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Posted on: Sat, 10/12/2002 - 9:16am
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Joined: 10/01/2002 - 09:00

Cindy--I disagree with you as well, but you do what you feel is best for your child and I'll do what I think is best for mine. I would not feel comfortable sending mine without someone going with a car. I have never been told not to bring my younger child (of course he is very well behaved), and I always carry my own vehicle. I can see that you don't like anybody not to agree with everything you say. How well do you get along with your child's teachers? I would not take that attitude with them if I were you. Also, I live next door to the school superientendent and have a good relationship with him as well. They are always eager for anyone to go on school trips that can help. I don't really care if you agree with me or not, you seem to nit pick everything to death so this will just give you something else to gripe about.

Posted on: Sat, 10/12/2002 - 10:31am
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Joined: 05/28/2009 - 16:42

I was just asked to keep Ryan home for his first field trip (the woods behind the school for a nature presentation by our local Environmental center). I found out about the exact date only four days prior to the field trip. My mother, however, was able to babysit for my youngest in a pinch so I could go. Personally, I was relieved that the teacher cared enough to recommend he stay home. He has 25 kids in his class and there is just no way he would get proper attention. I always worry about peanut shells carried around by squirrels too. He would need me right on top of the situation to recognize early symptoms of a reaction. With so many kids, I would be very worried a reaction might not be recognized until it was too late, when the epipen may not reverse/alleviate his symptoms.
He was almost ready to experience his first major disappointment since the field trip was hyped up the day before of the big "trip." But I have told him repeatedly that this is life--sometimes he may not be able to go because of safety issues. Luckily he was able to go on his first one.

Posted on: Sun, 10/13/2002 - 12:12am
MommaBear's picture
Joined: 09/23/2002 - 09:00

Cindy, Sport, Teacher.
I have to get ready for church and will respond more fully later but.........
PA here in the states is considered a "hidden disability".
Therefore, it must be responded to in the same manner other "disabilities" are responded to in. It helps us determine "reasonableness".
Students in wheelchairs and with traches are "accomodated" to in much more time consuming manners. (for lack of a better example). PA carries with it its own unique risks. These risks cannot be thought of as any less a need because they are not always "visable". Cindy: You are right, the child is entitled to any and all opportunities offered to non-disabled children. Teacher and Sport: I can see your points as well, but what is right is right. How we choose to deal (or not deal) with these issues are as unique as we are.
Currently this week, we are developing a 504 plan. I will comment later on it, for reasons i have mentioned before (when it is done). I will say however, that if peanuts/nuts were not in the school......................hundreds of reasonable concessions would not be necessary. So, again, we must look at "reasonable" in a new light.
Now everyone hug. I hate to see you guys argue.

Posted on: Sun, 10/13/2002 - 1:27am
Sandra Y's picture
Joined: 08/22/2000 - 09:00

If it's a public school, they must accommodate the child with the disability. If a parent doesn't want their child to attend without a parent that's fine, keep him home. But if the parent wants the child to attend, the school must accommodate.
Our IEP says the principal will designate someone to care for the child on field trips, and that the principal may designate the parents. It doesn't say he MUST do so.
The field trip is part of the child's education, and he's entitled to go. If the parent can't go, and wants the kid to attend, the principal must find someone qualified to assist the child for the day. That might involve hiring a nurse for the day or hiring a medic or someone qualified to recognize symptoms and treat the child in an emergency.
It doesn't matter whether any one of us would or would not want our own child to go--what matters is that this parent wanted the child to go and the child is entitled to go. Hiring a trained person once in a while for field trips is not a huge burden on the school. Some disabled kids have a fulltime aide every day. PA kids only need one once in a while. Our school must routinely hire special wheelchair equipped buses for field trips because one of our students is in a wheelchair. Once the bus company sent a regular bus and the wheelchair couldn't get on it. So we all stayed at school and the field trip was cancelled. We certainly were not going to go on a field trip and leave one child behind!

Posted on: Sun, 10/13/2002 - 2:56am
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teacher, I'll simply contact you off-the-board re anything further I have to say. I am so taken aback it is unreal. I do know that I have posted in Off Topic about the difficulties I have with Ember (Jesse's younger sibling) but I would have to say that had I been allowed (and that's the operative) word to bring Ember with me, she would have been well behaved, as she is extremely well behaved at school (I felt the need to stick up for my daughter for some reason). Also, as most everyone here knows, I don't have a car, so no, I wouldn't be providing myself with my own transportation for myself and my younger child or my child that was going on the field trip. I didn't really think that that was an issue.
sport, I'm sorry that you feel I nit pick and also that you feel I don't like anyone to disagree with me. I believe 10,000+ posts and my contribution to this website off-the-board would stand to correct you. However, that's not really what I wanted to do. I don't understand, aside from you being a teacher, why you would get so heated with what is my opinion, and what I'm giving teacher as Canadian (or specifically Ontario) rules re the rights of her child in school.
I can't apologize for what I have to come to know (and it has been a long journey) about the rights of PA children in school.
If you look at my posts from when Jesse first started school, I allowed the school to not let him participate in a particular outside activity that he had really wanted to participate in and I had to choose another, more expensive and not what he wanted, activity. I now know, through research and also from the other members here at PA.com that what the school did was wrong, that Jesse did have the *right* to attend the original class and that I shouldn't have been told the night before that he couldn't attend. I'm sorry I have that knowledge and choose to pass it on to other people.
Again, teacher, I will contact you off-the-board. As most people know, I'm having a really really hard time right now and I certainly don't need to get slayed where I come for comfort. Usually I'm able to take it and come back immediately but right now, I really can't.
sport, I hope you're able to provide teacher with the information she needs to know, both legally and professionally (remembering that she's a teacher also) so that this doesn't happen to her child again. Perhaps you could read a copy of her child's school plan and see if there is anything problematic in there, particularly for teachers.
Thanks guys, I'll see you all again when I finally re-group.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Sun, 10/13/2002 - 4:07am
KarenH's picture
Joined: 09/21/2002 - 09:00

