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Posted on: Sun, 09/05/2004 - 4:01am
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Quote:Originally posted by darthcleo:
[b]You might want to specify at #6 whether this includes "may contain peanuts" or not. Just saying snacks containing peanuts leave this up in the air.[/b]
making the changes now.. thanks

Posted on: Sun, 09/05/2004 - 7:27am
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Posted on: Sun, 09/05/2004 - 9:27am
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I am so glad you think it is good, even though I know you are still on the fence about it.
I only mentioned all those foods, because that is already what the school has eliminated from its menu.
The classroom could be just about any room that your son will have no reason to ever go into. And if another PA child comes into the school, they will just have to make sure they dont assign him/her to that room as a homeroom.
Nancy posted earlier in this thread, that maybe a "peanut parent" (my word) could volunteer to monitor that room. In fact I myself would be willing to do just that if they dont mind my twins being there for a small portion of the day.
Show it to your supporter in the school and see what they have to say, I am kinda anxious to find out myself. (I cant help it, I worked really long and hard on it and i must say I am a little proud. does that sound awful?)
I will be at the school sometime in the morning to talk to the principal, and I also have to make a run over to the superintendants office.
I will be at the meeting tuesday night and if you feel comfortable enuf, introduce yourself. I would love to meet you. I would say see you then, but I wont unless you choose for me to. so I will say [b] see me then [/b] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Sun, 09/05/2004 - 10:37am
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Quote:Originally posted by turlisa:
[i]
[b]Accommodating Safe Environment
(A.S.E)[/b]
1. For the reason that[b] NO [/b]child should be afraid of the food the school provides, the school breakfast/lunch program will be free from :*

Posted on: Mon, 09/06/2004 - 12:50am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] There are a number of items in my cub's "plan" (IEP/OHI) that are not in this plan. Is it your intention that this be in lieu of another [i]formal[/i] plan or replace any portion thereof?[/b]
NO! this plan is in no way meant to take away from themoms plan for her son. This plan is pretty much to say to the other parents that [i] there is a little boy in this school that can die from coming in contact with peanut butter, we have to and are going to keep him safe so we are restricting pb from coming into the school, but if you MUST have it, these are the rules, if you cant abide by them, we will remove it completely[/i]
Quote: Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]I mean, does *your* plan allow for Due Process, contain Procedural SafeGuards, inherent rights or otherwise. Is it enforceable? [/b]
If the school decided to go with this plan, they will send a copy of it to the parents with a section that they are to read and sign. that reads something like
[i]I understand the above guidelines and agree to adhere to them. I also understand that if any of these guidlines are broken, whether it be knowingly or unknowingly, or if the school feels this plan is not working as it should, they (the school) will have no other option than to ban peanut butter completely.[/i]
and I pretty much think it should be left at, there will be no three strikes, there may not be even one. if the school has even the slightest uneasyness about whether or not pb is staying confined to that area, the plan is gone, the ban is back. If you HAVE TO HAVE PB... YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE, if you are not, we will be. WE [b]WILL NOT[/b] RISK THE LIFE OF A CHILD
Quote: Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] Did you read the link I provided in your other thread? [/b]
No, I have to say I didnt, because I have been getting the feeling that you are just not going to like anything I say because I am not PA or the parent of a PA, that is my bad and I am sorry. just because I find you difficult, doesnt mean that you are not trying to educate me. (I still have a way to go, but I am working on it.) I will read the link when I am done here. I mean maybe I find you difficult because you are doing the most educating. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] (and those teacher were always my favorite in the long run.)
Quote: Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]Does your plan cover fieldtrips, class celebrations, activities, etc?[/b]
No, but it should,I didnt even think of those, thank you. (thats why I asked for suggestions, in case I forgot something, after all, this is NEW to me.) I will make the changes.
I will add:
10: Field trips, celebrations and school activities will remain completely free of all peanut/tree nuts and seeds, if you wish to send a special class treat in for a birthday or holiday, restrictions will apply, and it MUST be okay'd by the school. Please contact us for a list of acceptable items. ANY ITEM that has not been previoulsy okay'd will be unopened and sent back home.
(and themom could send a list of appropriate items that the school could have there, and the school would have to clear any item not on the list thru themom)
11: if any of these guidelines....
12: This program in NO WAY is meant to take away from the safety plan put in to place by the doctors and parents of children with life threatening allergies. these guidelines are only meant to inform other parents [b]some[/b] of the steps that will be taken to ensure a safe learning environment for all.
13: The parents of children with life threatening allergies will retain the right to request changes be made to this plan or request that this plan be removed should they feel it does not or is no longer protecting their children.
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Posted on: Mon, 09/06/2004 - 1:18am
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Quote:Originally posted by turlisa:
[b]NO! this plan is in no way meant to take away from themoms plan for her son. This plan is pretty much to say to the other parents that there is a little boy in this school that can die from coming in contact with peanut butter, we have to and are going to keep him safe so we are restricting pb from coming into the school, but if you MUST have it, these are the rules, if you cant abide by them, we will remove it completely
[/b]
Well, then are we talking about [i]redundancy[/i]? Where I come from, it is held in high regard.
Just asking myself, [i]ir[/i]- [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] regardless of any "Policy, Procedure, and Protocol........SOP" that may be *out there*, does themom still retain her [b]right[/b] to seek accommodation and designation under IDEA or 504? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] Would it still behoove her, and why?
I mean, would any [i]stand alone[/i] "Policy, Procedure, and Protocol" need to be adopted formally to any IEP/OHI or 504 to have the same [i]enforceability[/i]/[b]modifyability as seen necessary[/b] that such IEP/OHI or 504 might provide?
General Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. Merely asking questions. Don't know myself. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Posted on: Mon, 09/06/2004 - 1:31am
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I have edited the above post a few times, and you have been here in the middle of all my changes, so please reread.
and again, I am not trying to take away anything from the moms plan, this plan that I came up with isnt suppose to be some big legal document that yada yada yada... themoms plan stays in place for her son.
this is only meant to make the other parents feel like they have a choice and had a say in the matter. and while I know you are thinking and saying that they shouldnt have a say, and rightfully so, I think they will be very uncooperative if that is case, and isnt after all cooperation on keeping a child safe what matters? and not a p*$$ing contest on who should have a say and who shouldnt?
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Posted on: Mon, 09/06/2004 - 1:44am
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Quote:Originally posted by turlisa:
[b]this is only meant to make the other parents feel like they have a choice and had a say in the matter. and while I know you are thinking and saying that they shouldnt have a say, and rightfully so, I think they will be very uncooperative if that is case, and isnt after all cooperation on keeping a child safe what matters? and not a p*$$ing contest on who should have a say and who shouldnt?
[/b]
You mean [b]lip-service[/b]?

Posted on: Mon, 09/06/2004 - 1:46am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] You mean [b]lip-service[/b]?
[/b]
well, considering it is [i]written[/i]...............

Posted on: Mon, 09/06/2004 - 1:51am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]you mean lip service?
well, considering it is [i]written[/i]...............
[/b]
Yeah kinda like lip service, only difference is that if they can act responsibly they can have pb. now, in giving pb back to them as an option, it is written, so that they understand, and acknowledge, if they act carelessly it will be taken away, and for good this time.
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