Tide, Bounce, Downy... - Peanut Allergy Information

Tide, Bounce, Downy...

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My pa son was experiencing a runny nose and itchy legs (he insists on sleeping in shorts year round!) in the morning. I contacted Procter and Gamble and was shocked to discover that they use peanut oil in the fragrance of their products. The customer service rep. confirmed at minimum, Bounce, Tide (with fragrance) ,Downy and Downy Enhancer contained peanut oil. When I asked her to provide me with a list of products which contained peanut. oil, she said "what other product of ours do you use?" I now only use detergent that is free of fragrance any dyes. Does anyone have a favorite? Oh, as a final note, they sent me an apology letter with a coupon for Downy Enhancer...a peanut oil containing product!!

On Mar 9, 2001

Very interesting... I had no idea peanut oil was used in fragrance!! When my son was eight months old he was covered from head to toe with excema. One of the many changes I made at the time was switching to fragrance and dye free detergent. I have been using it for the entire family ever since. My favorite is ALL!

On Mar 10, 2001

I'm shocked!! A company our family has worked for for years!! I love how Tide cleans your clothes, I think they are superior to other products, but we also had to change after I married my husband because he broke out into hives from the Tide. I always thought it was because of the enzymes in the Tide, it was very common for employees to be tested for enzyme sensitivity yearly at Procter and Gamble and if you became allergic you were transferred to another department.

After we had Morgan, we found we had problems with Downey and Bounce but never knew why? hhhmm She would break out in rashes and her eczema would get real bad. We now use Sunlight (which I hate, it doesn't get clothes all that clean), and Fleecy Original fabric softener. Maybe I should try the ALL as suggested above!

Thanks for the info!!

On Mar 10, 2001

That really is shocking! Is it written on the product anywhere that is contains peanut oil or is it just listed as fragrances? I also use All Free and Clear and have for years. My oldest son used to get rashes from other detergents.

On Mar 10, 2001

Thank you for this information. I had no idea. Andy

On Mar 10, 2001

Incredible!!!

Would this count as an exposure? We've used Bounce every wash day since we've been married!!!!!! Our son's eczema was terrible from the first week home. It's gotten better, but never gone away (he's 4 now). Guess we'll be finding something else!!!

I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT!!!!!

On Mar 10, 2001

This is just insane, why would you put peanut oil in a detergent. I wonder what else it is in that just lists fragrance? Just another thing I can be paranoid about.

On Mar 10, 2001

Thanks for the heads up!

I'm going to mention this thread in the "Alert" forum so more will see it.

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On Mar 10, 2001

Wow! I just can't believe this. Who the heck would've figured?!?!?!?! I've been using Tide (liquid and powder) mountain fresh scent for about 2 years. I use Bounce fabric softener sheets also. When Joe was a few weeks old, he had little bumps all over his body. The pediatrician recommended using that special baby detergent-Dreft I think it was called. But that got too expensive and time consuming. Well this is just a kick-in-the-pants, I really don't have the resources to be buying special laundry detergent. I'm looking forward to reading about what other people use.

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On Mar 10, 2001

I agree - it does sound insane! The only reason I can come up with, is that nut oils in particular (almond, peanut) are excellent "carrier" oils to distribute fragrance evenly.

Nut oils are often recommended for use in conjunction with concentrated "essences" - 10 drops of concentrated rose oil combined with 1/4 cup of almond oil is supposed to be an effective moisturizer.

It must be included as a "distributor" for the concentrated fragrance. Now they need to explore other options for oils!

On Mar 10, 2001

I use Arm & Hammer detergent and I use Cling Free dryer sheets (when on sale or I have a coupon!) or our local Stop&Shop supermarket dryer sheets. So far, we've had no problems. I do so much laundry that I found the A&H detergent was more of a value than any other detergent!

Hope this helps!

On Mar 10, 2001

We have used fragrance free detergent for years, and never used fabric softener until recently. I tried some Downy stuff, but both my kids got really itchy from it (can't imagine why!), so I stopped. BTW, when my kids were little their eczema was so bad I had to buy a washing machine so I could put everything through an extra rinse cycle. I just stopped doing that about 2 years ago.

Amy

On Mar 10, 2001

I am actually sitting here crying so much I am going to go crazy!!!! I have been using TIDE forever and my son always had those little bumps all over his body. It makes his skin feel very rough but it has never looked like excema. About a month or so ago I started using the Bounce fabric sheets and he has been itching like crazy!!!!!!! He takes his clothes off and scratches his body all over. I assumed that it was from a new 'allergy' but have been having trouble figuring out what food it could be. Now I am almost 100% sure that it is due to this. Thanks sooooo much...I am going to call the allergist tomorrow and let them know. I am so shocked and so upset. It really makes me sick.

On Mar 10, 2001

Thank you to all for your comments. I have a 3 year old with peanut allergy. We have noticed the itching and rashes but never tied it to a particular item. I believe what you all have shared has answered another question for me and my family.

God Bless!

------------------ Thank you, Nut Free and plan to be!

On Mar 10, 2001

I have just recently noticed that every time my 2 1/2 year old gets out of the bath and I am drying her off with her towel, that within 3-5 minutes she starts to get hives on her (in various places-a few on her tummy, neck, legs, etc). We thought it could have been her bubbles or soap, but I have studied the labels and have not found any nut oils in them. I have been baffled...UNTIL NOW! We use Tide-but I just started using a Fragrence variety. AND I just started using dryer sheets. This discovery of Peanut Oil must be the reason she has been getting hives.

Gosh..I feel so bad for her that she has had to go through this after EVERY bath. I could just scream. What are the idiots at Proctor and Gamble thinking??????

Thanks for the heads up. You have solved my mystery around the house. Maybe I can make bathtime a little safer when I go out tomorrow and buy NEW detergent! THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

On Mar 10, 2001

Protect My Boy, welcome! I am one extremely angry woman right now. I did find arachide's post first under Alerts and Recalls so I posted there.

However, I think this is pure insanity. I consider Tide to be the best laundry detergent but I have actually been using Sears brand because it comes in a 192 load box at a relatively good price. I use Fleecy Vanilla Scented fabric sheets but know now that I'm going to have to check on them if Bounce uses peanut oil to distribute the scent. Fortunately, I don't use Downey but I always love the smell of people who do use it in their laundry.

I'm extremely p-o-ed. From what I've read, there are SEVERAL reactions that may have been caused by these items. Are they labeled? NO!

Is this something FAAN would even be aware of? Should everyone whose child or themselves have had a reaction contact FAAN and include it as a reaction to cosmetics/toiletries? From my cosmetic reactions thread and the response I got from FAAN I do know that they do want to hear about reactions to things.

My head is going to explode! I am just so angry. When I read something like this, and I am VERY thankful that you posted it, I think I've probably gone insane or else the rest of the world has. I just can't believe it. It's idiotic!

