So, you\'ve been using WHAT???!

Posted on: Mon, 07/31/2006 - 2:31pm
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.....without any discernable incident and you find out it has "(insert your choice)", in it. Or it might.

What do you do?

As a "(again, insert your choice) allergic" individual or as a close family/household member.

What do you do?

Hypothetically or *Real Life* incident.

Maybe it's not a "using" issue at all. Maybe it's just somewhere you eat. A place you go. Something you didn't know about. Or just something rumored to be.

Does just the spector of a possible faux pas dictate your lifestyle or choices, despite current circumstances/past performance, or does anything else figure into the picture? *Should* anything else figure into the picture?

no advice, just wondering.

Posted on: Mon, 07/31/2006 - 2:57pm
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Here's my list:
Found out that Tofutti Cuties makes a PB flavor=no more Cuties
Found out that Cetaphil moisturizer contains nut oil=decided to use something else
Found out that favorite Mexican restaurant has peanut mole and cooks the tortillas in peanut oil (refined)=we don't eat there anymore
Found out that frozen burrito is processed in a facility with nuts (but not peanuts)=we still eat them
I just go with my gut on these things. I don't really have any other way of deciding what to do! BTW none of the above caused reactions.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/31/2006 - 2:58pm
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Do you mean going to Maggie Moo's without incident or using Annie's individual-serving micro mac&cheese and finding out it has peanut? That sort of thing?

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Quote:Originally posted by ceross:
[b]Do you mean going to Maggie Moo's without incident or using Annie's individual-serving micro mac&cheese and finding out it has peanut? That sort of thing?[/b]
either. the whole spectrum. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Mon, 07/31/2006 - 10:14pm
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Recently found out a couple of products we've used for years are either made in a facility or made on shared but washed lines. I never checked before because we've used them a thousand times without incident and out of laziness I guess but now we've discontinued use.
This is because of the young ages of my children (1, 3 and 5) and the reality check I had when ds#2 developed PA and TNA with no known exposure. 1) I have to think something we're using is the likely culprit and 2) I have a 3rd child I hope to avoid exposing and 3) I have no clue how sensitive ds#2 is but if he can become a class 3 and 4 from trace exposure I have to think it's possible a real exposure would potentially send him off the charts.
So for now, at least until the boys are older, I've tightened my comfort zone again.
Luvmyboys

Posted on: Mon, 07/31/2006 - 10:20pm
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
Does just the spector of a possible faux pas dictate your lifestyle or choices, despite current circumstances/past performance, or does anything else figure into the picture? *Should* anything else figure into the picture?
No, I don't think it dictates my life.
If we use something, and its deemed 'safe' (in our books), and something comes out that says 'It MAY not be safe' or 'It isn't safe' we'd weigh the pros/cons and move on.
Dictate, though? No.
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Posted on: Tue, 08/01/2006 - 1:53am
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Is this about that gosh darn deli chicken? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]
Jason, hi! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Quote:Originally posted by jtolpin:
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If we use something, and its deemed 'safe' (in our books), and something comes out that says 'It MAY not be safe' or 'It isn't safe' we'd weigh the pros/cons and move on.
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That's what I do too.
I do remember the first time I ever saw a label change. I was eating my favorite Nestle Sno-Caps at the musical Showboat. I think I was 11 or 12. I casually flipped the box over to read it, not for the ingredients but because I usually read everything on a box (the cereal games, the calories, the "made in battlecreek michigan), and at the bottom of the ingredients was PEANUTS.
I was really excited, because this was the first time my mother or I experienced a change in labelling for x-contamination. We didn't know why they'd put that there, and I just assumed that meant I outgrew the allergy. I stopped eating them that day, and when my mom called she got the shared lines/facility info and my dreams were crushed. Haven't had them since. Fannie May does make an impressive alternative (with no warning, other items have warnings so I'm not too concered), but who wants to pay $7 for candy that will last you 2 days at most? So I've just given up.

