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Posted on: Fri, 01/10/2003 - 3:51am
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River,
"Barebones honesty" presented with loving concern....... A talent to be envied. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Another survey question: (To all)
One more modification in the alcohol survey: In addition to "Do you drink in your car"..................the following can be added: "Have you ever operated a motor vehicle after drinking? How long after drinking? How much did you drink?"
The smoking survey is still up for grabs!! (I am soooooooooooooo disorganized)

Posted on: Fri, 01/10/2003 - 5:40am
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I doubt I will get all the "alcohol" questions.. but here goes:
I do drink, about 1 beer a day.. sometimes 2. I like good beer and a recent article in the Washington Post verifies that I am a light drinker and am quite healthy. I'd be horrified if our country attempted to go into another prohibition. Silly to even have to explain why, if you read my response on tobacco.
My Uncle and his wife are both recovering alcoholics (16+ years for my Uncle). They come to family gatherings and occassional parties and do not seem offended or disturbed or in pain or wanton agony being in the same room as a bunch of folks all drinking or even drunk. They don't complain about feeling tempted to drink or give anyone the third degree about drinking or how much they've had, because none of us get stupid drunk... very occasionally inebriated, but not stupid, blind, staggering, three sheets to the wind drunk.
I would classify my husband as borderline alcoholic and I nag him to cut back or quit, but it gets nowhere but into a raging argument that I'd rather save for a later point when I can prove to him HOW it's effecting our relationship (other than him being somewhat worthless when it comes to the kids and smelling like a brewery even when he wakes up, and if you ask me, that's NOT attractive and certainly effects our intimacy issues. Yuck.)
"Do you drink in your car?" Not a CHANCE!
"Have you ever operated a motor vehicle after drinking? How long after drinking? How much did you drink?" When I was 16, I got stupid drunk and attempted (yes.. attempted) to drive home. About 1/4 of a mile down a residential street, I could not tell where my car was and pulled over and passed out. I have never, ever, ever driven in what I would define an even moderately tipsy state since. I will, however, drive into DC for a concert.. drink 1 cranberry vodka at 10pm and drive home after 2am with no qualms whatsoever. I always volunteer for my friends and family to be the "designated driver" when we go dancing or to a show, because I can't trust anyone else to not drink, and I dance like a moron when I've had too much to drink.. plus, who likes to actually be inebriated enough to think that moron over there staring at you is actually CUTE and not the gross, disgusting barscum that he really IS?
I like to drink, I don't like to be drunk. I won't drive drunk, I won't let people drink in my car. And I tell everyone who is not spanish, don't drink TaKillYa, cuz that's what it'll do to you if you ain't spanish. :0