[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Mar 10, 2001

How else can I say this: [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img]

Of all the stupid, idiotic, thoughtless, insane.... This just really ruined my day. How could they put peanut oil in laundry detergent?! What were they thinking? Obviously they WEREN'T thinking. Or they had their heads up their giant corporate a$$.

I use Tide all the time. It is the best detergent on the market that I've found that keeps clothes (especially whites) from getting that grey, pastey look to them. Fortunately, I have been using Dreft on Patricia's clothes and double rinsing. Also double rinsing the bedsheets (those are washed in Tide).

I just bought another huge bottle of Tide. So I am going to return it first thing Monday and get the All that a lot of you have mentioned.

Well, I'm going to go vent some steam offline before I start typing something too profane. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

Amy

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On Mar 11, 2001

So, are we all going to be calling the manufacturers of our detergents tomorrow morning?!?!? I will be. We use Wisk - always have.

Am I right in assuming, then, that only the Bounce with fragrance is a problem? That the unscented would be okay?? I'll call them tomorrow, just to be sure.

On Mar 11, 2001

I found a webpage for feedback to Proctor & Gamble. You can select one of a number of items to comment on, including Tide and Downy. Interestingly, in a complete breakdown of their ingredients (go to the P & G homepage and type "ingredients" into the search engine on the left side of the page), peanut oil or any oil is not mentioned.

Here is the address for comments: [url="http://app07.recipio.com/pg_com/product_feedback_new.html"]http://app07.recipio.com/pg_com/product_feedback_new.html[/url]

Lam, I use Wisk also - Tide does work well, but some clothing (esp. jean) manufacturers do not recommend it because it works TOO well, breaking down the clothing fibres and causing the item to prematurely "age". I'm interested in hearing about Wisk - not that I've ever had trouble with any laundry products - just lucky, I guess.

On Mar 11, 2001

Just did a bit more research - peanut oil is used in soap as an emulisfier - it creates a long-lasting lather. Nut oils are common ingredients in soaps - why didn't we think of laundry soap sooner?!

On Mar 11, 2001

Mom to Cayley, in reading that peanut oil is used as an emulsifier, it would make sense that we should have thought of laundry soap before. However, I just think that we are overwhelmed enough with grocery shopping (and the whole long list of "may contains" "made ins") and now the cosmetics "thing" that this is just something we couldn't possibly have fathomed. I'm still reeling and extremely angry.

I know exactly what you are saying. Perhaps we should go through our homes and see what products we are bringing into them (for housecleaning, etc.) and make sure that they are safe. It does seem really overwhelming.

From Rilira's 504 Plan for her daughter Rachel, I did learn one thing, and yes, I should probably have questioned ANY soap (including laundry) at that time. I had to e-mail Jesse's principal to make sure that the soft soap in the dispenser at the school was "safe".

This just seems neverending, but at least when we all put our heads together we get the information we need (thank-you Mom to Cayley for the website link you provided) and start to question things that any normal person, PA parent or not, would not have thought to think about.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Mar 11, 2001

Count me as another parent whose PA child has always had bumpy, dry, irritated skin. Of course I use both Tide AND Bounce. Or I guess I should say that I DID use them... unbelievable... headed to the P&G site right now to add my comments.

Miriam

On Mar 11, 2001

I have been frantic over this since I read this yesterday morning. I have been calling everyone who we see on a regular basis to see what detergent, softner, etc that they use. I had checked detergents a while back but didn't ask for anything else. (At that point, his ped thought he was reacting to someone's detergent because sometimes he would break out anywhere clothes or diaper weren't.) After that I started putting one of his blankets between him and whoever was holding him. That however gets to be cumbersome and hard to explain and sometimes too hot for Stephen. Before handing off my child off it was bad enough trying to find out what they had eaten and if they had washed their hands etc, now to ask what detergent do they use?? YEAH RIGHT!! I guess I will go back to the "DO NOT TOUCH MY CHILD" attitude I had before. It's so hard though as everyone wants to hold or in the least touch the baby. Guess, I will go back to letting people think I am overly paranoid. As they are not the ones who are up all night trying to soothe a screaming, crying, itching seven month old who is broken out from head to toe and itches so much he makes himself bleed. Jami

On Mar 11, 2001

Hi Everyone,

Thanks so much for posting this news, Arachide! I happen to use all three products for my husbands and my clothes, but not for our 3 year old pa son who's got eczema as well. One thing I've noticed though was when my husband or I would hold our son, and (for example) his face was resting on our shoulder, his face would get red (not like an eczema breakout). We thought it was due to body heat. Now I'm thinking differently. I havent' switched to a stronger laundry detergent for my son - we still use Dreft because of the eczema. But I've just noticed that Dreft is also made by P&G. Many years ago, I heard that Tide POWDER had peanut shells (but that was 15-20 years ago). Now I'm wondering about the Dreft because it is a powder. I've also been guilty of using a couple drops of Downey (a big eczema no-no) in my sons laundry (followed by a second final rinse cycle) to break the winter static. And, although I don't use dryer sheets in my sons clothes, I do use Bounce for ours ... I'm sure there's probably some residue left in the dryer. I'm absolutely furious that P&G hasn't put any kind of statement on their packaging. Are they legally immune for some reason? Does anyone know? I'll be looking forward to seeing what other people are using, but I think it's wise for all of us to check with the manufacturers before doing the next load. If Tide uses peanut, there's a good chance that others will too. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

On Mar 12, 2001

Thanks for the useful (and surprising) information. I usually buy other brands, and without fragrance or dyes because I have had hives from the Tide (and so has my mother). The brands I buy, however, do not clean as well, and just last week I was looking longingly at the Tide in the store because it was on sale and it cleans so much better. But I didn't buy it, and certainly will not buy any Tide again. We do not use dryer sheets anyway--they have always seemed one more way for the manufacturers to get consumers to spend more money.

This goes back to what I feel is the biggest problem--accurate labelling. Who knows what is in other products with "fragrances"? For us, almond oil would be just as dangerous. I think that sharing information like this, contacting manufacturers/restaurants and working on truth in labelling is the most valuable thing this site does. Thanks.

On Mar 12, 2001

Beth38 - credit goes to ProtectMyBoy for spilling the beans on P&G. I merely posted about it in the Alerts forum so more would see this shocking piece of info.

I remember seeing tv ads for fragrance-free detergents several years ago, but nothing recently. Anyone know of existing brands that would suit the fragrance-free bill - both American and/or Canadian? Where can these be purchased? Drugstores? Grocery stores? Of course they must cost more than the regular detergents... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

On Mar 12, 2001

Arachide,

I am in the US, but I always use ALL free and clear, it has been mentioned on this thread before, but I thought I would mention where I buy it, pretty much any where, the super market, wal-mart, target, But I usually buy it at Costco, I get the huge liquid in the dispenser that sits on a shelf usually for about 11.00 (which is actually less than others like tide). The smallest bottle that I get at wal-mart or the market is usually 3.00 or 4.00 which is also less than tide I believe.