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Ann used to eat snocaps ALL the time, at the movies (she called them 'toe caps')
Nestle's -- US variety.
Non-pareils.
Havent touched them in a LONG while... because we dont go to the movies anymore [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Tue, 08/01/2006 - 3:05am
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Ohhhh.....this is about the bulk foods thing, isn't it? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]
Well-- I certainly don't advocate doing so to anyone else.
But we tend to rationalize it if we have no alternative. If it caused a rxn, we'd eliminate it, [i]of COURSE[/i] but if it doesn't.... well, we know it is a risk, but on the grand scale of things, I put it up there with going to the movies or a playground or anywhere else in public. KWIM? If it were PA alone, I might do it differently. But with MFA, you learn to live in the grey areas. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img] Or you don't live at all.
RATIONALIZATION.
That's what we do once we've decided it is a risk we probably have to take.

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Not bulk foods. They come in boxes. There bulk foods in the movies nowadays AFAIK, but I wouldnt buy THOSE. With the sharing of spoons, etc... NOT my comfy zone.
NOTE: we may (or may not) be talking about the same (or different) views on movies, bulk items, and surf boards. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Tue, 08/01/2006 - 3:34am
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No, J, I was just in my own sly way pointing out that all of us probably have one (or more!) of those guilty "secrets" that we can't quite explain rationally but do anyway...
like CSC with her deli chicken...
me with my bulk foods...
Which is what leads us all eventually to just shrug and say IMMV. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
It's either that or run away with the gypsies or the circus.

Posted on: Tue, 08/01/2006 - 3:37am
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I will never use aquafresh again just to spite them.
I had my doubts that it really had peanut in it, my son would have reacted by now.
It should have been labeled so I could decide to take that rare "chance."
Which ended up not being any chance, just cya laziness.

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Quote:Originally posted by jtolpin:
[b]Ann used to eat snocaps ALL the time, at the movies (she called them 'toe caps')
Nestle's -- US variety.
Non-pareils.
Havent touched them in a LONG while... because we dont go to the movies anymore [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Jason
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If you happened to go to the movies, would she still eat them despite the label? From what I've read it seems like your wife and I have a pretty similar comfort zone.
When my mom called she didn't press to figure out if they're on cleaned lines or in a different room or whatever since we didn't know anything about x-contamination...it'd be great to be able to eat these again. If you haven't called on them, I just might [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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Quote:Originally posted by Corvallis Mom:
[b] It's either that or run away with the gypsies or the circus.
[/b]
BTDT, [i]escaped[/i].

Posted on: Tue, 08/01/2006 - 5:50am
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If we went to the movies (ha!), she'd want snocaps. And get them, without looking at the ingreds.
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Posted on: Tue, 08/01/2006 - 6:06am
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Pastas . . . with the new egg warning. DS had been eating these pastas for 8 years (so maybe 1000 times) with no reaction. Now they slap "facility with egg" or "line with egg". Since I really didn't want to buy it with the warning, we started eating the "safe" or "seemingly safe" Hodgeson Mills Whole Wheat pasta. BLECH! Nobody ate it. Please don't take offense if you like whole wheat pasta, you are definitely eating healthier. Luckily, we now eat a brand that was recommended by the Mom of ds's friend (who has very high egg levels). There is no warning, but I am not calling, not checking, don't want to know, just enjoying eating regular pasta again.

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I bet its 'possibly' x-contam'ed.
But i won't tell you. Enjoy it!! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Tue, 08/01/2006 - 6:25am
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"I'm not listening."
I wish I knew where to find that little icon thingy with the hands over the ears.