Posted on: Fri, 01/10/2003 - 12:55pm
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Okay, now the alcohol questions...
No, I'm not a drinker, DH is a recovered alcoholic, been married 12 yrs, and the 1st 4 yrs were hell, he probably drinks once a yr. now...
Do I know any alcoholics, yes, my husband and my 16 yr. old step daughter.
I vehemently oppose drinking and driving, I think people that get arrested for DUI more than once should be charge w/ attempted manslaughter, why wait till they kill someone...once can be a mistake, twice is just plain stupid and selfish.
Yes, I would enjoy a drink once in awhile, I have no problem with people drinking, when my brother comes for a visit, he drinks here, not staggering drunk, just a few beers, I don't keep it in the house otherwise, but don't have a problem with someone drinking, only b/c it doesn't bother DH, I don't drink, b/c our older children have seen enough of the negative effects and would just prefer they not have to worry that mom (or stepmom) is fixing to get wasted too. My two younger children have NEVER seen me w/a drink and my two older children have seen me drink once. When I turned 21 and just had to go buy a beer just cause I could (remember that feeling?)
I agree totally w/Smack on the comparison issue....Everyone is affected by different things in a different way...I have had a horrible experience w/alcohol and what it does to families, I have always been very opposed to drinking and driving even as a teenager, I've always felt it was the most selfish thing a person could do...But Smack is very right-Example: A person who is living w/a crack addict may think the situation I deal with is nothing compared to their problem w/crack...So yes, Smack, it's true, one issue really isn't as bad as another when compared by different people (atleast I think this is how u meant what u said.)
Just another note to add why I hate the affects alcohol has on some people, my 16 yr old step daughter over dosed on alcohol 2 weeks before Christmas, she almost died, in fact she quit breathing and had the kids who got her to the ER had been 5 mins. later, she would have died....This is why I think alcohol & drugs is so much more damaging and more of a problem to teens than cigerettes.
I've also had both parents die from smoking, father from lung cancer (when I was 12) and mother from complications of emphysema 8 yrs ago, and I am very embarrassed to admit that I did start smoking, very stupid, but yes I did do it.....You'd think that a person who had to deal w/the death of 2 parents at such an early age wouldn't begin to think to puff. I started smoking when I was 17 and am now 31, have quit several times off and on, usually stress will make me light one back up, so I plan on quitting when my two teenagers leave home, one's 16 (this month) and one will be 18 in May...so I figure I have 2 more yrs (then my 10 yr old will be hitting that wonderful preteen age...oh boy, excuses, excuses... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] )
Anyway, MommaBear, HTH!
Lana

Posted on: Sun, 01/12/2003 - 1:24pm
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FYI - Article in today's paper re- alcohol & health issues
[url="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20030111/FC11ALCO/Comment/comment/comment_temp/6/6/9/"]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/A...ent_temp/6/6/9/[/url]

Posted on: Sun, 01/12/2003 - 1:33pm
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I startet smoking with age 15 and i stopt when my wife was Pregnant with Michael and this is now 8 Years ago and it was a good reason to but there was only one proplem :: i gaint 40 pounds on wait thins then ,hey i guess you cant have everything
god bless thomas
hey is my Englisch getting better ???
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Posted on: Sun, 01/12/2003 - 11:49pm
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(Shamelessly re-raising this thread)
Thomas! Thank you for your input. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Erick, thank you for the link!
MommaBear

Posted on: Mon, 01/13/2003 - 12:56am
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" [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]"
(Cool way of re-raising, Erik)

Posted on: Mon, 01/13/2003 - 1:42am
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thanks [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Mon, 01/13/2003 - 1:47am
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Don't mention it. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Mon, 01/13/2003 - 7:54am
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Well, MommaBear raised this thread for some more postings and no one is posting much so I thought I'd add my two cents:
Re- smoking:
I believe that there should be smoke free zones (ie: workplace, movie theatres, buses, etc). If someone else chooses to fill their lungs with carcinogens and toxins it is their choice, but why should I have to breathe them too.
However, if someone wants to smoke it is their choice. I do not think it should be made illegal. If you want to smoke in your own house or outside then that is fine with me.
Smokers have the right to smoke, but I also have the right to breathe clean air at work, at the shopping centre, etc.
My grandfather died of lung cancer after smoking for 30 years when I was 3 so I never knew him, so you can see why I have never tried a cigarette before.
Re- alcohol-
I believe that alcohol (in moderation) has no negative effect (unless you are predispositioned to alcoholism). In fact, as I posted above in my link, there are beneficial effects to occasional drinking for some people. In my case, I rarely drink (maybe once a month). I prefer Tropicana orange juice [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
However, too much alcohol causes serious problems. Drinking and driving, spousal abuse, etc...
So in summary:
If you smoke or drink and it does not cause a negative effect on others, I think it is fine. But once you start to affect others (second hand smoke, drunk driving, etc) that's where I draw the line.
Just my opinion. Feel free to agree or disagree. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
(p.s. MommaBear will be happy.. this thread hit 3 pages now!)
[This message has been edited by erik (edited January 13, 2003).]

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