On Mar 12, 2001

Hi- well, I called first thing today and spoke with a Tracy Sparks. She was very helpful and said she would be very willing to check any product for me. They keep a list of products that people have asked about regarding certain allergens. This way, info can be immediately told to us. She said that when she checked Tide, no one had called about it and it wasn't on the list, so she is calling me back (may take a few days) after she speaks with research. She did say that Gain was asked about and it DOES NOT contain any peanut product. I also asked about Cascade Dishwashing detergent and it again DOES NOT contain any pa products. When asked about Downey and Bounce, the list said there is a derivative of what could be a peanut product. They are not sure, but to be safe, they ask us to avoid using them. She then gave me their address and said that they would be happy to go through my list of products to determine if they were safe. When I went to their website, I made note of all their products I use. The address to write is : Proctor and Gamble Consumer Relations P. O. Box 599 Cincinatti Ohio 45201

Tracy said to get a list together and send it in. Of course I told her about labeling and to reiterate my concerns about there being no warning. She will pass this on. When I write, I will make sure to let them know everything about PA/labeling/FAAN. I always check/call about every product. I know that I called Tide 3 yrs ago, and was told that there wasn't any peanut product in it. My daughter has ezcema and I didn't want to use Tide on her because it was too harsh. I use ALL free and clear and have had no problems. I just started using Tide's free and clear- but will hold off for now. Well, hopefully, if we all get together on this, we can get them to start labeling properly. Tracy said they listen to all complaints and take them seriously! I will mail my letter today, and will update when I get a response. Kelly

On Mar 12, 2001

I will definately not be using any of these products again but I am curious if this only applies to the liquid or the powder or both. I was laying in bed last night thinking about this when that thought popped into my mind.

On Mar 12, 2001

I to have been trying to find out the reasons behind the mystery itches and came in here last night to find out it may be what I am using to wash with. I just recently moved and tide was on sale we hadn't used it before as my husband said he was allgeric to it but all was fine but AXel was itching if he sweated. I too called P&G this morning the only detergent the woman said that didn't list that it had no peanut was GAIN and that bounce and Downy as long as it was no fragrances or dyes were ok. Anything with fragrances or dyes has this thing that might be peanut she said. They have nothing on tide and are checking. I was the 5th call she had gotten and I warned her to be prepared for all of us to be calling. She also said the more people call the more the product development people will be doing. I also brought up the labeling issue and she said she would forward it on.christyn

On Mar 12, 2001

I buy All Free and Clear too..in bulk at BJ's. Are we sure it doesn't contain peanut oil? I just sent Unilever an e-mail.

Off the subject of peanut oil but I should mention here that my friend just became an EMT and warned me how dangerous detergent is if a toddler swallows it. I looked around my laundry room and there stacked up on the floor was my detergent - right a toddler height. I now keep it up high out of toddler reach and the extras up high in the basement.

OH!...another additional comment...all of the OshKosh labels endorse Tide. I think we should start in on Osh-Kosh that they not endorse a product that contains peanut oil!

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On Mar 12, 2001

I also called P&G first thing this morning.

I was told Bounce and Downey contained what was considered a peanut derivative. They were unsure about the fragrance free and were to look it up.

I asked about Tide, and they said no peanut oils/derivatives, same with Ivory Snow.

On Mar 12, 2001

I called the number on the Bounce box this morning. I was told, yes, Bounce with fragrance has peanut oil in it. I asked about Bounce Free - she said it did not show peanut oil where she looked it up.

I also called Wisk. I got a really unhelpful person - the same person twice, actually! I called twice to try and get better info. Anyway, I was told there was no peanut or nut oil of any kind in Wisk liquid detergent.

I told the people I spoke with about the website, and that probably a lot of us would be calling!!

On Mar 12, 2001

I had "fun" making my calls this morning. First I contacted the 800# on the side of my Tide box (consumer relations - Toronto). I was assured by a too-perky rep that P&G would "never" have a potential allergen in a product without indicating it on the label (!!!).

I then contacted the P&G office here in Montreal. I was given the 800# for consumer relations - Canada. These caught off guard people gave me the 800# for consumer relations in the US (1-800-332-7787) because they said there is no product development division in Canada.

The startled US consumer relations rep I spoke to was unable to answer my question, stating that "perfume" was an ingredient on her list but nothing specific. She took down my phone number and promised to call me back in a day or two with an answer (I'm not holding my breath...)

ProtectMyBoy - could you post the number you contacted where you were given the info re: peanut oil?

On Mar 12, 2001

I just called P&G and was told Downey DOES possibly contain a peanut oil derivative in the fragrance portion. UNBELIEVABLE!!! No wonder all of our kids always suffer from various unexplained rashes!! I am writing FAN a letter today to send out a warning! Also calling my daughters pediatric allergist who works at Mt. Sinai to warn his patients as well. I was told they would send me a coupon for Downey free that didn't have the peanut oil. No thanks! No I have to check on Wisk Free. UGH!!!

On Mar 12, 2001

OK, now I realize just how unobservant I am. I thought I'd been using Wisk for the past few years... about a year ago, Costco stopped carrying Wisk and started carrying Tide, which my husband started to buy. Same big red jug - I only noticed this morning it was Tide when I went to check for ingredients (hubby says he told me last year... whatever...I'm sleep-deprived...).

Guess I'll never be called in as a police witness, anyway... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/redface.gif[/img]

So, I'm getting the impression that Tide is OK - both liquid AND powder? It's just Downy we need to be concerned about (I DO use Downy - I checked - HA!)? Is it the liquid as well as the dryer sheets ('cause I only use the liquid)?

Thanks to everyone who made calls and has posted info regarding them! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Mar 12, 2001

I called Tide this afternoon and talked to Judy. She looked up the info for Tide and could not find peanuts listed as any ingredient. I told her that someone had been told that it contained peanut oil. And she said that because we had conflicting info, she would do some more checking and personally get back to me. Meanwhile, she said that she uses Tide free because her daughter has very sensitive skin. She said she would send me a coupon so I could try Tide Free.

Then I called Dreft. I talked to Lauren. She said that there was no listing of peanuts for Dreft. I mentioned that peanut oil is sometimes used for fragrance bases. She said that it is hard to track that info because the fragrance bases are made by various different companies. But she said that she would check for me. Meanwhile, she said that the only product listed as being definitely peanut-free was Gain.

Amy

On Mar 12, 2001

Wow! There has been a lot of work done on this since the last time I visited. I actually feel guilty [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/redface.gif[/img] ! All I have to contribute, which is very little, is that I checked both my laundry detergent (Sears) last night and the Fleecy dryer sheets. Of course, there are NO ingredients listed anywhere. I do have to contact Sears to find out about the detergent and I also have to contact Colgate Palmolive re the Fleecy sheets.

I am still SO upset about this because Tide is the best detergent and you know what? I'm fairly sure that it was on sale last Fall that was when Jesse's back broke out in the ezcema. I'm really p-o-ed. Also, my Mother, whose clothes always smell so lovely (I love the smell of my Mom! LOL!) uses Downey. If I tell this poor nearly 72 year old woman about the Downey, I'm not sure what will happen. Actually, her clothes never really come into contact with the kids - she's not a hands-on Grandma, so maybe I just won't say anything.