Posted on: Tue, 08/01/2006 - 7:30am
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Quote:Originally posted by ceross:
[b]Do you mean going to Maggie Moo's without incident or using Annie's individual-serving micro mac&cheese and finding out it has peanut? That sort of thing?[/b]
Is that true that Annie's individual-serving micro mac & cheese has peanut? I buy the kind in the box that you cook on the stove for my daughter.
ETA: Nevermind! I should've checked their website before asking you this. I noticed they have a "made in a facility" warning for *some* of their products.
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Posted on: Tue, 08/01/2006 - 8:49am
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yes. at christmastime, i always buy the girls hershey's treaures (the toffee version with almonds in it) even though they have nuts (we are only PA but avoid nut products too).
we purchased and allowed these before i realized the "may contain almond " warning bothered me. we had no reactions so i talked myself into believing those particular almonds came from an "almond-only" facility. haha. isn't that the craziest thing??? i never called, never asked....just talked myself into believing that because the girls loved them so much and they'd never had problems with them.
i guess in the back of my mind, i figured a company as big and wellknown as hersheys would have put "may contain treenuts/peanuts" if there was the possibility of the candy containing anything other than almonds that had no possibility of cross contamination. usually they include all treenuts and/or peanuts on their warnings and this particular candy has only an almond warning.
normally, i consider my comfort zone pretty tight but this is one of those weird situations where i have closed my eyes and pretended not to see the "may contain" warning on the label.
i am ashamed to even admit to it...but it's true.

Posted on: Tue, 08/01/2006 - 8:51am
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oh, and yes, i to use the deli chicken (rotisserie) because i "feel" the labelling there is a totally cya thing. i have never seen a nut or nut product (even may contain) anywhere near anything in the deli we sometimes use, esp. near the chicken.

Posted on: Tue, 08/01/2006 - 9:09am
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OOOOO! I've heard this "Annies" mac n cheese in several threads....where do I find it? Just so I can look at the box....

Posted on: Tue, 08/01/2006 - 4:00pm
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MB...We use Annie's Mac & Cheese too. It doesn't have that "glow in the dark" cheese like the "other" brand! Its at the market, right next to that "other" brand!
They have a website: [url="http://www.annies.com"]www.annies.com[/url] if you want to check it out.

Posted on: Tue, 08/01/2006 - 9:43pm
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Quote:Originally posted by joeybeth:
[b]oh, and yes, i to use the deli chicken (rotisserie) because i "feel" the labelling there is a totally cya thing. i have never seen a nut or nut product (even may contain) anywhere near anything in the deli we sometimes use, esp. near the chicken.[/b]
mortadella has nut (usually pistachios, i believe in it). so, if your deli carries it, it probably isn't a cya thing.
my "oops" is dove sensitive soap...has almond oil in it...back to plain old unscented!

Posted on: Wed, 08/02/2006 - 12:37am
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Quote:Originally posted by Corvallis Mom:
It's either that or run away with the gypsies or the circus.
Corvallis Mom, ROFLMBO! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]
If you ever do run away with the gypsies or the circus, can I come? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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pssssst--{looks around furtively}
[i]I live at the circus....[/i]
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i will check into the mortadella (sp??) thing but the deli we use isn't too fancy. just chicken, turkey, roast beef, etc. still, it's worth checking into. also, i don't usually buy the sliced deli meat there; just the rotisserie chicken they sell.
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Quote:Originally posted by Corvallis Mom:
[b]pssssst--{looks around furtively}
[i]I live at the circus....[/i]
[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img][/b]
Me, I'm a gypsy. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
Either that or I live on a hippie commune. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]OOOOO! I've heard this "Annies" mac n cheese in several threads....where do I find it? Just so I can look at the box....[/b]
At my local supermarkets, it's in the organic section. The version I'm referring to specifically is the microwaveable individual serving mac&cheese (sort of their Easy Mac). It's true that it doesn't have that neon orange cheese. I'm not really of fan of mac&cheese but I like the taste of the Annie's. It was a super-convenient food. We used to pack it in DD's box of safe foods at school. Looking back, this product and (hanging my head in shame) the Ritz Bits Cheese crackers may have been what sensitized DD to peanut. I'd never given her peanuts or peanut butter prior to her dx at 2 but I had fed her the mac&cheese and the crackers.

