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Posted on: Mon, 09/06/2004 - 11:20pm
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well MommaBear won't be at the meeting, so it really shouldn't have an impact on your decision to attend or not...

Posted on: Mon, 09/06/2004 - 11:50pm
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Quote:Originally posted by turlisa:
[b]so many to respond to.. I cant believe the sh*t I am taking just trying to help out. Whats in this for me? absolutely nothing![/b]
I don't know, but the warm bath worked for me.
[b]"to MommaBear, I am not even going to respond to the dangerous weapons question. Lets not get off focus here."[/b]
*Personally*, [b]I think that was about as focused as it gets.[/b] I mean, do you disagree?
[b]"e-mom, what am I telling these people now? I am telling them that there is a real danger that they should take the time to learn about like I have, but that maybe there is a way to accommodate everybodys needs. To answer your other question, yes, for the most part, I think it is a control issue. Its almost like,[i] I will do anything I can to help you out, but dont demand that I do it or I will stop in a heartbeat.[/i]"[/b]
stop what? You mean, send PB/peanut/nut products to school purposely? please clarify.
[b]"And you are right, I have gotten myself incredibly involved in this. Why? because I in a state of anger, and without knowing what I know now, I wrote a letter to the editor, put up posters and helped to get the protest going,I helped to fan the flames so to speak."[/b]
"no good deed"?
[b]"So after I learned about it, i tried to put together a plan to difuse tempers and still KEEP THIS LITTLE BOY SAFE, why? because I am trying to do the right thing! Am I personally going to send pb to school? no, I am not. What am I getting out of this? I am getting my FULL NAME dragged thru the mud by an @$$clown who is blaming me for everything from the holocaust to the Iraqi war on a local public channel. I am getting ALOT of people who are going to be at that meeting because I was supposed to "let the school board have it" who are now going to be p*$$ed off at me because I am not going to all out fight for them like they are expecting, and MOSTLY I have been getting nothing but SH*T since I came to this site from MommaBear simply because I am trying to help!"[/b]
where? If trying to educate is giving someone "SH*T", then I don't know what else to do. How much do you know about IEP's and 504's?
for some reason, that "presumptious" word is ringing in my ears again.
ps........... I tried the "dumbing down" thing. [i]It isn't working.[/i]
pps.....I read through this and thought (a few times): "welcome to my world."
[b]"What do I want to see happen? I would like this plan go in effect, and by the 2nd week have the kids telling their mothers that " they want something else for lunch " so they can sit in the lunch room with the rest of their friends. I would like to see these people come together and see that this isnt just a story but a little boy who can die if they f#ck up so opt to leave it out of their kids lunches because its the right thing to do. I would like to see that the peanut room isnt needed at all.
I think they are just blowing smoke and venting. I dont think for a minute that they would follow thru with something that horrific, and I think they are looking for a reason to be helpful but cant change their mind without looking like they have no backbone. and some others are just stirring up crap because they like causing trouble."[/b]
and
[b]"And lastly Themom, I am not saying that at all. I am saying that most of these people [i]are[/i] blowing smoke, and venting their anger at a situation they have no control over. This area in general is more attitude than anything, all talk no action sort of thing. thats why I have alot of support, because I was willing to act. they will continue to protest and talk big, but in all actuality they will comply to the ban. BUT I am also saying that if people see you as a person that is willing to compromise for the needs they [i]think[/i] they have and not just trying to take something away from their kids, when given a choice the majority will be more than happy to do the right thing. And once the parents stop b*tching about it at home, the kids will stop at school."[/b]
I've heard alot about "Hyper-educated" communitites. Is this one of them?
[b]Do I want pb back in the school? I personally could care less. It was more of a convenience for me so my dd didnt have to eat salami everyday.[/b]
so why would you say: "Its almost like,[i] I will do anything I can to help you out, but dont demand that I do it or I will stop in a heartbeat.[/i]"
"[b]I have to say though, with all the crap and frustration I have been getting from MB, I'm not sure if its even worth it for me to go the the meeting at all. I wanted to help, and I wanted to offer what support I could, but after all, what am I getting out of it? other than a headache?[/b]"
and
"[b]to MommaBear about 8&3... that is something the school has in place, it is not something I thought up, I am using the schools wording. (at least one thing you cant argue with me about)[/b]"
wasn't arguing. It was merely something that stood out for me. Plain Englese'. Did the school explain? You know, since *you* are spearheading the plan, wouldn't you want to know?
[b]"and MommaBear, Like I have said MANY MANY times, NO I PERSONALY WILL NOT SEND PB TO SCHOOL! did you hear me that time? or are we going to address this question again?"[/b]
[i]even if you are [b]told[/b] not to?[/i]
[b]"You know, in what I have been reading here, alot of you only have peanut free classrooms, and if that is the case why is it so hard to accept a peanut free school with the exception of ONE classroom?"[/b]
You know, they say you can't fight city hall. (don't know if that is true [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] ) But *believe me*, [i]*I personally* won't be one to put my [b]seal of approval[/b] on a plan that gives people carte blanche' to bring what I consider a dangerous weapon to school.[/i] Gotta consider human nature. Think of all the things you're kids have or may ask you permission to do someday. What are you going to tell them? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] [i]and why[/i]?
human nature.
Living Under Protest and Jumping on the Band Wagon are two distictly different choices.
[b]"***** sorry if I have offended anybody here, but I can have extreme moments of stress and frustration too! I guess what they say is true.. no good deed goes unpunished." [/b]
tell me about it. maybe another soak..........
General Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. I live in a personal, *highly individual* and unique situation. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
edit to correct bold and italics. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by MommaBear (edited September 07, 2004).]