I believe it was in Rilira's 504 Plan for Rachel, the 26 point plan under Schools, where she has mentioned that you should check what your school uses to clean with. Because of this, I did e-mail Jesse's principal and received information about ALL of the cleaning products used in the school.

Now thinking about it (similar to how the school had 2 Epi-pens and I only had one), perhaps I should have been also thinking about the cleaners I use at home. Oh my soul, who is going to break this news to Connie? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

I actually didn't receive a response to my e-mail to P & G yet. I still would have liked to have seen their faces.

I'll e-mail about my two items later and see what answer I get and post it in here.

It would also be great, once we've all done our research if we could come in and organize and somehow come up with a list of what's safe and not safe - a very clear list. What do you think?

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Mar 12, 2001

Anyone know about palmolive or Ivory dish soap?

On Mar 12, 2001

Gosh, I didn't even think about dish soap. My head is spinning. I called about Ivory bar soaps a few months back and was told they are safe. If memory serves me correctly, they list ingredients on their web site. That's not to say they might still say "fragrance" in general.

In my e-mail to Lever Brother, I asked them to let me know what soap products contain peanut/tree nut oil. I'll let you guys know what they say.

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On Mar 12, 2001

When I first read this post I was shocked and I guess at first "disbelieving" if you will. This is so unbelievable, it almost sounds like an "urban legend". Well, given the "lax" labelling laws we have here in Canada I don't suppose we should be all that surprised.

I've sent an e-mail to Proctor & Gamble as well with specific questions as to the ingredients in their products. No word yet...I think we're all keeping them pretty busy with our requests for information. What I was thinking was perhaps whatever it is they are using re: peanut component may not be a problematic. From what I can understand about peanut oil (if that's what they are using), it's only the unrefined peanut oil which poses a problem for PA individuals, refined peanut oil (largely what is used in North America) has the offending protein removed. That said, I know that our allergist said that although refined peanut oil would not pose a potential problem, we should avoid it to prevent a possible reaction in the event that it is not refined properly.

I guess then that peanut oil would be a problem no matter what kind of peanut oil or by-product they use. So I've answered my own question there.

Would they be so ignorant as to use something this dangerous, a known allergen, in their products. I though that the Canadian legislation specifically said that if peanuts or their by-products are an ingredient then they have to be listed as such on the product packaging. Does this legislation only apply to food? Anyone who has visited the Canadian Food Inspection Agency's web site knows that it's not all that easy to find specific information. But I will spend some time there searching after I get my "three little darlings" to bed tonight.

I've used Tide and Bounce and Ivory Snow and, this far anyway, Wade has not had any problems with it.

I hope we're wrong about all this, but based on what many others have said on this as well as posted replys re: conversations with Proctor and Gamble, I have a sinking feeling that we're not. Maybe Wade has not reacted to the products because he's not "touch" sensitive and the children who have reacted are.

I hope they're forthcoming with some concrete answers soon. (can't you just hear the phones ringing to their lawyers now...)

Regards,

Katiee (Wade's mom)

On Mar 12, 2001

We're sorry to intrude on your message board, but some of your members have contacted us about your discussion. We understand the concerns you have about the use of peanut-derived products in laundry products; some of our family members have allergies to nuts, too.

We believe some people may have misinterpreted the information our phone representatives shared, or taken it out of context. We know you wouldn't want to spread false information to others, so we're here to share what we know -- straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

We value the safety of the people who use our products above everything else and we want you to feel secure when using our brands. The only ingredient in our laundry products that could contain a material derived from nuts would be fragrance. We'd hate for anyone to attribute a rash or other reaction to a fragrance when the cause could be something else altogether. Your allergist is in the best position to help you determine the cause of an allergic reaction.

Having said that, we're working actively with our toxicologists and the teams that developed our Tide, Bounce, Downy and other laundry products to get accurate information to you about the fragrances in our products and how they might or might not have an effect on people with peanut allergies.

Until then, we hope it reassures you to know we market several fragrance-free products. These "free" products do not contain peanut oil or nut-derived ingredients.

Tide Free - liquid and powder Cheer Free - liquid and powder Ultra Downy Free - liquid Bounce Free - sheets

We promise to keep in touch and update you as soon as we get the accurate information you requested.

Thanks for your patience,

------------------ Procter & Gamble Consumer Relations / Fabric & Home Care Team

On Mar 12, 2001

THANK YOU Proctor & Gamble and many kudos to your company.

I am unbelievably impressed! If all manufacturers were as concerned and involved as your company, we wouldn't have any worries.

Did I mention how impressed I am?! Looking forward to the follow up.

On Mar 12, 2001

I also must say thanks to Procter & Gamble. I am still upset but am relieved that they took our comments seriously.

On Mar 12, 2001

Boy . . . I'm off the boards for a couple of days and look what I come back to! Wow! I have literally been using Tide and Downey fabric softener since my pa son was born--almost 4 years now. He is extremely sensitive to touch (peanuts), but I have to say he has never had any problems with his skin. There is only one time he had an unexplained "rash" and we traced that back to a shampoo that had almond oil in it.

Now my younger son who does not have pa that we know of, does have sensitive skin--mainly his cheeks. I switched to the dye & perfume free Tide for his clothes and beddings and his "red cheeks" have gotten much better.

That's great that P & G took the time to come in here and post. I guess I won't have to make any calls or send any emails, huh? I'm looking forward to hearing what they have to say.

On Mar 12, 2001

Thank you proctor and Gamble - I have a VERY large extended family and we all use tide. Everyone has purchased a small box of ALL free laundry detergent (allergist's suggestion) until we find out about your companies use of peanut products.

Thank You for taking the time to look into this issue.

Sue in Sunny Arizona

On Mar 12, 2001

All I can say is WOW! Kudos to Proctor & Gamble for their obvious understanding regarding the seriousness of this issue.

It' refreshing to see a company take this issue to heart and try to put us at ease.

Regards,

Katiee (Wade's mom)

On Mar 12, 2001

WOW! I to am very impressed. the person I spoke to today at P&G had asked where I found this information and I told her at peanutallergy.com and she said they had gotten many phone calls and that maybe they should go to the web site and post their answers but I really didn't think they would. I am very impressed and agree that its to bad more companies aren't this considerate. christyn

On Mar 12, 2001

How uplifting it is to find a Corporation who understands our problems. Thank you Proctor & Gamble.

On Mar 12, 2001

Now if only some of our questionable food companies would do the same.... thanks for listening P&G.

On Mar 12, 2001

WOW!!! very impressive Procter & Gamble, your quick reply & willingness to check into this matter is greatly appreciated, you've kept my family and extended family as customer's.

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On Mar 12, 2001

To P and G: THANK YOU FOR YOUR PROMPT RESPONSE!

To PA.com members: It looks like the squeaky wheel gets the grease! P and G really was impressed by the number of PA.com inquiries.

