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e-mom, obviously I can't answer your current questions because being in Canada things are very different here, but after reading (well, ok, more like skimming) this thread last night I've been thinking a lot about it.
Right now things look like they are set up really well, and maybe you don't want to rock the boat. But then again, as has been pointed out future years may depend on what you do now.
So my only suggestion to you is, when (if) you decide to talk to the principal/board about a 504 or whatever, make sure you LET THEM KNOW you are working towards the future with this. I don't think your some hot-head who's going in with both barrels blasting, but if the principal has put a lot of work into making her school safe she definitely wants and deserves appreciation for that. She needs to know that your big concern is when that teacher and/or principal go elsewhere you don't want to have to start over. And also I think a 504 travels with your child to a new school - so also explain that if you move in 5 years you don't want to have to start over.
I've been dealing with schools and boards and teachers for 18 years - without a break [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img] and I've dealt with the worst and the best. When you have a good one they can really help you set things up for the future - when you have to deal with the worst. But it's always best to work with them and make sure they know you are working with them. People don't like being on the defensive.
[i]I hope I'm not repeating a bunch of stuff that's already been said - I did just sort of skim things over. And I also hope you *read* this in the same tone that I *wrote* it. If anything sounds offensive then I wrote it wrong - just ask for clarification, OK? [/i]
Quote:Originally posted by AnnaMarie:
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And also I think a 504 travels with your child to a new school - so also explain that if you move in 5 years you don't want to have to start over.
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Does it? Or is it just the continued [i]ability[/i] to have one? Are all schools structured the same way? I don't know. I mean, what if a 504 addresses the role of the "Full Time School Nurse" and the next school [i]doesn't have one[/i]. Again, I don't know. Anyone??
Quote:Originally posted by AnnaMarie:
[b]Right now things look like they are set up really well, and maybe you don't want to rock the boat. But then again, as has been pointed out future years may depend on what you do now.
So my only suggestion to you is, when (if) you decide to talk to the principal/board about a 504 or whatever, make sure you LET THEM KNOW you are working towards the future with this.[/b]
Rocking the boat--definitely no way. Making it sail smoothly with the wind blowing my hair as the sun shines down and accentuates the natural highlights [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] You bet!!
Yes, this has occurred to me as well to discuss a plan for upcoming years. Tis a difficult decision. The school has basically done everything that I was hoping it would do--AND I didn't even have to ask or explain--which is the good part!
Quote:[b]I don't think your some hot-head who's going in with both barrels blasting, but if the principal has put a lot of work into making her school safe she definitely wants and deserves appreciation for that. She needs to know that your big concern is when that teacher and/or principal go elsewhere you don't want to have to start over.[/b]
Me a HOTHEAD!! hehe Nah! I actually think that a 504 in some ways can actually protect the Principal as well. If she/he has a non-compliant teacher, it would be somewhat easy for the Principal to get them to comply without using force (so to speak).
[b] Quote:[i]I hope I'm not repeating a bunch of stuff that's already been said - I did just sort of skim things over. And I also hope you *read* this in the same tone that I *wrote* it. If anything sounds offensive then I wrote it wrong - just ask for clarification, OK? [/i][/b]
AM--You offensive? Didn't take it that way at all. I appreciate all the feedback that I have been getting. It is helping.
Although, I did stumble onto a whole new issue last night. DH [b] absolutely refuses[/b] to have his son labelled as having a disability. He said NO WAY to a 504!! Soooo, not sure what to do. I just want my son to be safe. If something were to happen (and I pray that it does not), but I wouldn't sue the school. Why would I? What would that accomplish? Other than having tax payers to fork over more tax dollars.
I just want him to be safe and happy. Not looking to squash anyone in the process.
e-mom, are all the accomodations in a written policy or is it just done? That could make a difference.
About your dh...just keep trying to explain to him that it is just a written plan of what they will do to keep him safe. Thats a tough one. Better to have your child labeled with a disability than to have them in the ER.
I agree, if you decide to go with a 504 just say to your principal that you just want it in writing for future years, future teachers and future principals. Tell him he has done such a great job you want it documented so no one can change it on him.
It is soooooo hard going through all this. I tell other people how lucky they are that they can just drop their kids off at school with no worries. I would love to not have to go through all this. It has been a neverending process for us because it has never been done, so things keep popping up and having to be changed. I would love to not be scared to death every time I hear sirens while he is in school.
