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Who among us smokes?

On Jan 6, 2003

C'mon, humor me. Are you all that suspicious i'd turn this thing around on you????? hehe.

On Jan 6, 2003

I smoked for many years and am happy to say that I quit over a year ago and never looked back.

Take care,

Katiee

On Jan 6, 2003

Why do you ask?

On Jan 6, 2003

Well, I smoked 20 a day for about 7 years - until today! You pick a great day to ask!! Have my trusty NiQuintin CQ patch on me, and for the past 6 hours, so far so good!

On Jan 6, 2003

Never have..

Jaime

On Jan 6, 2003

Nope, not me. I have had asthma all my life, so smoking was never an option.

On Jan 6, 2003

Momma Bear, now this *should* have been placed in Off Topic, unless you are trying to co-relate smoking with PA (I think you know why I'm telling you where you thread *should* have been placed [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] )

At any rate, you've already got Lisa M. totally freaked out by even asking the question so perhaps you don't need any answers.....

Everyone here already knows. I smoke. Yes, I have the disgusting filthy habit that no one wants to admit that they have. I actually haven't had a cigarette in 24 hours but that seems to be the way of the world these days with the disgusting things priced like gold.

I have smoked for 25 years now (started at 18) and I did quit for a six year period between 1988 and 1994. I re-started again after a really tramatic 1994.

Since both children are asthmatic, I do smoke outside though, something which no one believes.

Was it on my resolution list this year to quit? No.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Jan 6, 2003

Cindy, you may be on to something! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] I was thinking the same thing about this maybe being correlated with peanut allergy and smoking, which was why it was not placed in the OT section.

Okay, mommabear, I'll bite... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] I was a 2 pack a day smoker (menthol no less) and quit cold turkey 14 years ago which was prior to getting pregnant with my 1st child who is NOT peanut allergic and 3 1/2 years later, I had my son who has PA.

------------------ Stay Safe!

Connie

On Jan 6, 2003

Non smoker at the moment (was contemplating starting this weekend, after reading some posts, but my my ears started smoking instead [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] )

For me it's been around 6 or 7 years since I quit.

On Jan 6, 2003

I smoked from age 16 until about 21, I'm now 38.

On Jan 6, 2003

Just dropping in on my thread. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] I'll give it a little longer to "pan out". My oh My. Do I raise that much suspicion?

Cindy,

Hugs to you for smoking outside. More than anyone, I would believe it from you. Not that I advocate smoking, but I, as a human being myself, understand we all have baggage and there is none perfect, eh? Everyone comes with baggage. It's not the baggage that matters, but how we carry it. Or how we help others to carry it. And...................OH YES, I AM DEFINITELY GOING SOMEWHERE WITH THIS. PEANUT RELATED, BUT NOT LIMITED TO. OH, THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS. hehe. Unfortunately, I am sleep deprived at the moment and need to take down my Christmas tree [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] And it is MY tree. Down to the last ornament. MINE, I TELL YOU, ALLLLLLLLLL MINE. I am the only one capable of doing it correctly. (off on a tangent here,------------I wrap the ornaments in tissue paper so we can "open" them the following Christmas and remember those who gave them to us fondly. Or remember what we were doing when we bought them. It's my favorite part.) As able and innovative as my hubby is, I wouldn't DREAM of letting him do it. LOL. (Did I forget to mention "nimble"????)

To those who have quit: BRAVO!!!! As an CCU nurse, I can only tell you that you just laid 1,000,000 watts of light on your future! I won't go into it here, but you would never believe the unthinkable things it does to your body, and those around you. Lungs are the tip of the iceberg.

To those who never touched cigarettes, pipes, cigars, chaw, or tobacco in any form: You are better than me. I probably smoked less than a carton in my day. (Thank my controlling nature for avoiding getting hooked) Congratulations in the biggest way! You are the better for it.

Enough said for now, I let this thread "mature" abit.

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On Jan 6, 2003

Never smoked a day in my life... Never been around smokers either. Except for my uncle who smoked Gitanes (French cigs. totally unfiltered, the worst kind). When I was 6 years old, he let me "take a puff" on his Gitane. I coughed for 48 hours, and have never tried it since then.