On Mar 12, 2001

Okay, so now we all stop what we're doing and send an email to Proctor & Gamble to thank them for being responsible, forthright and concerned. I cannot believe they actually came to our board and posted - incredible!

Let's all thank them for doing a great job!

On Mar 12, 2001

Wow! I would have never thought of peanut oil in laundry detergent. This may explain an incidence we had last week.

Emily suddenly started fighting me when changing her clothes (screaming like her clothes hurt her). The next day she had small red dots all over her back and tummy. I figured it was related to something she ate until my mother asked if I had switched laundry detergents.

I had used dye/fragrance free Tide, as always, but had added Downey to the last load which I don't normally do. It was fragrance/dye free Downey, so I didn't think it would irritate her skin, plus I always put her clothes through a second rinse.

Maybe it was a coincidence since it wasn't Downey with fragrance, but I re-washed all of Emily's clothes without the Downey and she's fine now.

On Mar 12, 2001

I just recently switched from years of using ERA to Gentle Breeze Gain liquid detergent and Gentle Breeze Bounce sheets. Two nights ago my son had red bumps all over both knees and down the front of his legs. He complained they hurt and itched. I put Benadryl cream on his legs and it took the itch away.

THANK YOU PROCTOR & GAMBLE for coming in here and posting! Please keep us informed once you receive the reports!

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On Mar 12, 2001

Thank you Proctor and Gamble for your response. I think the fact that you responded on this message board is the sign of a socially responsible corporation that responds to its customers. Good for you. Andy

On Mar 13, 2001

Procter & Gamble:

I sure hope you also read the posts that are in this link!

My family has worked for Procter and Gamble for years and I am proud to see that you take consumer concerns seriously!

I just also wanted to respond to some parts of your email. The people on this board have all been to certified allergist, we know we are allergic to peanuts, some of us are allergic to more! ..but all of us are VERY aware of our allergies!

Our children are getting rashes from your products, you state that we should not be so quick to jump to the peanut derivative in the fragrance. ...to us the peanuts would be the obvious answer!

While I am impressed that you have a resourceful toxicologist to turn to for answers, I would suggest you also turn to our population, "the peanut allergic" who have been using your product for answers - straight from the horses mouth so to speak! It is only when we pull all our resources together that we can truly see the whole picture of what is happening here. Don't forget us in the equation!

Please understand, many of us can NOT come into contact with peanuts without rashing, wheezing, swelling, ...dying!!! There are some on this board who can not stand the smell of peanuts without some type of reaction.

We want you to know, we don't want ANY small amounts of peanuts or their derivatives in our laundry detergents and fabric softeners. ...and should you remain using them we NEED to know they are there, with better labelling, cautions on the bottles, or at least through boards like this one, so that we can avoid them like the plague.

Our lives are at stake, nothing less! Please help us by being a manufacture leader who provides better labelling, choosing to use other products (not peanuts) and eliminating hidden peanuts in cleaning supplies.

Do not be sorry for intruding on our message board, you are welcome always!

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On Mar 13, 2001

Morgansmom-

I want to thank you also for summarizing so well what has been bothering me since I read their post. I appreciate their concern but as you simply stated "We must know if they continue to use it in the product." My brain has been rolling trying to think of what it was that I needed to say to them in response to their post but I think you did it perfectly.

On Mar 13, 2001

Well said MorgansMom, I too have been trying to decide how to respond. While, I appreciate P&G taking our concerns seriously, I will wait to be very impressed until they remove peanut oil from their fragrances.

If they do not, I will no longer buy P&G products as I could no longer trust their labeling. I hope they are quick to respond with the results of their inquiry.

On Mar 13, 2001

I want to add that not only was the customer service rep I spoke with at Proctor and Gamble very helpful and caring, but so were the service reps I spoke with at Lever Brothers (Wisk) and Colgate-Palmolive (Palmolive Dish Soap). I was told no peanut products in Wisk Free by the way but they need to get back to me about the Palmolive Dish Soap as they could only find that it contains "fragrance" and they would have to do further research to get a complete breakdown. And for whoever asked, I was told that the liquid Downey with fragrance DID contain a possible peanut oil derivative. We don't use the sheets so I didn't ask about them.

On Mar 13, 2001

Does anyone else find it a little disconcerting that the company itself doesn't "know" what's in their "fragrance" and has to check and get back to us?

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On Mar 13, 2001

Arachide, From what I could understand from my various contacts with the service reps, by law, at least in the U.S. the manufacturers are only required to list those ingredients which are needed for poison control purposes. I guess I don't find it unusual, especially considering how hard it is to get any info from manufacturers who actually manufacture products meant for ingestion! EEEK. I do think though that with all of us calling and spotlighting this issue, perhaps this policy will change in the future. I was told by one rep. that peanut oil, and other vegetable oils, are found in fragrances as the oils tend to help "hold" the fragrance? or something to that effect. That is why, generally, you wouldn't find these oils in fragrance free products.

On Mar 13, 2001

I find it very frustrating, confusing, and aggrivating. For one thing, my problem is not as easily solved as most... aka switching detergents. We have never used Tide, Downy or Bounce. I love all free clear and cheer free. However, other people (especially close friends and family) use the detergent and fabric softners and I need to know if that presents a problem in people holding my child. He cut his first tooth a few days ago and is chewing on everything including clothing. For those that the free options solve their problems I am grateful, but it doesn't do me a bit of good. Jami-whose child is broken out from head to and afraid it from his current antibiotic

On Mar 13, 2001

I have yet to receive a response from Procter & Gamble re Tide and Downey from the e-mail I sent.

However, from this, I knew that I had to check on the actual products that I am using. I'm not really great when it comes to dealing with people on the telephone, although I suspect I would have my answers a lot sooner.

I use Fleecy Vanilla Scented dryer sheets. I went to [url="http://www.colgatepalmolive.com"]www.colgatepalmolive.com[/url] and e-mailed them directly from the site asking for a list of ingredients in this product and in particular, anything to do with peanuts or peanut products.

I use Sears detergent. It is clearly labeled that it is made in the U.S. So, I went to [url="http://www.sears.com"]www.sears.com[/url] and also e-mailed them directly from that site asking them for a list of ingredients in this product, and, in particular, anything to do with peanuts or peanut products.

If and when I get a response from any of the three companies noted above, I will be sure to post them.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Mar 13, 2001

Sorry, I thought I could come in here and post what I posted above and not read what had been going on. Wrong!

First of all, I do think it was good of Procter & Gamble to actually venture onto our board.

Having said that and offering my thanks to them, I would like to say that I completely agree with what Morgansmom had to say.

I read Procter & Gamble's post and was pleased that they had taken the time to visit here and provide "some" information. However, I did find it disturbing that they couldn't be more clear about whether or not peanut products were being used. From what I read, I would gather that we should stay away from ANY/ALL of their products that have a fragrance to them.

