The more I think about vaccines...

Posted on: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 12:39pm
mommamia8's picture
Joined: 11/13/2005 - 09:00

I'm sure I have read posts here debating why the dramatic increase in PA and other FA over the past 5 years but at that point I had nothing to contribute. Lately though, I started wondering about vaccines, specifically how many are given together at one visit. I don't know how to find the info to support my thinking, meaning are more given now then say, 6 years ago? 10 years ago?
You take a tiny immature immune system and bombard it with multiple vaccines at the same visit, over and over again for the first 2 years. I would think the immune system could go into "overdrive" especially if the child is already in a higher risk category (ie-allergic parent/s).
A friend of mine got a new dog recently and the vet recommended he spread out the shots for the dog and not get more than one at a visit. I think the vet even cited a recent study for his comments. Wow! And that is for a dog!
Anyway, that got me thinking...
Any comments?

Posted on: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 1:03pm
Tom's picture
Joined: 01/22/2006 - 09:00

The more I read about vaccines the more I am leary. In most cases, such as flu shots, there is so much 'other stuff' in the vaccine besides just the innoculating target, it's scary. To just inject random bits of dna into your body that no one is sure what they do.

Posted on: Thu, 02/02/2006 - 7:57pm
williamsmummy's picture
Joined: 03/26/2002 - 09:00

The more I look up common childhood diseases that cause blindess,deafness, heart problems , brain damage. The less I worry, mine are innoculated.
there are plenty of other reasons for allergies.
By all means spread the injections, which wasnt an option for me, but look at the effects of the diseases themselves before refusing.
I am happy that my son is not disabled, he just has allergies.
[This message has been edited by williamsmummy (edited February 03, 2006).]

Posted on: Fri, 02/03/2006 - 2:03am
Momcat's picture
Joined: 03/15/2005 - 09:00

In our case, I don't think the vaccines were a factor since DD developed allergic symptoms at two months. She had only had the hep B vaccine at that point.

Posted on: Fri, 02/03/2006 - 2:32am
Nutforce's picture
Joined: 06/02/2005 - 09:00

I have spaced out the vaccines for my children, giving only one per visit.
I have one pa child, one non-pa.

Posted on: Fri, 02/03/2006 - 3:45am
ahensley's picture
Joined: 08/23/2005 - 09:00

My PA son is not vaccinated at all, but that does not mean I do not think the vaccines I received in my pregancy may have triggered an autoimmune (PA) response in him. My nonPA son, now 5, did have mercury poisioning (causing all the autoimmune effects autism has - gut problems, allergies, inflammation in the brain etc) from his vaccines and is now recovered from autism after 3-4 years of biomedical treatment - including chelation (heavy metal detox). So I think both autism and PA are some how related- I have 2 close friends with kids on the autism spectrum (both almost recovered)and each also has another child with PA. Seems strange to me that it would just be concidence. I truely believe something is going on causing our children to have such pronounced autoimmune diseases.
I know our family has experienced a miracle already once in the family with my non PA son recovering from autism, but I am praying for 2 miralces... a recovery from PA. I know God can do it.

Posted on: Fri, 02/03/2006 - 4:24am
Prajna's picture
Joined: 10/09/2001 - 09:00

I agree with you totally about vaccines, I breed retrievers and I will not health guarantee a puppy that has been vaccinated every year.... I do not give any additional vaccines just for the heck of it.... and I dont allow them to be given more than one vaccine at a time if they need distemper and parvo and rabies we do three different visits two weeks apart.....
I can't imagine that if its bad for dogs and cats its any better for people.

Posted on: Sat, 02/04/2006 - 9:36am
TwokidsNJ's picture
Joined: 05/28/2005 - 09:00

I do think the vaccines are an issue. Many kids with autism also have food allergies. My food allergic kids were language delayed. I just think there's something to the immune system going into overdrive. Someday we'll know.
The medical community denies vaccines cause autism but I have heard many stories as the one above where kids with autism have recovered after getting the metals out of their body thru chelation. Someday the medical community will believe it -- after they see enough cases. And then they'll figure out that the vaccines/immune system relationship is a factor in the increase in food allergies too.

Posted on: Sat, 02/04/2006 - 9:48am
Corvallis Mom's picture
Joined: 05/22/2001 - 09:00

Just because two things are coincident doesn't mean one of them is causative.
For example, if the rate of burglary goes up whenever ice cream sales spike, does that mean there is a causative relationship between them? Or is it possible that there is another explanation?
They may BOTH have a hidden underlying cause. Like it being very hot, ergo people leave windows open and buy ice cream.
I second what Sarah said. And yes, I HAVE read the research. All of it, not just the biased material on either side. I would vaccinate again in a heartbeat just the way we did.
'Nuff said.

Posted on: Sat, 02/04/2006 - 9:53am
TwokidsNJ's picture
Joined: 05/28/2005 - 09:00

Just because I think there could be a correlation does not mean I would not vaccinate my children.
The medical community denied there was an issue with DTP for years...once so many adverse reactions were proven, they finally reformulated the shots into DTaP.
The CDC has a lot at stake if they admit anything adverse in vaccines. I know a few families personally affected, and I believe the vaccines affected their children negatively. What's good for 99.9% of the population may have an adverse effect for the other 0.1%. Sorta like allergies -- peanuts are safe for most people, but has a serious adverse effect in a few.
And yes, I've read all the research too.

Posted on: Sat, 02/04/2006 - 10:31am
mommamia8's picture
Joined: 11/13/2005 - 09:00

I did vaccinate my ds and would do it again. I would, however, spread out the vaccines. I'm not saying this is THE cause but I'm leaning toward it playing a part. And I also think autism is related to vaccines.


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