Wow. Your children are lucky to have parents that are so willing to fight for them.
I agree that all children in a public school system should be allowed to participate in a field trip, and that the school should accomodate them. If a child is deaf, they have an interpreter. If they are in a wheelchair, they have an aide. If they are mentally handicapped, again, they have an aide. You all raised an important issue though. PA is invisible. So are learning disabilities. And to be honest, I believe that these days invisible disabilities recieve much less attention. However, as an educational assistant, I have to point some things out. If there were a peanut allergic child in the class room that I currently work in, I myself would be unable to properly supervise that child on a field trip along with the children I already work with. It would be completely impossible, and I would be very uncomfortable with it. With the government cutbacks in BC, we are already completely stretched to the absolute limits. And I seriously doubt that the school board would hire someone to only come on field trips occasionally.
Yes, every child has the right to go on a field trip, and I think excluding them from one is crazy. I am not saying that the school was right in doing so, but I am pointing out why it could have been a problem. I would be more inclinded to fight the issue that if I can't take my younger child, and the school won't provide someone, THEN my child is being discriminated against. I have to be honest though-here, where I live, expecting a teacher or aide to look after the kids they already do and then also a PA child who could DIE is a huge amount of responsibility. A behavior problem child can take up attention, but they don't have the risk of dying. I would more likely equate PA to a child who has life threatening seizures. That child should then have their own adult with them, period.
However, maybe this whole experience can be learned from. Now you know that something needs to be worked out so that a designated adult can attend, be it you, DH, aunts, uncles, friends, grandparents, whoever. I would make it very clear to the school that you expect your child to attend ALL field trips, and you expect the school to accomodate you. (even if it means allowing your younger child to go). Sometimes though, the school is doing the best they can with the resources they have-and you need to go above their heads and demand stuff.

Posted on: Sun, 10/13/2002 - 4:17am
cathlina's picture
Joined: 06/29/2001 - 09:00

Not letting him attend a field trip was an absolute violation of Section 504 and the American Disabilities Act.
When we were fighting the lack of awareness of ADDHD at my stepson's middle school, I found out that another ADDHD student was not allowed to go on an elementary field trip simply because he was hard to supervise.
After collecting this information and others, I called a 504 specialist at the state's Department of Education. He told me that the school can not keep a handicapped/disabled student from attending a field trip. It is not the parent's responsibility to accompany the student. It is the school's responsibility to hire an aide etc. one-on-one if necessary to accompany the student on a field trip. The state intervened.
I raised a lot of hell in the 90's over 504 discrimination at this school district over treatment of students with ADDHD and mental illinesses. As a result, the school district changed its anti-discrimination policy.
It was not all in vain because the school district is one of a handful in my state that has a "peanut free" school now.
If you don't stand up for your child, nothing will change.

Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2002 - 2:29pm
KarenH's picture
Joined: 09/21/2002 - 09:00

Actually, I had a brainstorm that may help keep everyone happy in your situation, teacher. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Here's the deal-schools can request to have an extra aide (here we're called Educational Assistants) called in, but it has to be approved by Student Services. He may not need a one to one aide because the school environment can be controlled. Field trips pose problems because the environment is not so easily controlled, and how would they handle worst case senario? I wouldn't be able to leave my students, and the teacher wouldn't be able to leave the class...so, who would go with your son to the hospital? Here's my idea-get the board to approve to have a substitute aide sent to the school on the day for a field trip, in the event that you cannot go. Have an Aide that actually works in the school already trained for the first aid needed for your son, and the protoccol that would be followed if a worst case senario occurred. The aide that regularily works at the school would accompany your son (and ONLY your son) on the field trip, while the sub would stay at the school for them. This person could carry meds, a cell phone, etc. If it's written into the plan that this would only happen should you not be able to attend, then he can still go, he's watched properly, the school doesn't have to hire someone, and it's not every time there is a field trip. This is not an unreasonable request. I would expect this for my own child, if he was severely PA.
Good luck [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Wed, 10/16/2002 - 8:45am
California Mom's picture
Joined: 07/14/2000 - 09:00

I came into this late, but want to add my .02 anyway. I would be very upset if my daughter were to be excluded from a field trip. Fields trips are clearly meant to be a part of the children's curriculum. A child with special needs should not be excluded. If a parent decides not to send his or her child on a field trip - that is another story. I think the school needs to do whatever they have to do to feel safe bringing all the children on a field trip. A field trip inherently has a lot more risks than spending the day in the classroom. This needs to be taken into consideration when the teacher/school administration is planning field trips. I quite honestly feel that if it isn't considered safe for everyone in the class - then the whole class should stay behind rather than exclude one child for any reason.
Also, I have not been allowed to bring my younger child on any field trips other than "walking" field trips where I could push him in the stroller. This has nothing to do with his behavior, as he is a perfect angel, of course! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] This is the school rule for all families.
Sport, I take issue with the way you attacked Cindy. You appear to be new on the board and may not realize how open minded Cindy is. She contributes so much time and energy to this board and to the cause of educating and uniting people regarding pa. She doesn't deserve to be jumped on, even if you disagree with her.
[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Miriam

Posted on: Wed, 10/16/2002 - 10:12am
MommaBear's picture
Joined: 09/23/2002 - 09:00

Would Peanut Trace be willing to post the Ontairo plan again?? I am interested.


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