Morgansmom said it all really well and there's no need for me to go over it again. I appreciate the time Procter & Gamble took but was actually not completely satisfied with their response.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Mar 13, 2001

Just a comment on manufacturing. Having spent most of my professional life in manufacturing support, "it ain't as easy as it looks" sometimes. Other times, all you have to do is get to the right person who "knows all and is expert".

Considering size of P & G and many products they manufacture, it is unlikely this information is readily available to customer reps. They are going to have to track down a manufacturing engineer/chemist type person, who will have to go to his contact rep for the "fragrance" who in turn will have to get to his manufacturing person back at their plant, etc. At least P & G is big enough customer no doubt they can demand accurate and timely info from their vendors. Not to mention they probably use hundreds of "fragrance" compounds in their products. At least this is confined to detergents.

Sometimes, you get questions from customers that can't be answered very easily. I am extremely pleased P & G seems to be taking this seriously and is following up and is responsible enough to post on this board.

If we are worried about fragrance- how about toothpaste, bar soap, deoderant and dishwashing detergent also? What about those odor sticks or plug ins that scent the air?

I'm hoping P & G gives us a good answer on Tide, etc. Meanwhile, I plan to switch to the "Free" line of products. At least these guys are making some effort, and do have an alternative product available. I'm serious.

On Mar 13, 2001

While I agree with the above posts regarding the incomplete Proctor & Gamble response, I must also point out that actually having a manufacturer post on our bulletin board is a potentially precedent-setting move.

We can now ask other manufacturers to come to the board, to get the information "straight from the horse's mouth", too. "Proctor & Gamble replied on our bulletin board, may we expect you to do the same. Here is the address, etc., etc.". The only way we know for sure, as a group, what a manufacturer's response is, is when someone posts an email response. I would much prefer the manufacturer to know we are a large group, who want answers to our queries.

Also, Proctor & Gamble could have pulled a "Campbell's Soup", and explained that their fragrance ingredient list is "proprietary information". At least they are looking into it for us, which is more than I can say for the majority of companies.

Let's give them the benefit of the doubt, and not put the cart before the horse. I want manufacturers to know that they can post here; that we will work with them, whether it's to remove/replace peanut containing products, or to have definitive labelling in place to keep us safe.

Things certainly aren't going to change overnight, but I believe the above Proctor & Gamble post broke new ground in our struggle to be heard by large companies. We deserve to be heard, and now we have a manufacturer who agrees. The implications of this thread could be far-reaching for us - let's work WITH them and let them work FOR us.

I'm still impressed with the initial post, because finally someone is treating us, as a group with allergies, with the respect and notice we deserve. Still looking forward to the follow-up, too.

We should expect all manufacturers to show us the same consideration in the future. Thanks again, P & G.

On Mar 13, 2001

As promised, we have some information to share with you about our P&G products and peanut derivatives. In addition to all of our fragrance-free laundry products, the following laundry detergents and fabric conditioners contain no peanut-derived ingredients.

Tide (all versions) Gain (all versions) Cheer (all versions) Era (all versions) Dreft (all versions) Bounce (all versions) Ivory (all versions) Downy Care (all versions) Downy Wrinkle Releaser (all versions) Downy Enhancer Invigorating Burst

Of all our Downy versions, only Downy Enhancer Calming Mist contains trace amounts of peanut oil in the fragrance. This oil is present in the fragrance in minute amounts which is then further diluted during the wash so it should not represent any objective safety concern. However, we understand why you want to reduce all risks to your family. We're currently working with our perfume suppliers to eliminate peanut-derived ingredients from Downy Enhancer Calming Mist. We'll keep you updated, but it will be awhile since reformulating a perfume is not a quick process.

Our perfume suppliers could probably explain to you more easily why it's a tough, time-consuming job to identify all fragrance ingredients but I'm going to take a shot at it. Perfume formulas can be made up of 300+ ingredients. Some of these ingredients are compounds of other ingredients so it becomes a very complex trail to follow and decipher. To add to this complexity, each perfume formula is a highly guarded secret of the manufacturer and access is very limited. Considering all this, the speed with which we received this ingredient information is amazing and a testament to the commitment of our scientists and perfume suppliers to you, the users of our products.

I hope this reassures you and helps you make the best decisions about the products you use in your homes.

Procter & Gamble Consumer Relations / Fabric & Home Care Team

On Mar 13, 2001

Thanks for the quick response, P & G. I am very pleased to hear that soon the entire line will be peanut-free - thanks for going that extra step to accomodate us.

It's a pleasure to be dealing with an allergy-aware company, which offers an unscented AND safe line of cleaners. You can bet that I will recommend P & G to others on a regular basis. Kudos!

On Mar 13, 2001

Thanks you P & G for addressing this issue! Being a life long scented liquid downy user, I couldn't bare the thought of having to give it up! Now it doesn't look like I have to!! YEAH for P&G!!!

On Mar 13, 2001

Thank you Procter & Gamble for the information and your quick attention to this matter.

Cayley's mom just a note to say that I totally agree with your post above. It is great to see manufacturers on the board.

On Mar 13, 2001

Procter & Gamble, thank-you! I really appreciate how quickly you got this information on the board. Wow!

Many thanks and best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Mar 13, 2001

I want to thank P&G and also all of the members on this board who quickly contacted them either by phone call or email. I wish we could do this with more companies!

I am glad to see that they do not use any peanut derivative in their products but I am still wondering what has caused so many of our children to have problems with their products. I am still switching to another detergent to see if it helps with his 'bumps' and itching. If it doesn't seem to improve then I may go back because I love my Tide.

On Mar 14, 2001

NaomiR: Yes, it still leaves me with the mystery of what is making us itchy with these products? We've left these products long ago with great results, no more itching! I love how Tide cleans your clothes but it's just not an option for us! ...neither is the downey!

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On Mar 14, 2001

THANK YOU P&G! You are the first company to come on the board and address our concerns. Your responsiveness is much appreciated (even if the source of my children's irritation remains a mystery!)!

Amy

On Mar 14, 2001

Thank you P&G!!!!

Not only did you come once, but twice to clarify this important issue for all of us. So many board members use your products and we have been twisted in knots thinking there may be peanut in your products. I personally cannot thank you enough for your responsiveness and dedication to the end consumer.

On Mar 14, 2001

I am really impressed! We use the ALL, but we do also use the Bounce Free sheets with no problems. As a child, I remember my mom stopped using Tide because I continuously had bumps and itching (I'm not PA). I always thought it was just the fragrance they used combined with my sensitive skin. Maybe it is the same for some of your children.

I did learn from this thread that they make a Tide Free! I have never seen it. Because I have often heard good things about Tide and am so impressed with their concern and professionalism, I will be looking for that product!! Rachel

On Mar 14, 2001

Well, hmmm, I am totally confused. I am very glad someone from P&G took the time to post here but I am also confused as to why they are posting that there are NO peanut products in Bounce while the person I spoke with at P&G said there IS peanut product in bounce and possibly in all the fragrance products? Now I don't want to negate the fact that a company spokesperson took time out to post here but why is this information superior to the information that many of us got when calling the company directly? Did I miss something? Thanks!

