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Posted on: Wed, 10/16/2002 - 10:54am
smack's picture
Joined: 11/14/2001 - 09:00

I don't come to this section often being that my son is in a peanut/nut-free school that I appreciate. So, I can't relate to a lot of issues(although I feel for what your all going through).
Anyway, I have attended all the trips with my kids because I am a SAHM with no kids other then the twins so every situation, every family, makes their own decisions and none are right and none are wrong.
The school plan did state that you are to attend the field trips with your child so there is no fight about this particular trip.
On the other hand now would be a good time to try and change that. I do believe EVERY child deserves to go whatever accomodations that have to be made, they should make it. If I knew a child was being ostracized, I would hold my kids back from going to, THEN RAISE SOME %$#@!
Cindy doesn't take offense to anyone who disagree's with her, ever. She just is passionate about what she believes). Nothing wrong with that---sounds a little like your reply's.
You really sound like a teacher reprimanding a bad student when you said "How well do you get along with your child's teachers? I would not take that attitude with them if I were you."
Ahh, that's right you did say you are a teacher, well then wait a little while and hold back your judgement until the final mark!

Posted on: Thu, 10/17/2002 - 1:54am
sport's picture
Joined: 10/01/2002 - 09:00

I want to make a point in saying that the school my children attend would never ask them not to go on a field trip. They try to accomodate us in every way possible. Instead of attacking the schools, maybe we should try and help them instead. I just feel more comfortable going on field trips, but I now realize that not everyone's school rules are the same. I live in a relatively small town where everybody knows everybody. Cindy, I do owe you an apology for coming across so boldly. I do take offense when people attack schools because I am a teacher. I try to treat the children in my room just like I would want mine treated. However, I am sorry for the cross roads. Please forgive!!!

Posted on: Thu, 10/17/2002 - 12:03pm
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MommaBear, I'll re-raise the Ontario School Plan for you. I posted it after I had it initiated for Jesse. However, I do credit PeanutTrace and would never let anyone think that I had done the work myself. She totally did it all. Wonderful woman, I miss her posting often [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
The other night, I also did go in and re-raise several different 504 Plans that I thought might be of help to you.
smack, teacher's plan says "parent designated supervisor" and in fact, the supervisor can be the teacher or in her case especially, the E.A. who is an R.N. teacher just has to make that really clear to the school administration. That's what others have done (not just me, Lord forbid).
sport, not to worry. I think sometimes fingers typing on a keyboard things come out very differently than if we were on the phone. No big deal. Thank-you for the apology though, helped to lift spirits. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Sat, 10/19/2002 - 3:15am
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Joined: 05/28/2009 - 16:42

Ditto on that point, Sport.
I really support public education having taught for several years. I took this thread from the angle that if the teacher asked the child to stay home, he/she knows the situation pretty well and would be worried about adequate supervision for a PA child. One of the kids in my son's class has ADD and is really, shall we say, active to the extreme. He alone takes up a lot of time and attention. Add that to my PA son, and the remaining 23 kids I know nothing about.
I would definitely be worried out of my mind for his safety if he went on a trip and I couldn't attend.

Posted on: Sat, 10/19/2002 - 10:32am
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I think I'm really beginning to understand the difficulties people are having with this thread. First of all, it's a "comfort zone" thing, which none of us have the right to question of another PA parent. Some PA parents are comfortable letting their children go on field trips without them and some aren't. And comfort zones do change within PA parents. So, that's one thing that is difficult to comprehend. If you're of the type that would never allow your child to attend without you, you may find it extremely difficult to comprehend how another parent could.
Another thing is PA as politics. Our *rights* and how strongly each of us feel about our children's rights within the school system. As I've posted, in Ontario, PA children have the *right* to go on all field trips whether or not their PA parent goes with them or not. If the school suggests otherwise, the PA child's *rights* have been violated. For me, this is the thing that works hardest for me when I'm posting about someone else's difficulties at school with their PA child - what their child's *rights* are and how they are being affected. But then again, that's only *me*. I am correct about what I post, but it may be only me that gets upset in the extreme when I see a child's rights being violated.
The other thing that is troublesome or difficult is relationships with schools/school personnel and how they are maintained in this day and age. I think most of us are probably more visible than the average parent at our child's school only because the administration and teacher has had to become familiar with our child because of PA. The thing would be - how much can we give, how much are we willing to give, how much do we have to go, etc.?
I know that in all of my years of public school, my Mother, a SAHM (who wasn't nearly 40 years ago [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img] ) went on ONE school trip with me. Nowadays, where those of us posting who are SAHM's are considered *fortunate* to be so, I find it even more difficult to figure out how the balance between a set of parents who are both working outside of the home have to deal with the school more and more. How does everyone do it and to what degree?
I understand that because of severe financial and support cut-backs, teachers need all of the help that they can get from parent volunteers, etc. I also know that they are quite prevalent in the schools that my children have attended. It almost seems like the thing to do if you're a SAHM - volunteer at the school (my advice would be to go to college, get your E.A. diploma and earn some cash for the same thing, but anyway....).
It's just a really really difficult balancing act that all of us are playing. I know that many parents posting on this board are single parents, working outside of the home, not able to attend field trips, or dual income families whereby it would also be difficult for a parent to attend.
I am a SAHM but does that mean that I have to *want* to go on all of the field trips? Why can't I be a SAHM like my own Mother, except my son has PA?
What I do do, aside from go on all the field trips for both my PA son and now non-PA daughter is really work behind the scenes with the school administration to help educate re PA and then this year, I was offered the breakfast program co-ordinator position. But again, I have to admit, for me, personally, it is difficult.
I think that's what has been difficult for different people posting in this thread. If anyone else is like me at all, we feel as though we do give a lot to the school just trying to get our child in attendance at said school so that anything we do on top of that is really extra. It's not like we're *normal* Moms who can just drop our kids off and disappear for the day. We're waiting for *that* phone call or we're working on something at home to help the school re PA (or something else - i.e., Parent Council - not me [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img] ), or we're calling a manufacturer to find out if the latest food is "safe" or not. The list goes on.
I completely understand where the teachers are coming from that posted in this thread (even teacher herself), about wanting/needing the help and that's why you've made certain decisions about the safety of your PA child, but again, I think it's coming down to a comfort zone thing and then extending into a politic thing, both politic re the PA and politic re how much you feel parents should have to be involved with the school.
This was very long-winded, hope it made some sense, but I was just trying to clarify the thread in my head, especially when I saw it in Daily Topics again.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Sat, 10/19/2002 - 3:10pm
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Joined: 09/21/2002 - 09:00

