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Posted on: Fri, 10/20/2006 - 2:37am
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Quote:Originally posted by saknjmom:
[b]It is interesting what you said about the syringe. The more I was playing around with this twinject, the more I wondered if the little yellow clip was reliable enough to stay put when giving the first injection. I guess it is a stopper so two equal doses are used.
I didn't think about the fact that if the twinject didn't work for some reason, it can be disassembled and used just as a syringe.
Good point. [/b]
well - that's what I hope/think you can do. I haven't tried to unscrew the grey cap if the autoinjector didn't work to shoot out the first needle...can't do that with a trainer!
so - I would assume you can still unscrew the cap to get at the syringe. Maybe I'll write and ask them.
Adrienne
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Posted on: Fri, 10/20/2006 - 8:26am
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Quote:Originally posted by ajgauthier:
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well - that's what I hope/think you can do. I haven't tried to unscrew the grey cap if the autoinjector didn't work to shoot out the first needle...can't do that with a trainer!
so - I would assume you can still unscrew the cap to get at the syringe. Maybe I'll write and ask them.
Adrienne
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ok - just called and the woman didn't know (got put through to a medical pharmacist). So she is going to research and then call me back. Pretty much, they can figure it out if they try it with a pen...just try to unscrew the grey cap if the first shot doesn't fire...and be careful doing do...but I didn't want to waste my pen to find out.
So -- I'll post again when I find out.
Adrienne
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Posted on: Fri, 10/20/2006 - 9:15am
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ok - got the info...
If the auto-injector DOES NOT FIRE (even after repeated tries), then you CANNOT take the grey cap off. The pen needs to fire in order to get at the syringe. It's a safety lock on the syringe part...if you could unscrew it normally, huge safety issue.
Darn. Understandable, but darn.
Adrienne

Posted on: Tue, 12/05/2006 - 7:38am
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Posted on: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 2:57am
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That sounds like a pain in the neck. And reading instructions when a kid is possibly wheezing and unable to breathe seems difficult... training should come before ever using one. Epipen has an instruction on it too, doesn't it? (We still have our new ones in the protective greenish case and need to take them out to look them over).
Can you ask him to please keep you on the epipens because those you've trained feel most comfortable with those?
If he really resists I'd consider going to my pediatrician or family doctor and asking for the other as a prescription.
Amy

Posted on: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 3:04am
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My school nurse showed me the trainer after she went to a presentation. While showing it to me, even she got confused. This is nothing that I am interested in.
I would make it clear to him that you are not willing to re-train and take the chance of confusion in a life threatening situation. If he still refuses, I would just say "I'm sorry, then we will have to go to a different doctor." This is something you need to be comfortable with, and he should be flexible based on that.

Posted on: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 3:06am
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just a quick note --- many schools (nurses/teachers etc) are not allowing the Twinject b/c of the syringe second dose, or, won't give the second dose. There was discussion of this on another thread.
Honestly for myself --- I'll carry a Twinject and a regular epi as my "3 doses that go everywhere" and save the syringe til last. I mean geez...if I am alone there is no way that I'd be able to give the syringe if I'm still reacting and having trouble (and shaking hands from the first dose!)
Adrienne
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Posted on: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 3:24am
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I think that if I really resisted, he might give in, he is a wonderful doctor. I think that he really believes this is a better alternative because he was so matter o fact and so here, start learning it, this is what you'll be using.
I usually roll with the punches and accept change in life. BUT, with this, I don't want a change. I just want my normal epi pens in my normal case, with one step...remove grey cap, swing and jab.
Not, pull off the red cap, pull of the green cap, take the whole thing apart and get ready to manually inject a second shot.
I think that once i tried it a couple of times, I could get the hang of it. The thing that worries me is that there are more steps to this than the epi pen. The epi pen is very clear cut....would be difficult to screw it up. (i have heard of people thinking the needle was at the end with grey cap), but it is much more simplistic and easy to demonstrate to people who care for my son.
I know that the school uses the faan form for epi pen, there are new forms for school on the site that have directions for twin ject.

Posted on: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 3:44am
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I got the Twinject trainer and the training DVD a few months ago and I thought it was really hard to use. I think in an emergency things need to be as simple as possible, both for you and the teachers. After practicing with a regular epi trainer, I`m sure I would know how to use it six months later in an emergency. A Twinject, six months from now I won`t remember how to use it.

Posted on: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 3:51am
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I'm sticking with the epi because that's what our insurance will pay for. If/when the insurance decides to cover only the twinject I will switch to it.
If both were covered, I would carry the twinject myself, but I would have the epi-pen at school.
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My son's school will use either the twinject or the epi-pen -- but only the first shot of the twinject. They still want a second auto-injector in the office in case the student forgets to bring it one day. (I can't imagine them needing to give a second shot because the ambulance should be there by then, but if a second shot is required they would only give an auto-injector, not the second shot of twinject.)

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