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Posted on: Mon, 01/13/2003 - 9:29am
MommaBear's picture
Joined: 09/23/2002 - 09:00

shameless, aren't I?
but seriously, I suspect a lot of people aren't responding since maybe there is some conflict between how they wish PA to be handled and how they wish smoking or alcohol use handled in relation to the public. I could be wrong. On a personal level, I have found that removing myself emotionally from a situation sometimes changes my feelings about it.

Posted on: Mon, 01/13/2003 - 11:12am
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Joined: 05/28/2009 - 16:42

Erik is so right on his post, if what ever you do has no neg. effects on someone else, then fine, when it starts affecting other people neg. w/o their control then its a problem!
[This message has been edited by Cam's Mom (edited January 13, 2003).]

Posted on: Mon, 01/13/2003 - 1:33pm
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Joined: 04/28/2000 - 09:00

'Though there are some similarities to be drawn between public peanut consumption and public tobacco &/or alcohol consumption, I think it's hard to get a truly valid comparison: not all in society are affected by peanut use, but most (if not all) ARE affected by tobacco &/or alcohol use (& abuse).
My .02-worth.

Posted on: Tue, 01/14/2003 - 2:29am
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Joined: 03/26/2002 - 09:00

I dont smoke , but my parents, brother and sister all smoke.
My parents have always been very heavy smokers, and all of them also have asthma. Even some of my non -smoking uncles have asthma, so its in the family and still they smoke.
But i cant condem there little drug habit, i find i go home and relax slightly when they light up and i breathe in the fug!! Dosent that sound horrible!!!
years ago I used to beg my driving instructor to light up so that i could relax while learning to drive. !!!
Both my grandfathers died of smoking induced cancer. One when in hospital with throat cancer met his long lost brother in the next bed with lung cancer, they died a month apart after . They both smoked there first ciggies together as children, grew up argued over something they couldnt remember and lost each other for 20 years.
My next question is " how many of you smoke bob hope"?
and If I smoked ciggies do you think I would be the thin member of my family , rather than being the only fat one?
bye sarah

Posted on: Wed, 01/15/2003 - 2:32pm
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Momma Bear, I apologize, I only got through the second half of the second page but saw that you had some questions that you asked of a smoker so thought I'd answer those (even if the topic has progressed since then).
Do you smoke in public?
Yes, I do. Where I live now, there are smoking designated areas in places such as coffee shops. Bans are now being enforced in restaurants, etc. Most establishments are smoke free and I do comply with those bans.
Do you smoke at home?
Yes, I smoke at home, outside.
Do you smoke in your car?
I don't drive and I don't have a car. Should I ever learn how to drive at this age [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img] I can't imagine trying to navigate the wheel, two kids in the backseat and a cigarette in my hand.
Do you believe "non-smoking" sections (in general) effectively contain the smoke??
No, I don't believe they do. The coffee/donut shop at the corner of my street recently took away two smoking tables. However, the tables that they made "smoke free" are right beside the smoking section or actually, right in the smoking section. No, the non-smoking sections do not effectively contain the smoke.
Also, I'll use the donut shop example again.
Have you ever purchased a donut, as a non-smoker in a donut shop and you could smell the cigarette smoke on the donut or taste it? I certainly have and it is disgusting.
Are you over 18?
Yes, I'm definitely twice over 18. I'm not clear, I think you have to be 19 in our province to smoke but I may be mistaken. I actually didn't start smoking until the legal age (just had to do everything *right* and *proper* Momma Bear [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] )
Do you believe smoking and second hand smoke has a detrimental effect on your health and on the heath of others?
Yes, of course.
Do you enjoy smoking?
Yes, I do.
Is it relaxing?
Yes, it is.
Is there some benefit you derive from it?
Stress relief that could probably be gained from other sources but not as quickly and easily (but of course with less health risks involved).
Would you catagorize yourself as a smoker?
Yes, but a polite one.
Do you know anyone with Asthma?
Yes, both of my children are asthmatic.
Does your smoking affect your performance athletically?
I'm not athletic, but I imagine that yes, it would affect my performance. I have also noticed that now when I catch a cold, it goes directly to my chest and I do believe that is connected to smoking. I have also been told by many G.P.'s that my chronic sinus infections are due to smoking although the ENT that examined me last told me that I was the first smoker ever that he couldn't tell was one just by looking in my nose.
Do you mind the restrictions placed on smokers?
Yes and no. Only because I have that *thing* that I can't smoke on the street (ladies don't do that [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img] ) and it's the dead of winter here and I would just love to sit down and have a cup of coffee somewhere and relax for all of the ten minutes that it takes to smoke the filthy things. However.
Although non-smoking accommodations (if you will) are just now being made where I live, they were in place in Toronto quite some time ago and I managed to live with it. I respect the fact that I have a filthy, dirty habit that can actually cause someone else to get cancer (not sure if I worded that correctly) and that I should be isolated from others.
Seriously. Of course, 15 years ago, I was a member of a group called Smokers' Rights. How I've changed [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img]
Would you support legislation on a ban of tobacco and the sale of tobacco products in your state, province, or country? Why or why
I'm not clear about this one. As far as I understand it, my country has decriminalized marijuana within the last couple of weeks and I also have great difficulty with the sale of alcohol and the repercussions alcohol has on our society and our families. So, no, I'm not clear about this one.
Do I ask to many questions?
Can't help you with that one because until now, I have been the person that asks too many questions here! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Wed, 01/15/2003 - 2:39pm
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Anonymous (not verified)