Posted on: Mon, 09/06/2004 - 11:57pm
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Quote:Originally posted by darthcleo:
[b]well MommaBear won't be at the meeting, so it really shouldn't have an impact on your decision to attend or not...
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[i]good point[/i].

Posted on: Mon, 09/06/2004 - 11:59pm
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you know, they say there is "one" in every family. In my family there is more than "one". [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]

Posted on: Tue, 09/07/2004 - 12:01am
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Quote:Originally posted by turlisa:
[b] I have to say though, with all the crap and frustration I have been getting from MB, I'm not sure if its even worth it for me to go the the meeting at all. I wanted to help, and I wanted to offer what support I could, but after all, what am I getting out of it? other than a headache?[/b]
tonight, I go to a very similiar meeting.
here is the [i]difference[/i].
[b]It's *my* son's life. So I must go.[/b]

Posted on: Tue, 09/07/2004 - 12:03am
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darthcleo,
[i]do they have 504's or IEP's in Quebec (or where you live) for PA?[/i] Anything similiar?

Posted on: Tue, 09/07/2004 - 12:52am
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Mommabear please give Lisa a break, she is trying after all.
Lisa, I know you are trying your best and you are brave to want to stand up and publically admit you were wrong. This is going to be a wild meeting. I know all about headaches. Lack of sleep etc. I found out today that my son ate lunch all alone on the first day of school. Breaks my heart. I dont know what to do. Part of me really wants to bring him home and find some way to still get him special ed. Part of me thinks this will all blow over in a month or so, but what will my son go through in that month?
Lisa I am not asking anything of you, you will do what you feel you need to do and I respect that. I do appreciate, and that is a small term cant think of anything better, all the time and the s#it you have taken on this board. WE also have vented a little bit on some message boards (village soup) and it does feel a little good to vent, but to what end. Those people are not going to change their mind. I just want my little boy to be safe, and somewhat normal and learn to read. Is that too much to ask?

Posted on: Tue, 09/07/2004 - 1:04am
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We, as pa parents, spend alot of time trying to educate people. We all comment whenever there is a story like this, how we wish we could educate those people. Well one of them came here, and was educated. She is trying to help themom now. Maybe she came on a little too strong for you. But remember, she admits she came on too strong in her disapproval and is trying to make that right.
So now that we have that parent here, and educated her, and she is trying to help, should we let her think that we are all a bunch of bitches that are never happy? That we don't need her help or want it? Should we discourage her from going to this meeting and helping themom?
Sometimes I just don't understand people! All I know is I think it is pretty damn pathetic that themom actually had to ask for people to back off on turlisa because she is trying to help!!! Hello!
Turlisa, I personally think it is great that you have admitted you are wrong. I think that it is a big step for you to go to this meeting and try to convince others to try to help. Whatever happens with the written plan, and what I think about it or anyone else thinks about it, it may help for you to stand up there and tell people you were wrong.
Themom needs all the help she can get right now!
Themom, I again must repeat how sorry I am that this is happening. To know your son ate alone must be heartbreaking. I can imagine I would be ready to yank him out right now too! I really think, as in Nutternomores' case, it will die down. If it doesn't and you really want to homeschool, maybe you can discuss options with your school for his special ed. needs.
I'd also like to say bravo to your school! I hope they don't cave to pressure. Again, Good luck!!

Posted on: Tue, 09/07/2004 - 1:09am
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Mommabear, why in the world does Turlisa need to know about 504's or IEP's????? She is presenting a plan at this meeting. What happens with that plan will be decided at the meeting, not here. We have no say in it. I am not saying I agree or disagree with her plan, to me that is irrelevent.
What is relevant is that she is trying to help. She is not the mom of a pa child so she doesn't have to deal with the crap we do.
And before my son started school, I had no clue what a 504 was, so why you feel she must know this is beyond me. I think she is educated enough to know she was wrong, and will try to get others to change their minds. She is not sending pb, what more do we need to ask of her?!

Posted on: Tue, 09/07/2004 - 1:27am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]darthcleo,
[i]do they have 504's or IEP's in Quebec (or where you live) for PA?[/i] Anything similiar?[/b]
I have no clue, since we homeschool and were never in the system.
I don't think there's anything though. However the general population is relatively well educated, regarding peanut allergy. I remember last year, or the year before that, some articles in the newspaper because one school banned a whole list of food, school-wise, with a longer list for the specific class where the child was.
And if you think the list that Turlisa and themom are dealing with is restrictive, you should have seen that one.
Everyone was asking for that child to be schooled at home, but the family refused. And the school complied, and all families too. But that list was really really long.. Nothing with wheat in it, for the whole school! No nuts, peanuts, legumes, wheat, rice, fish, shellfish, etc... I'm not entirely sure how the whole thing ended, except that the child *is* in school, not schooled at home.

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