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Posted on: Wed, 07/23/2003 - 1:21am
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I absolutely agree with Nancy023. The mother just wants her daughter to basically be able to eat peanut butter for her low blood sugar.
She should be allowed to eat it but definitely somewhere other than the classroom.
I like what ACBaay had said about eating the pb portion of her lunch elsewhere, washing up and returning to class to eat the rest of her lunch. That way she wouldn't be eating her lunch by herself. Great idea.
I also think that what River said about the girl eventually getting tired of it and not wanting to do it anymore is right on the money.
Do you think that the mom is willing to exchange the pb for another food that will give her daughter the same results? Or do you really think that she's just pissed about the PA?
Edited to add these web sites. I thought they might be helpful for you.
[url="http://www.acu-cell.com/dis-hyp.html"]http://www.acu-cell.com/dis-hyp.html[/url]
[url="http://www.gout-treatment.com/blood_sugar_hypoglycemia.html"]http://www.gout-treatment.com/blood_sugar_hypoglycemia.html[/url]
[This message has been edited by e-mom (edited July 23, 2003).]

Posted on: Wed, 07/23/2003 - 1:24am
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in reference to mb's remark: the diabetic child may get tired of having to eat pb in a confined area and decide to eat something else with the other kids. the peanut allergic child may get tired of having pa. but...as you know...nothing will change for the pa child just because he/she doesn't want to deal with it anymore. he/she still HAS to deal with it. that's what makes the two children in this example different. the first one has the option of eating the pb in a controlled environment OR eating something else where ever he/she chooses. the second child in this example has no options. period. that's the whole point.
joey
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Posted on: Wed, 07/23/2003 - 1:34am
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Quote:Originally posted by joeybeth:
[b]in reference to mb's remark: the diabetic child may get tired of having to eat pb in a confined area and decide to eat something else with the other kids. the peanut allergic child may get tired of having pa. but...as you know...nothing will change for the pa child just because he/she doesn't want to deal with it anymore. he/she still HAS to deal with it. that's what makes the two children in this example different. [/b]
With all due respect, as far as I know, there is no cure for diabetes. Yet. But, I understand your point.

Posted on: Wed, 07/23/2003 - 3:05am
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with all due respect....there is a cure for peanut butter...it's called all kinds of other snack/lunch choices. THAT was my point. but i would expect nothing less than you acting like i was suggesting diabetes was less serious than it is. i was making a common sense observation. that's probably why you didn't get it.
joey

Posted on: Wed, 07/23/2003 - 3:09am
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also..i guess you missed the part about how i myself have been diabetic in the past. have you? it is very serious and i would never minimize the risks of such a serious problem that many people struggle with. in my first diabetic pregnancy i consume monstrous amounts of peanut butter (at least 3 or 4 times daily). in my second diabetic pregnancy, when i was already aware that i had a pa child in the home (related to my excessive pb consumption during her gestation? who knows...), i didn't eat one single bit of anything containing peanuts....guess what? i survived.
joey

Posted on: Wed, 07/23/2003 - 3:12am
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sorry guys...and mommabear...i'm in a mood. i guess i'm beginning to really tire of this diabetes debate (not this thread/question..just the bickering in general...i'm beginning to feel like i'm in a diabetes discussion group; which is very confusing.) but hey...i hope no one misses my point...i am very much in favor of helping both groups of children in school and i feel there is a way to do this..no matter how much ridiculous arguing goes on. and...to the original person who asked the question...sorry i've gotten "crabby" here. it was an excellent question and something i'm sure we're all bound to be faced with sooner rather than later...considering that both peanut allergy (and other food allergies) and childhood diabetes are both on the rise. excellent question to pose.
joey

Posted on: Wed, 07/23/2003 - 3:29am
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Joeybeth,
I probably will never begin to be able to say how much your words are appreciated, except by stating I most likely would enjoy lunch with you. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
In my limited understanding, it appeared to me that the point of the study was to examine the relationship between successfully managing diabetes (survival?) and compliance. And in light of this relationship what effect [i]preference[/i] has on compliance, and thus survival. [b]If[/b] I understand the study.
Link including study I reference:
"Interesting link:
[url="http://herkules.oulu.fi/isbn9514256301/html/x209.html"]http://herkules.oulu.fi/isbn9514256301/html/x209.html[/url]
(taken from "Psychological features characterizing oral health behavior, diabetes self-care health status among IDDM patients:
Chapter 3. Review of literature"
scroll down to: "3.3.1. Diabetes self-care practices"
a quote:
"Concerning adherence to the prescribed diet, knowledge is needed, but social demands and personal preferences have been found to be play a major role, and simplification of the diet regimens has been recommended (Lo 1998). The most frequent barriers to dietary adherence are encountered at home, then come barriers at shopping for food and away from home (Glasgow et al. 1997)."
Disclaimer: I do not guarantee the accuracy or content of the link in this post. I am not offering advice in any manner or form."
Sorry to quote anything, but it probably would help persons new to the discussion to know what I am referencing. I hope in some way, I was able to offer something of value up to virginia mom. (But not advice).
MommaBear

Posted on: Wed, 07/23/2003 - 3:46am
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mommabear:
thanks. really. i was being a hotheaded jerk in the reply where i got ugly. i went back and read your post and realized you were not implying what i assumed and that the tone i thought was there, was not. i was overly aggressive in my posts. i think the diabetes debate is getting to me. i really do sympathize with both parties involved in the original question...that's the point i guess i was trying to make. i just think that one party has more options than the other, even though i would agree that the diabetic has a serious medical condition that they live with 24 hrs a day. it's easier for us to avoid our problem (peanuts) and maybe i wasn't clear that i understood that. if i had to compare the two problems, i would definitely have to say (personal opinion) that the diabetes is more problematic and more serious. *however, i still feel like the peanut is not a necessary staple in the diabetic's life (especially in the school environment where it might impact another child's safety).* it's kind of asking like which is worse...cancer or heart disease? sort of. they are both bad. both parties deserve compassion. maybe i wasn't clear that i felt that way. sorry again. anyone that wants to nominate me for rude s.o.b. of the week in off topic may do say. good grief, i almost went ahead and nominated myself after re-reading my posts here. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] i decided not to delete them or change them as i think they are a good example of how frustrating peanut allergy and related issues can be for all of us...and that we're all human. i'm not backing down from my original opinion that peanuts/peanut butter are not necessary for diabetic children in school but i am saying i should have been less abrasive in my replies. my tone was pretty crappy.
joey

Posted on: Wed, 07/23/2003 - 3:50am
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I really really really am happy PA.com is here. And yes, [i]it does feel like family[/i].

Posted on: Wed, 07/23/2003 - 4:23am
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Can someone detail out for me what at 504 plan is and where I could find details on this? My son is 2 and I am starting to look into schools this year. With his PA, I would be more apt to enroll him in a school that has a 504 plan established from what I am gathering here.

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