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Quote:Originally posted by ceross:
[b]
Looking back, this product and (hanging my head in shame) the Ritz Bits Cheese crackers may have been what sensitized DD to peanut. I'd never given her peanuts or peanut butter prior to her dx at 2 but I had fed her the mac&cheese and the crackers.[/b]
The following is not presented as scientific fact, just happenstance surrounding my children and the possibly delusional rantings of a guilt ridden mother. I might be reaching. It's just wild guesses.
But my oldest cub was diagnosed at 12 months. He'd never eaten anything like that (annies mac n cheese or ritz crackers) by the time he was diagnosed. Can't remember *ever* having peanut butter or peanut products during the brief period I nursed him either [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] I mean, when we "introduced" peanut butter at [i]12 months[/i].....BAD BAD MOMMY...AND BAD NURSE....[i]I never knew I wasn't supposed to[/i]...he had an all out anaphylactic reaction. (a infintessibly small smidge, almost undetectable on the nib of a saltine cracker. A [i]lick[/i]. His lip touched it. That's it.
But he'd always been a "collicky" baby and plagued with excema. I quit nursing him around 2-3 months of age primarily because by seven weeks he was 21 lbs, ravenous, and honestly? It was going through him faster than I could put it in. (Maybe my breastmilk was especially abundant in lactose. ) He did *superbly* on formula. I mean, just as "well" as on breastmilk, if you measure weight gain, collick, etc...Don't know if that makes sense. I mean, the status quo remained the same. No great improvements, no decline.
We tried a few formulas, including soy, but finally settled into Similiac Low Iron. Bad mommy that I am, he was taking rice cereal by *shock* 2 months. Lots of it. So I wasn't oo woried about not meeting his "Iron" needs, and Iron formula flung him into a documentable, non coincidence tizzy. But If I could redo that, (early introduction of solids) I would, since I felt it packed the weight on him afterwards-I mean, his tremendous weight gain *prior* didn't support the theory that he wasn't "getting enough" from breastmilk *or* formula and needed something more [i]substantial[/i]----oh, how grandma's worry and [i]push[/i].
His weight is fine today, but I think it hindered his physical milestones as an infant and possibly antagonized and exacerbated his general loose jointedness. Possibly with some permanent sequellae.
For some reason, his hips turn outward and he has an alteration in gait. (50+ pounds at a year of age--was extremely tall as well, but hey, not sure if loose joints, or tendons really do well living up to the maximum growth potential---speaking as a tall person with a bad back) Don't know if all that makes sense.
Talk about wanting a "do over" as a mother. Don't get me wrong, but everytime he trips, skins a knee, complains about aching feet, can't walk as fast as everyone else, has difficulty just getting up off the floor or I find those poor floppy hips at an almost impossible angle, I wonder: "Is it because I fed him too early--or too much? Should I have rocked more, (don't know if that was humanly possible [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] ) nursed/offered the bottle less? Will this cause him pain, of whatever sort, later on?
If people are going to suppose they "caused" a food allergy through "maybe" trace exposures, how should *I* feel?? I mean, my "mistake" was measurable. Documentable. Cumulative. Repeatable. Blatant. Against medical advice.
He's five foot eight inches now, and his weight hovers around 135 lbs. Give or take 5.
Adding even more to the guilt is I'm not making the same "mistake" with my daughter. (Didn't have that opportunity with my second son, since he was a control freak about his food from the get go. Skin and bones, I mean. Micromanages every mouthful. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]) But then again, physically, he has no difficulties I know of. Coincidence? Genetics? Fate?
But hey, I've kept her on breastmilk alone and she's four months. Grandma nearly had a [i]cow[/i]. The child is 20 lbs, and I think grandma might *still* have [i]another[/i] cow. I mean, I'm still not rushing into the rice cereal. I'm toying with the idea of starting it soon. For good, I mean. But hey, it's not like she's even [i]remotely[/i] interested in what the rest of the family is cramming into their pie holes at dinner. Although she *is* very observant. And polite. And content.
Anyway. Last month, one day, I satisfied Grandma's need to shovel a spoonful of the liquidy slop (albeit a baby spoonful) into her mouth. Grandma, trying to convince me, said: "See? She's doubled her birthweight, still seems hungry (she does??), and can support her neck!"
First of all, if anyone thought "she still seemed hungry" tha'd be [i]me[/i]. And my boobies. I didn't think so....I mean, she's been teething. Slobbering over your hand teething is [i]different[/i] than knawing it off over hunger. And hey, grandma, being able to [i]swoop[/i] one's head to the left or right isn't exactly [i]supporting it[/i] either. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] It's [i]swooping it[/i]. She [i]swoops[/i] it because she [i]can't turn it smoothly and with control[/i] yet. She's a bobble head still. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
But hey, my daughter couldn't have been any less interested. It's not like the earth moved or anything. So I let grandma squish and slop it around a bit, and then promptly bathed the baby. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
Despite this deliberate deprivation, she still sleeps *through* the night for [b]10 hours[/b]. And then has about 8 or so feedings after that. And she's 20 lbs. Way to go, BOOBIES!! Grandma is starting to [i]really sulk[/i]. She hates being wrong. At least I know where I get it from. Who knows, maybe I should be more sympathetic. Maybe grandma is suffering from her own kind of guilt. But I tell her, "Hey, it's not like I remember *what* you fed me. (lol)"
But grandma is very concerned the baby doesn't *poop* every day. First she was concerned that the baby was *pooping* more than once a day. Fact is, my daughter [i]does poop[/i]. When she is *&^% good and ready. And lots of it. Nice, loose, earthtone *poop* with the slightest hint of an odor. And she does it without a fuss.
But how come it is that *I* know when she's pooped, but no one else does?? Must be [i]that look[/i].
Anyways, [i]guilt[/i]. Life's too short.
But yeah, what another poster said before: "Kids are like pancakes, you always burn the first one."
Guilt guilt guilt.....
General Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. I might be doing it all wrong. I've done it wrong before. Or at least I've been told.