Dont worry, it will work out one way or another [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] Does it? Or is it just the continued [i]ability[/i] to have one? Are all schools structured the same way? I don't know. I mean, what if a 504 addresses the role of the "Full Time School Nurse" and the next school [i]doesn't have one[/i]. Again, I don't know. Anyone??
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Common sense tells me that either the parents would have to update or rewrite the 504 OR they do a thorough search for a school system that already has Full Time Nurses. I would imagine at that point having taken it that far their main focus on finding a new school would be how the school handled PA.
Our main reason for picking this town was the school system. Dh only needs to be near an airport for work since he travels a lot so it doesn't matter.
We just got lucky as we didn't know that they handled PA so well!
I would think though that if a 504 was in place and had been taken that far, the parents would carefully pick the next school system solely based upon how they dealt with PA.
Quote:Originally posted by momma2boys:
[b]e-mom, are all the accomodations in a written policy or is it just done? That could make a difference.
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I actually have no idea. I was under the impression that it was just done that way but I really don't know. For example, with the peanut butter sandwiches--the school just simply does not serve them. So I do not know why I would need to have this in writing. With his epi-pen(s) SHE (the principal) asked ME where I would want to have it kept!! I thought that I would have to fight for it to be in the classroom--so again another issue that was resolved before it was even brought up.
I have asked (in my thank you email) if we (me and the principal/school) should set up a list of procedures in case an emergency arises. I cannot imagine that she would say no to this! This is basically what I did at his preschool and it worked! So I guess we shall see.
Quote:[b]Dont worry, it will work out one way or another [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img][/b]
Yeah, I know. Thanks a million!
[This message has been edited by e-mom (edited February 25, 2004).]
Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]Just have to ask, tho, it seems to *me* that a nurse would still be held to the same *standard of practice* under either a 504 or IHP. Don't see how that would *change*.(pardon the pun.) [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] [/b]
Yes, I agree. IMO, I cannot envision having an IHP without a school nurse who implements it. [i]Because[/i]the IHP is predicated on medical/nursing practices, it works because of the "higher authorities" that the [i]nurse[/i] is bound to. Having a school nurse, essentially, makes the IHP a viable option.
I could be wrong. Anyone out there have an IHP without a school nurse?
Having an IHP des not preclude me from obtaining 504 status. That option always remains in place for Mariah. If my school nurse were not competently administering the IHP, I could request 504 status so that the same accommodations would be held accountable by the "higher authority" of disability laws.
[This message has been edited by Gail W (edited February 25, 2004).]
Quote:Originally posted by momma2boys:
[b]e-mom, are all the accomodations in a written policy or is it just done? That could make a difference.[/b]
Yes, it would make a big difference to me.
"Policy" means that it has been addressed and approved by the school board... and that your school is required to implement/follow it.
If, say, your school gets a new principal with other ideas, or when you have a non-compliant teacher, you would have the backing (higher authority) of the district to safeguard your child.
BTW, Mariah's IHP is [i]transferable within our district.[/i] So when she goes to Middle School, they will 'automatically' implement the provisions stated in her plan. Same with any district program, such as after-school activities and summer camp.
Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] Yes, I agree. IMO, I cannot envision having an IHP without a school nurse who implements it. [i]Because[/i]the IHP is predicated on medical/nursing practices, it works because of the "higher authorities" that the [i]nurse[/i] is bound to. Having a school nurse, essentially, makes the IHP a viable option.
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Hypothetically, would the IHP and 504 be [i]limited[/i] to what the medical/nursing/healthcare community is [i]bound[/i] to follow? Hypothetically.
I mean, [i]"safe practice"[/i] rules? no?
Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. I am only asking hypothetical questions.
Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] Hypothetically, would the IHP and 504 be [i]limited[/i] to what the medical/nursing/healthcare community is [i]bound[/i] to follow? Hypothetically.
I mean, [i]"safe practice"[/i] rules? no?
Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. I am only asking hypothetical questions.
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and as long as I'm asking, hypothetically, would the IHP or 504 also be [i]limited[/i] to what any other individuals named in it are [b]bound, restricted, limited[/b] to do by "higher authorities"?
I mean, is it a [b]Big Boolean Thing?[/b] Checks and Balances? Related Items? Pieces of information/Related Items being part of the [b]Bigger Picture[/b]? Gears turning other gears? Gears ensuring other gears turn in a certain direction?
Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. I am only asking hypothetical questions.
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