On Mar 14, 2001

Hi Everyone,

After reading these posts, I contacted P&G Monday morning, making two separate phone calls. One to the Tide Department and one to the Dreft department. I have received two phone calls this morning from P&G.

9:40 a.m. - Maryann of Dreft called. "There are is no peanut or peanut derivative in any of our laundry products."

10:00 a.m. - Pat of Tide called. "There are no peanut derivatives in any of our laundry products. The only one that has a trace amount is Downey CALMING MIST Enhancer and it's in the perfume. We are working with the perfume supplier to eliminate this problem." I had asked her about Tide, Downey, Bounce, Dreft, Cascade, and Dawn as well. "There are no peanut derivatives in [all of the above products I named]."

Thought you all would want to know! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Beth

On Mar 14, 2001

Thanks P&G for the quick response. And thanks to Pat and Maryann of P&G for getting back to me so quickly! With this kind of customer concern and accomodation, P&G will surely keep our business. Here's to hoping that food manufacturers will follow suit!

On Mar 14, 2001

If reformulating the fragrance is diffucult, perhaps in the interim, adding a warning to the label would be possible?

On Mar 14, 2001

My girlfriend's DH is actually allergic to Tide. She has to use Sunlight. She knows that Tide is superior and when it was on sale a couple of months ago, she did stock up. She thought she could sneak it by her husband because she does a double rinse, but no!

I think it's possible for some people simply be react to products whether they have allergens that we're aware we have in them or not.

I know most often I can't buy fragranced laundry detergent. I had bought a really small bag of IGA store brand to tide me over until I got my Sears detergent. Well, the smell of it. Not only did I double rinse, I double washed! I just could not stand the smell and I knew that if I couldn't, I'd probably end up having to take an antihistamine or end up with a migraine because of it.

I did receive some sort of response back from Sears, if you can call it that. I have to look for a product number on the box for them to help me not. No response from Colgate Palmolive yet. Then, someone mentioned above that they had called re Palmolive Dish Detergent. I have the same question to ask.

I do believe that this may affecting us in ways that we don't recognize/realize. For example, even though I love the smells of some air fresheners, I've always considered them "toxic" and I know that they're not good for asthmatic children. So, I don't use them. However, I'm wondering if we do use products with any fragrance if we should follow-up on all of them.

I think we probably should go through all of our cleaning supplies, just as we have recently done with our cosmetics and toiletries and try to determine if they are safe or not. Now, as you all know, my list of cleaning supplies would be limited, but there are some other people posting here (and under Housecleaning - the Good, Bad and Ugly) that may have a rather extensive list to check.

Just thinking is all.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Mar 14, 2001

I've been meaning to post this for a few days now - sorry I just got around to it now.

Fragrance allergy is becoming more and more common, especially in children. The P & G representative mentioned 300 different ingredients in the fragrance of their product. I'm not surprised to hear about all the reactions to it.

Here is a Fragrance Allergy website, which list the most common fragrance allergens (hopefully you can find out if these allergens are included as ingredients in your cleaning product). Using the perfume and dye-free products definitely seems to be the best bet for anyone affected by this. Here is the link:

[url="http://www.fbr.dk/chemaware/newslet/issue02/article8.html"]http://www.fbr.dk/chemaware/newslet/issue02/article8.html[/url]

Hope this helps - nothing is more frustrating than trying to get to the bottom of something that's causing your child misery.

blackmoss - your idea with the blanket coming between Stephen and all comers is a good idea. Aside from that, DON'T HOLD THE BABY may be your only option. If people don't understand that by simply holding him, they could cause him and you 24 hours (or more) of misery, then tell them you'll be sure to keep them up to date on his condition, at any hour of the night that he starts scratching and crying. A few 3 am phone calls oughta nip the "grabbers" in the bud. They simply can't hold him - they need to get over it, or change their detergent to "fragrance free"! Good luck - I checked out your home page, and I can see why everyone wants to hold him - he's adorable! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Mar 14, 2001

I also am bothered by smells alot. The fragrances of multiple things gives me headaches and me makes me sneeze continuosly. It sometimes surprises me how much the fragrance does irritate my body. I hate walking through department stores to get into the mall because I always have to go throught the perfume/cologne section. Oh my head is pounding just thinking about it.

On Mar 14, 2001

Hello, regarding the Proctor & Gamble issue regarding their usage of Peanut Oil, I contacted them by email today and got a reply that only the Downy Enhancer Spray had peanut oil in it and that they are working on taking this out of this item. But they didn't touch on the subject that their other products are being produced in the same production plants what do we do about that. Both of my sons are peanut allergic and this really is of concern to me as I use both Tide and Downy and my sons allergies have only increased every year even though I thoroughly keep them away from any peanut or peanut oil products.

On Mar 14, 2001

Wow, how could so many inquisitive, diligent and concerned people be ignorant of fragrance. About 90% of perfume contain nuts or nut oil. Every scented item you see presents danger for the PA/TA. From candles, air fresheners, tissue, soaps, shampoo/conditioner to yes, fabric softener. Not meaning to nener nener but in one of my earliest posts mentioned I welted when walking past a home that was using scented softeners. These are airborne reactions my allergist has noted I have, for over 30 years. Dan

On Mar 14, 2001

Don't worry Pester - no nener nener taken! It was brought up earlier in the thread - why didn't we think of laundry detergent?! Trust me, the impression I got, is we're all kicking ourselves now. Sometimes ya can't see the forest for the trees, ya know? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Mar 14, 2001

P and G stated no Peanut products, but what about any other nuts, or did I miss something?

On Mar 15, 2001

vic - I don't think nut oils were questioned (anyone?). I think the consensus is, that if you stay away from any product with fragrance in it, you'll be safe.

I know this doesn't answer your question - did anyone else ask about other nut oils?

On Mar 15, 2001

I am very pleased with the response of P & G. I had no idea there were that many components to a fragrance. It just made it hit home for me that why do we need to be mucking everything up with all that extra stuff? When this thread first came up I went out and bought all fragrance free new detergent and I am going to stick with it. I am of the opinion that using a fragrance free line would simplify things for me.

Linda

On Mar 16, 2001

I'm sorry I just can't beleive this,I am calling today just to see what they tell me. I'm in tears right now, just when I was thinking I was doing so good. And now this I use all of this stuff!!!

On Mar 16, 2001

chasie, I think you just read the beginning and didn't follow through reading all 90 some odd posts (not that I blame you) but I think, and someone correct me if I am worng, that P&G came here and said that the only product, as it turns out, that could have peanut oil is the downy enhancer spray?

On Mar 16, 2001

Well, my son had eczema reactions to Downy a couple years ago - now I know why. I use Wisk Free and Clear, and have never had any problems with that. I also use 20 Mule Team Borax. No fabric softeners anymore! I am so glad to find out about this - will call P&G tomorrow.