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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] I mean, when we "introduced" peanut butter [/b]
you know what kills me about this? [i]I remember having to buy the peanut butter. It's not like we even kept a jar in the house. I had to shop for it.

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Me too, MB... me too...I bought creamy Skippy. I remember that DH had to [i]specially open the jar[/i] in order to lightly cover the top of that cheerio.... with the same outcome, I might add. (sigh)
I only recall the briefest flash of "Hmmmm.... finals week, I wonder if this was a good morning to try that..." before the [i]screaming started...[/i]
But I rest secure in the knowledge that we were just following our pediatrician's advice... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img]
[i]I mean, TG we didn't listen to that same pediatrician a few weeks later with EGG...[/i] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img]
So there ya go. That and a nickel still won't buy a cup of coffee, right? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
Anyway-- my point is the same as yours (I think) in that we do the best we can with what we know... other than giving her that cheerio, I don't really know what I could/would do differently... and I know in my heart that the outcome wouldn't be any different.

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Quote:Originally posted by Corvallis Mom:
[b]and I know in my heart that the outcome wouldn't be any different.
[/b]
so, been meaning to ask, peanut allergies. You know how some amino acid chains repeat themselves more with each successive generation? Expressivity type of deal. Think PA could be like that? I mean, if there is a genetic link. Like how they say "no one had [i]these kinds[/i] of allergies when I was a kid"....

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..(snapping fingers) you know, trinucleotide repeat expansions.
dynamic/expansion mutation.

Posted on: Thu, 08/03/2006 - 2:37am
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i too, offered pb to my oldest pa child when she was still in her high chair (11months, i believe). just the tiniest smear on the end of my pinky finger. not even enough to "count", really. but...it was enough to count. i'm not in the healthcare profession but i was raised around it my whole life, and should have known better. i still regret it. that was a scary evening...all over one little smudge of pb on the end of a tiny finger and just barely touched to a baby's lips. it wasn't even eaten. just touched.
i did better on the next baby. not pb. no peanut products. nothing. had her tested for fa's at 12 months and she tested higher than her sister for pa. go figure.
mommabear...i love your pancake theory for raising children. that has definitely been the case in my household. oddly, my oldest child is the only one with no serious fa's.