Sorry, just saw (after reading the last of page 2 and page 3) the alcohol survey. See, my answers would be totally different there.
It's interesting, isn't it?
(river, in my ever needing to be liked mode, does that mean you hate me or is it okay that I'm smoking outside and talk to Jesse about his PA without a cigarette in my hand. I do have to say this though, again, I'm a polite smoker so if we ever did have the opportunity to meet, you wouldn't know, except for the smell on my clothes, that I was a smoker. Most people actually don't know that I smoke).
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 01/16/2003 - 12:29am
MommaBear's picture
Joined: 09/23/2002 - 09:00

Cindy, thank you for addressing further questions [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
You answered the following question:
"Would you support legislation on a ban of tobacco and the sale of tobacco products in your state, province, or country? Why or why
I'm not clear about this one. As far as I understand it, my country has decriminalized marijuana within the last couple of weeks and I also have great difficulty with the sale of alcohol and the repercussions alcohol has on our society and our families. So, no, I'm not clear about this one."
I guess the sentiment I am trying to convey is this: What we are asking of society with peanut products may be what other groups are asking of society of other products which, like smoking can appear more serious. Do we seem understanding of those requests? Do we respect others feelings regarding them? Or are we so wrapped up in our own concerns and needs that we fail to be as considerate of others as we would desire for ourselves? Are we asking too much? If we applied our requests (regarding PA) to other substances that bring up such "issues", what kind of world would we live in. Would it even be realistic to do?
As to why I ask the question "Are you over eighteen?" It was to point out that yes, individuals over eighteen do not always do the "safe" thing, pay attention to warnings, or the health of themselves or others around them. Yes, in spite of many admonisions, facts, and research, many of us still "do what we want". (In light of references to expectations of individuals who are at what some in society deems to be an adult (at least in chronological years).
[This message has been edited by MommaBear (edited January 16, 2003).]
[This message has been edited by MommaBear (edited January 16, 2003).]

Posted on: Thu, 01/16/2003 - 3:10pm
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Joined: 05/28/2009 - 16:42

I know that I'm really slow, but Lord knows I didn't realize I was THIS slow! I was just working on a something regarding PA and trying to draft a letter regarding how PA affects people and their parents, trying to make people see what a small sacrafice it is to not have peanuts around my son for such a short period of time, i.e. school lunches, family dinners, etc.
I was trying to show them how our "over-protectiveness" and "irrational behavior" isn't really too much considering other things society asks for, and it popped into my head that smoking is one of those things that people (non-smokers) get real upset about...(Non-smoker's I'm a very polite smoker, and respect other peoples choices to the fullest, even in my own home) But my point (thinking) was 2nd hand smoke lingering in the air at say a rest. is very short term, and in my opinion not dangerous, so if all this can be eliminated and banned from all the public places, why oh why can't people respect our wishes for much less accomadations regarding peanuts/pnut products!
Then it hit me...That's what MommaBears whole survey is trying to get at. Or atleast that is what I was thinking, anyway!
Had to post this late night lightbulb! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Sorry I rambled!

Posted on: Mon, 01/20/2003 - 9:16pm
MommaBear's picture
Joined: 09/23/2002 - 09:00

PANIC. The thread was almost off the main page!!!
In addition to Cam's Mom, do people have any ideas to why this thread is pertinent to PA? I probably would be very surprised as to how it is perceived. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Mon, 01/20/2003 - 10:59pm
becca's picture
Joined: 05/22/2001 - 09:00

The big and finacially backed promotion of the product as a source of pleasure, flavor and enjoyment, and with financial interest well vested in keeping the product everywhere. becca


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