Can I point something out? Cindy, you said
"(my advice would be to go to college, get your E.A. diploma and earn some cash for the same thing, but anyway....)."
I can't resist. I have to say this. Yes, parent helpers do a LOT of work. Schools can't run without them. I don't know where you live though, but I do FAR more as an EA then a Mom coming into my classroom, and it's not being paid for the same thing. Sometimes people think that EAs are just people who couldn't make it into teaching, but I think we have it harder then the teachers. I've had to learn specialized medical skills (tube feeding, toiletting, seizure management, intensive first aid, all sorts of stuff), sign language, physiotherapy, occupational therapy, how to modify and adapt ALL curriculum (grade K-12)for my specific student, speech therapy, strategies for kids with learning disabilities, behavior management programs, etc. We often are thrown in with a student and expected to "teach" them, with no preparation time, training about their specific needs, etc. We are expected to work anywhere in the district, in any classroom, with any age or grade. I could be thrown into an Algebra 12 class and be expected to learn it (so I can then help my student with it). I could go into power mechanics classes, woodworking, french, or a special needs kindergarten. With the cutbacks, teachers are relying on us more then ever, and more special needs kids then ever are being put in the same classrooms.
So although I think parent helpers are important, I don't think it's really fair to say that being an EA is just helping out in the classroom. Maybe some places it is...but certainly not here in BC. (by the way no offense taken, I just had to point that out-I'm an EA by career choice and I am very proud of my job)

Posted on: Sun, 10/20/2002 - 12:07am
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Joined: 10/05/2002 - 09:00

girls we all are trying to do the right thing for our kids i only hope i dont have to keep l v home from school because of a field trip LV starts speach clkass soon and child find is helping to asset you in the PA area.we all have a right to our opion not to metion sticking up for our kids after all if we dont who will? Synthia mother of twins and a 6 yo

Posted on: Mon, 10/21/2002 - 1:56pm
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Karen H., I apologize. I made an extremely ignorant comparison. It was simple ignorance.
Can I re-phrase? If one is able to be a volunteer Mom in the classroom consistently, why not get the education to go ON to become an E.A. and actually earn a living?
It's interesting that I should read this thread again tonight because we had a young man in our home tonight (one of DH's fellow students) and his Mother is an E.A. I asked when she had gone back to school to get her education for it, etc. and then he explained about the difficulties involved in her career. They are certainly not the same as the ones involved with Mom volunteering in the classroom.
I apologize. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Tue, 10/22/2002 - 11:00am
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Joined: 09/21/2002 - 09:00

Oh Cindy, there was NO offense taken at all, and no need to apologize even. I know that some people, even teachers in the system, don't really know what we do. I just couldn't resist telling you about my job. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]Actually, I'm studying to become a full fledged sign language interpreter, so it will take me into a different area altogether. I do love working with kids I would highly reccommend that anyone who really enjoys volunteering in the classroom to pursue it, by all means! You would certainly know what you are getting into. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Again, don't worry about it!
[This message has been edited by KarenH (edited October 22, 2002).]

Posted on: Tue, 10/22/2002 - 11:59am
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Anonymous (not verified)

Karen, thank-you. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I'm actually what I think of as the Field Trip Mom from He** although no one would know that except for me, so I won't be going for my E.A. education at any point in this life. I absolutely HATE (I know, this sounds terrible [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img] ) volunteering in the classroom, be it in Jesse's or Ember's.
I did go in when the kids were having their pictures taken. I wanted to make sure that Ember's came out okay with her hair combed and her glasses straight. Well, I ended up helping get the forms filled out for the photographer and helping other wee ones as well. I guess I'm not *that* bad, but I just don't really want to be there. Does that make sense?
I do do what I do (which is actually very little) and no one would know that I don't like doing it (last year Ember's teacher thought I should be leading the trip through the conservation area because we were bird watching and I knew all the different birds and also different plant life), but to be quite honest, I would just as soon be at home.
Karen, I was glad that you explained what work an E.A. does, especially when a lot of us do have E.A.'s in our children's classrooms and some of us for our PA children (I don't for Jesse but I know other PA parents that do have an E.A. assigned to their PA child).
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]


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