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Quote:Originally posted by joeybeth:
[b]mommabear...i love your pancake theory for raising children. [/b]
aww, shucks, I'm not the originator of the quote. Original credit due to another poster. MeCash, I believe, but I could be wrong.
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
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so, been meaning to ask, peanut allergies. You know how some amino acid chains repeat themselves more with each successive generation? Expressivity type of deal. Think PA could be like that? I mean, if there is a genetic link. Like how they say "no one had [i]these kinds[/i] of allergies when I was a kid"....[/b]
Well, my theory on that one has always been that Darwin sure knew what he was talking about...
after all, a deleterious gene combo [i]in the absence of adaptive measures[/i] is not passed on. So type I diabetes was uncommon until treatments existed for it. Same with hemophilia. Why would atopy be any different? Those severely affected probably died in early childhood from malnutrition, asthma, lung infections, or severe skin infections. As treatments improved, we managed to live to adulthood. [i]Thank you albuterol and steroids![/i] I mean, really-- How many of us on this site required treatment with a modern medical intervention before we were six or seven [i]for an atopic condition?[/i]
Is it any surprise that the more severly affected by atopy you are, the more likely you are to find a soulmate/life partner who also carries those genes? Nobody else is very tolerant of your favorite accessory, Kleenex. Or understands why you are so "picky" and "fastidious" about things that have no impact on non-atopic people...
Anyway. So no, I don't think it is a big surprise that more and more very highly atopic kids are around. I suspect that something in our environment is triggering the genetic potential, but that is a total mystery as well-- it could turn out to be something as bizarre as DES, you know? Something that affects the next generation.
This would explain why heretofor latent genes suddenly got turned on in a big way in the industrialized world around the time of widespread synthetic materials and petroleum use... the plastics/petrochemical industries are literally [i]filled[/i] with sensitizers that are extremely potent. Maybe we're just the canaries in the coal mine, eh? But that is my personal soapbox... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
Everyone has a crackpot theory about something, don't they? Now ya'll know mine!
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oh, I completely get what you are saying CM, but my great grandmother *did* manage to raise 12 children without incident. And without a major hospital or EMS service. Had them all at home. You'd think *one* of them would have Asthma, or a LTFA, but hey, no record of it, and they all lived long lives, except for a daughter with Hodgkins.... You'd think she would have died in childbirth (although she did die three months after my grandmother was born from "pneumonia", although my personal theory is cardiomyopathy of pregnancy, but I digress.
My father's oldest brother died at age 18 from smallpox, when my father was [i]in utero[/i] but, hey, not sure how great your chances are today, nearly 88 years later, KWIM?
So, Modern Medicine, a marvel? Sometimes, I wonder from my end. (no advice, not against it, no, not at all, just wonder if people put too much faith in all the "king's men" and not enough into preventative measures. Do you think they *still* might look back on "modern medicine" today and say: "GET OUT!!! They used to do THAT???"?
And just know children still succumb to LTFA today. And Asthma. (shaking head)
But yeah, reproducing. It probably has a lot to do with it, but I'm of the belief no one 'theory' will account for it entirely. KWIM?
LOL (from a geek who is into procreation) [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
~no advice, just personally.

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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]But yeah, reproducing. It probably has a lot to do with it, but I'm of the belief no one 'theory' will account for it entirely. KWIM? [/b]
Definately. Because there's still the factors that
-there are a gazillion more people now, so an increase is only natural
-PA kids, before epi came around, probably died well before their 3rd birthdays (an offshoot of corvallis mom's darwin idea)
-the wealth of chemicals industries have so lovingly distributed throughout all the air and water (i.e. PCB's in Antarctica)
-the whole "feed solids or not" debate
etc. etc. but I do think that the theory you have probably does fit in there too.

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Here's my list:
Found out that Tofutti Cuties makes a PB flavor=no more Cuties
Found out that Cetaphil moisturizer contains nut oil=decided to use something else
Found out that favorite Mexican restaurant has peanut mole and cooks the tortillas in peanut oil (refined)=we don't eat there anymore
Found out that frozen burrito is processed in a facility with nuts (but not peanuts)=we still eat them
I just go with my gut on these things. I don't really have any other way of deciding what to do! BTW none of the above caused reactions.
Cathy
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Posted on: Mon, 07/31/2006 - 2:58pm
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Do you mean going to Maggie Moo's without incident or using Annie's individual-serving micro mac&cheese and finding out it has peanut? That sort of thing?

