Cheer (all versions)
Era (all versions)
Dreft (all versions)
Bounce (all versions)
Ivory (all versions)
Downy Care (all versions)
Downy Wrinkle Releaser (all versions)
Downy Enhancer Invigorating Burst
Of all our Downy versions, only Downy Enhancer Calming Mist contains trace amounts of peanut oil in the fragrance. This oil is present in the fragrance in minute amounts which is then further diluted during the wash so it should not represent any objective safety concern. However, we understand why you want to reduce all risks to your family. We're currently working with our perfume suppliers to eliminate peanut-derived ingredients from Downy Enhancer Calming Mist. We'll keep you updated, but it will be awhile since reformulating a perfume is not a quick process.
Our perfume suppliers could probably explain to you more easily why it's a tough, time-consuming job to identify all fragrance ingredients but I'm going to take a shot at it. Perfume formulas can be made up of 300+ ingredients. Some of these ingredients are compounds of other ingredients so it becomes a very complex trail to follow and decipher. To add to this complexity, each perfume formula is a highly guarded secret of the manufacturer and access is very limited. Considering all this, the speed with which we received this ingredient information is amazing and a testament to the commitment of our scientists and perfume suppliers to you, the users of our products.
I hope this reassures you and helps you make the best decisions about the products you use in your homes.
Procter & Gamble Consumer Relations / Fabric & Home Care Team

Posted on: Tue, 03/13/2001 - 9:10am
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Joined: 05/28/2009 - 16:42

Thanks for the quick response, P & G. I am very pleased to hear that soon the entire line will be peanut-free - thanks for going that extra step to accomodate us.
It's a pleasure to be dealing with an allergy-aware company, which offers an unscented AND safe line of cleaners. You can bet that I will recommend P & G to others on a regular basis. Kudos!

Posted on: Tue, 03/13/2001 - 9:26am
Jodi's picture
Joined: 10/28/2000 - 09:00

Thanks you P & G for addressing this issue! Being a life long scented liquid downy user, I couldn't bare the thought of having to give it up! Now it doesn't look like I have to!! YEAH for P&G!!!

Posted on: Tue, 03/13/2001 - 10:22am
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Joined: 04/29/2000 - 09:00

Thank you Procter & Gamble for the information and your quick attention to this matter.
Cayley's mom just a note to say that I totally agree with your post above. It is great to see manufacturers on the board.


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