On Mar 16, 2001

Oops - I meant Bounce, not Downy! (don't know how to edit!)

On Mar 16, 2001

Okay now this does make sense I think!!! I just went to look at the Downy fabric softener that I have because I new that I did not have the 'spray'. It is Calming Mist Premium Care Downy and it has a sticker on it that says "Premium Care's name is changing to Downy Enhancer Look for it soon!" I wonder if this also contains peanut oil or if they changed the formula and started adding it when they changed the name? This would explain Jacob's itching all over because I started using it about a month ago when the itching started.

On Mar 27, 2001

Wow...I never imagined that one posting (my first time on peanutallergy.com) would ellicit so many responses. First of all, thank you to P & G for the timely responses. I commend you. The barrage of inquiries must have put your company on its toes to our concern. We PA people are obviously and necesarily a proactive community and unfortunately are becoming larger as more children become PA.

I too am not sure why I received the information that I did about the peanut oils being part of the fragrance if, as you state, they are not. I will continue to use fragrance -free detergents, shampoos, soaps, lotions, etc. in my home.

I am glad to be part of the peanutallery.com "team" and will continue to check in for product allerts and information.

Lastly, I am so relieved to read the feelings of being overwhelmed to the point of tears as I spend many nights worrying about everything that could cause "my boy" pain or suffering.

To manufacturers: IF YOU LABEL YOUR PRODUCTS, YOU COULD SAVE US SO MUCH MISERY!

On Mar 29, 2001

P&G - thanks for posting re: laundry products. Now, how about info on soaps?

On May 14, 2002

Here's a copy of the email I received about Tide on 3/26/02:

We understand your concern, and we have some information to share with you about our P&G products and peanut derivatives. In addition to all of our fragrance-free laundry products, the following laundry detergents and fabric conditioners contain no peanut-derived ingredients.

Tide (all versions)

Gain (all versions)

Cheer (all versions)

Era (all versions)

Dreft (all versions)

Bounce (all versions)

Ivory (all versions)

Downy Care (all versions)

Downy Wrinkle Releaser (all versions)

Downy Enhancer Invigorating Burst

Of all our Downy versions, only Downy Enhancer Calming Mist contains trace amounts of peanut oil in the fragrance. This oil is present in the fragrance in minute amounts which is then further diluted during the wash so it should not represent any objective safety concern. However, we understand why you want to reduce all risks to your family. We're currently working with our perfume suppliers to eliminate peanut-derived ingredients from Downy Enhancer Calming Mist. We'll keep you updated, but it will be awhile since reformulating a perfume is not a quick process.

I hope this reassures you and helps you make the best decisions about the products you use in your homes.

Mary Lou USA Tide Team

pandg

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On May 15, 2002

Thanks for the info Mary Lou. I only recently becames aware of the threat in laundry soaps and have been looking for current information. I use Tide and have continued while I was searching because I've had no problems with it.

Also, it's nice to see a company trying to take peanut oil out of their products for a change. Kudos to P&B.

On May 24, 2002

HI everyone!!! Ok After reading about all the detergent stuff, I was really angry!! My son wakes up at least twice a week with a rash and also itchy skin. As soon as his head hits the pillow his nose starts to run! I have tried switicng detegents to see if maybe that was the cause but no luck. So after I read this I called all the numbers on the back of Bounce, Tide and Downy containers. I was assured that non of these products either liquid or powder contained peanut oil or any other nut oils. With the exception of Downy calming mist scent. The guy I spoke to his name was Ben and he was in Canada where iam from. Iamsked if the ingredients are the same for the US as they are for Canada. and he said YES. So on one hand its good news but, How can some be told that yes there are peanuts oils in the products and then some of us told definately not??? iam really confused I dont know who to believe. I think to be safe, I will stick to purex liquid original scent with bleach which I know is safe!!! This is unbelievable. Now does this mean I have to stop my son from hugging his grandparents for fear that they may have washed their clothes in one of these products??? aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! Here is the number I called if you would like to call also. 1 800-526-8623 it was Ben I spoke with . This number covers all three products. Good luck

On May 24, 2002

We use All Free & Clear and the grandparents are required to use it too! Visitors who don't use All F&C get one of our shirts to wear when they visit. That's the omly way we've found to prevent an eczema breakout.

On May 24, 2002

We use All Free & Clear and the grandparents are required to use it too. Visitors who don't use All F&C get one of our shirts to wear when they visit. That's the omly way we've found to prevent an eczema breakout.

On Jun 15, 2002

I just checked my Cheer detergent and it is made by P&G. Any info on it? I think I'm going to take P&G off the list altogether. Also, while I was in the laundry room I came across Magic Sizing fabric finish - it says in the ingredients, fragrance. Never thought about starches either, but I wonder if it could be in it? Planning to check on that.

On Jul 22, 2002

My son too was breaking out in an itchy rash whenever he "hit the pillow" at night. I also use All Free & Clear detergent. We had further allergy testing and found that he was highly allergic to dust mites!!! Scored 5 out of 6 on the RAST. Ever since I went to the store and bought allergy pillows, allergy covers for the pillows and encased the mattress in an allergen free cover - and of course, wash his linens 2x per week... no problems. The allergist also added that he is very allergic to multiple tree pollens - and being the "all boy" that he is... he also had been hanging, climbing and playing in and around the trees in our neighborhood more. I refuse to make him feel like he should be in a big plastic bubble! But I will do whatever I can to help reduce the symptoms, like the bedding solutions.

On Jul 22, 2002

Jojimica, My son also had itchy rashes (not every day). Is your child also allergic to any other environmental stuff or foods that you know of? Ann

[This message has been edited by Ann S (edited July 22, 2002).]

On Dec 31, 2002

Hi. I'm new to the BB and was just cruising old messages. I was concerned about the Proctor & Gamble products because we use a lot of them and my daughter has peanut allergy and eczema. I phoned P&G to ask about other products, and the customer rep informed me that the company has removed all peanut oil from all laundry related fragrance products. This was completed bt July 2002. So, if you have any old bottles of Downey Wrinkle Releaser, throw it away. But all stuff on the shelves should be safe by now. They are researching if Pampers wipes have peanut oil in them, they've never been posed the question. I'll write back once I hear from them.

And by the way, Lever Bros would not tell me if peanut oil is used in the Surf detergents, siting it's proprietory information.

Great website!

On Feb 23, 2003

I re-read the first page, didn't go to pages two and three so don't know what the final outcome was, if any, but simply re-raising for Kim canada to compliment the Oil of Olay thread. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Nov 29, 2003

Hi,

I'm just beginning to look into soap products - I've never worried about them much before, but now I am, after reading some of these topics.

I would like to know which soap products people in Canada and the USA have found to be safe. My son is PA and TN allergic, also soy. At present we use Tide soap liquid, unscented, usually a no-name brand fabric softener, Lever 2000 soap, Head and Shoulders shampoo, Kirkland Shampoo (Costco's own brand) and Dippity Doo Gel. Any comments?

On Nov 23, 2005

Re-raising....

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