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Quote:Originally posted by ceross:
[b]Do you mean going to Maggie Moo's without incident or using Annie's individual-serving micro mac&cheese and finding out it has peanut? That sort of thing?[/b]
either. the whole spectrum. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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Recently found out a couple of products we've used for years are either made in a facility or made on shared but washed lines. I never checked before because we've used them a thousand times without incident and out of laziness I guess but now we've discontinued use.
This is because of the young ages of my children (1, 3 and 5) and the reality check I had when ds#2 developed PA and TNA with no known exposure. 1) I have to think something we're using is the likely culprit and 2) I have a 3rd child I hope to avoid exposing and 3) I have no clue how sensitive ds#2 is but if he can become a class 3 and 4 from trace exposure I have to think it's possible a real exposure would potentially send him off the charts.
So for now, at least until the boys are older, I've tightened my comfort zone again.
Luvmyboys

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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
Does just the spector of a possible faux pas dictate your lifestyle or choices, despite current circumstances/past performance, or does anything else figure into the picture? *Should* anything else figure into the picture?
No, I don't think it dictates my life.
If we use something, and its deemed 'safe' (in our books), and something comes out that says 'It MAY not be safe' or 'It isn't safe' we'd weigh the pros/cons and move on.
Dictate, though? No.
Jason
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Posted on: Tue, 08/01/2006 - 1:53am
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Is this about that gosh darn deli chicken? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]
Jason, hi! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Quote:Originally posted by jtolpin:
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If we use something, and its deemed 'safe' (in our books), and something comes out that says 'It MAY not be safe' or 'It isn't safe' we'd weigh the pros/cons and move on.
[/b]
That's what I do too.
I do remember the first time I ever saw a label change. I was eating my favorite Nestle Sno-Caps at the musical Showboat. I think I was 11 or 12. I casually flipped the box over to read it, not for the ingredients but because I usually read everything on a box (the cereal games, the calories, the "made in battlecreek michigan), and at the bottom of the ingredients was PEANUTS.
I was really excited, because this was the first time my mother or I experienced a change in labelling for x-contamination. We didn't know why they'd put that there, and I just assumed that meant I outgrew the allergy. I stopped eating them that day, and when my mom called she got the shared lines/facility info and my dreams were crushed. Haven't had them since. Fannie May does make an impressive alternative (with no warning, other items have warnings so I'm not too concered), but who wants to pay $7 for candy that will last you 2 days at most? So I've just given up.

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Ann used to eat snocaps ALL the time, at the movies (she called them 'toe caps')
Nestle's -- US variety.
Non-pareils.
Havent touched them in a LONG while... because we dont go to the movies anymore [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Jason
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Ohhhh.....this is about the bulk foods thing, isn't it? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]
Well-- I certainly don't advocate doing so to anyone else.
But we tend to rationalize it if we have no alternative. If it caused a rxn, we'd eliminate it, [i]of COURSE[/i] but if it doesn't.... well, we know it is a risk, but on the grand scale of things, I put it up there with going to the movies or a playground or anywhere else in public. KWIM? If it were PA alone, I might do it differently. But with MFA, you learn to live in the grey areas. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img] Or you don't live at all.
RATIONALIZATION.
That's what we do once we've decided it is a risk we probably have to take.

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Not bulk foods. They come in boxes. There bulk foods in the movies nowadays AFAIK, but I wouldnt buy THOSE. With the sharing of spoons, etc... NOT my comfy zone.
NOTE: we may (or may not) be talking about the same (or different) views on movies, bulk items, and surf boards. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Jason
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No, J, I was just in my own sly way pointing out that all of us probably have one (or more!) of those guilty "secrets" that we can't quite explain rationally but do anyway...
like CSC with her deli chicken...
me with my bulk foods...
Which is what leads us all eventually to just shrug and say IMMV. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
It's either that or run away with the gypsies or the circus.

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