What do you consider a peanut derivative??

Posted on: Fri, 10/12/2007 - 9:02am
anonymous's picture
Joined: 05/28/2009 - 16:42

So my PA, TNA, and egg allergy son's 504 says that on days his school is serving a peanut product or peanut derivative, his class will be served an alternative. I have asked the principal at the beginning of every month since school started that on days that there are cookies to please check to see if the cookies contain peanuts, tree nuts, traces of peanuts and tree nuts, or manufactured in the same facility as peanuts and tree nuts to please serve an alternative.
Well yesterday she informed me that they (the kids) are washing their hands after lunch (also in the 504) so why should it matter if they are served an alternative. OKAYY! So I stated "it was in his 504 and that was like extra protection besides washing their hands." She said "Well we do not consider a cookie with "traces of" or "manufactured in" a peanut product. I said well I am sorry but it is because my son can not have it. She just looked at my like I was crazy. I further explained to her that my son's pediatrician and allergist have put the fear of GOD in me and that was part of what he had to avoid because of his Peanut, Tree Nut, Walnut and Egg allergy! Still she just wanted to argue and said we needed to have another 504 meeting. So I said fine and right now I am considering taking a lawyer with me so they will not try to gang up on me.
Well do you think I am being neurotic? Do any of you consider it a peanut product or deriative there of if it has traces of peanuts and tree nuts and manufactured in the same facility as peanuts and tree nuts? I am just curious! Or maybe I am as crazy as the principal thinks I am!

Posted on: Sat, 10/13/2007 - 2:50am
BS312's picture
Joined: 09/05/2001 - 09:00

"Do any of you consider it a peanut product or deriative there of if it has traces of peanuts and tree nuts and manufactured in the same facility as peanuts and tree nuts?"
It sounds as if there was some ambiguity in the definitions of terms in your 504. I would not be sure I knew what your understanding of "derivative thereof" meant unless it was better defined. You might want to give specific definitions of terms if you are adjusting your 504.
Is an alternative being served so that your child will not eat the food? If so, I would consider any may-contain type product off-limits. If your child will not be eating the food but the other children will, I think that it would not endanger your child if the other kids ate may-contains and then washed their hands. But everyone's comfort zone is different.
Also, are you trusting the principal to make sure that baked goods are safe for your child to eat, or for other kids to eat but not your child? I would not trust the principal to make sure food is safe for your child to eat, but it is probably okay for the principal to check food for other kids to eat.

Posted on: Sat, 10/13/2007 - 4:10am
Peg541's picture
Joined: 12/29/2002 - 09:00

It seem as if the language is unclear. If it is spelled out in well defined steps like a flow chart then it might be more clear.
Does the school understand that according to research 20% of all "may contains" actually [b]do contain[/b].

Posted on: Sat, 10/13/2007 - 6:58am
anonymous's picture
Joined: 05/28/2009 - 16:42

His 504 states "when peanuts or peanut products are served in the lunchroom his class will be served an alternative." So I guess my question is do any of you consider something that may contain traces or processed in the same facility a peanut product?
No they do not feed my child! I would never trust someone to feed my child, especially not someone who argues with me over a cookie! I just want the other kids served an alternative so that my son will not be exposed by touching something after them.
His 504 does need reworking. When they wrote the 504, it sounded good. But after researching other 504's I know that his needs work! A whole lot!

Posted on: Sat, 10/13/2007 - 8:17am
BS312's picture
Joined: 09/05/2001 - 09:00

I totally support you in not letting anyone else provide food to your child. We've been functioning this way for almost ten years with PA, TNA, dairy and egg-allergic DD and have never had a problem with an accidental ingestion.
We do consider "may contains" peanut products when deciding whether DD should eat an item. But in her peanut-free school, other kids can eat may-contains. I've never thought this posed enough of a risk to her to make an issue of it. In K and first grade we were sticklers about having the other kids wash their hands after eating, but after that we just let it go. So DD is routinely touching things after kids who have eaten may-contains (and dairy and egg-containing foods) have touched them (library books, keyboards, desks, etc.). DD has never had a contact reaction at her school.
Just our experience...best of luck to you!

Posted on: Sun, 10/14/2007 - 5:29am
Peg541's picture
Joined: 12/29/2002 - 09:00

I can see where the school might think this is over the top. But it's a tough call being on this side of the situation.
As long as your child knows to not eat anything other than what you supply him I would say it should be OK for others to eat may contains or processed ins in the presence of your child.
Is it in a cafeteria? Or classroom. Looks like lunchroom so you could say your child's immediate environment (classroom) remains uncontaminated.
MAYBE just for politics sake you allow this. Our comfort zone is pretty tight but may contains? I'd say this would be OK.
Good luck and keep us informed.

Posted on: Sun, 10/14/2007 - 5:45am
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Joined: 05/28/2009 - 16:42

My child does know what he can and can not eat. He only eats what I send for him. The other kids wash their hands before and after lunch, but not after snack in the classroom.
He has had contact reaction before from a peanut butter sandwich last year in kindergarten. He got sick from being in the same room with everyone eating Reese's peanut butter cup last year. He also had to sit out the lunchroom by himself last year ALOT because there was not a peanut free table. There is one now, but every time there is something on the menu that is questionable, they have trouble finding someone to sit with him.
I guess maybe I should talk to the allergist too and see what she thinks.

Posted on: Sun, 10/14/2007 - 11:51am
Peg541's picture
Joined: 12/29/2002 - 09:00

As long as he knows to eat only what you send him and it sounds like that's the way you have handled it. Sounds good to me.
I don't think your original post said this was to be eaten in the classroom.
I would check with the allergist because you are going to get so many different opinions about this. But maybe prepare yourself for the allergist backing the school up on this one. So be sure what she is going to say before you ask her to send any communications to the school. She may inadvertently undo any work you have already done.
My son also reacted to Reeses in the air and that was in High School in an empty classroom where there had been Reeses the period before.
For me it kind of feels like picking your battles. Does a may contain actually contain enough to give a contact reaction? But
they are eating this in the classroom then I say they need to wash their hands.
I think I said this before but it has been shown that 20% of all may contains actually do contain. This might be a good tidbit to present to your school.
Good luck

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