Hubby smoked just a little when we met, and he quit right away. He only smoked in his car, while sitting in traffic. No one from my side of the family smokes.

On Jan 6, 2003

I don't smoke. My mom did all my life, until she died in 1994 - from oral cancer. It was a horrific thing to witness.

To those of you contemplating quitting, please do... if not for yourself, for those around you who love you.

On Jan 6, 2003

I smoked from 1983-1993. I quit when I became pregnant with my 8 y/o (no food allergies). I didn't start up again. My 6 y/o is the one with multiple food allergies. Andrea

On Jan 6, 2003

I never have. I grew up in a family where my father smoked all day and all night. I hated it. I couldn't wait to grow up and have my own house with my own rules...Now I am married with two children and no one is allowed to smoke in my house, including my father.

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On Jan 6, 2003

I smoked for many years and quit about 16 years ago. Haven't had one since.

Amy

On Jan 6, 2003

It was just a question.

On Jan 6, 2003

Never have even tried. Both parents smoked when I was young. DH did (outside, too) when we first met - and for about 2 years after that. At the price of them now - I'm sure glad he doesn't anymore! mae

On Jan 6, 2003

Never, and neither of my parents did either.

On Jan 6, 2003

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Originally posted by Syd's Mom: [b]Non smoker at the moment (was contemplating starting this weekend, after reading some posts, but my my ears started smoking instead [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] ) [/b]

LOL! Now I've gotta go read what all the fuss was about on this board over the weekend . . .

EB

PS -- Answering question, light smoker until age 30 -- gave myself the 30th birthday present of QUITTING. That was more than a decade ago. So far, so good. PA child born 8 years after I quit smoking. Just wish now I had quit PBJ's too. . . but that's for another thread. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

On Jan 6, 2003

Oh this is a funny thread [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Why, I have no idea but probably my worped sense of humour.

I started with rolling my Dad's Viceroy(sp?)cigs in toilet paper to sneak them out of the bathroom where he always left them. In grade 7, and smoking(not inhaling...honest)under portables at schools after hours [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Well, never did inhale but never started smoking till later in high school. I remember though grade 9 science, I volunteered to smoke a cigarette and blow it through a mesh cloth. Oh, the nicotine that remained and discoloured the cloth was enough(but not enough obviously)to make us all gag. Oh, and everyone had a great laugh at me coughing up blood after...ok not blood but coughing my brains out.

I'm just turned 39 and everyone smoked when I was 16, or older. I have a older brother and sister and hung around a lot of their friends and they all smoked. I would go to my brother's hockey games every Fri, and Saturday and everyone went out after and smoked.

I quit the day of starting my in-vitro medicine treatments and stopped for 2 years after twins were born. Started again but never smoked inside, never smoked in front of kids, and quit again (hopefully forever)2 years ago this Feb 2 COLD TURKEY...GOBBLE GOBBLE.

Everyone has the will power to do what they want to. I did this not for me but the agony of watching that little boy on the commercial talk about his Dad not being there anymore because he died because he smoked. I did it for the fact I know my twins will never find another Mom like me who loves them more than anyone could ever love another human being. I did it for my dh who had a Dad who smoked and smoked till the lung cancer made him so delirious that he couldn't pick up another cigarette.

I still consider myself a smoker though, I loved smoking, and heck I didn't quit for me I quit for those I love and isn't that for the right reason? I have to say though, I let myself gain 25 pounds after quitting, and then after lost it after by working out every day 6 days a week(something I would have never done if I still smoked).

It's never to late to quit. I remember the Doctor telling my FIL that they could have operated if he was willing to work with them and quit smoking. They never took him seriously because he refused.

I have no friends that smoke. All of them have quit. Whenever I see someone that smokes, I think they look odd, and so do I when edging up to get a whiff and walk away with a smile of bliss on my face....I just love that smell once in a while [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

P.S. my Dad who started smoking at age (what probably 11)quit when he was 50 and had to have quadruple by-pass. He is now 67 and golfing during the summer and playing pool in the winter and tells me he hopes he never comes back from vacation again and finds a ashtray outside on my front porch.

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On Jan 6, 2003

So glad that I never started because I probably wouldn't be able to give it up! Both of my parents were smokers...I always hated it and would hide my mother's cigarettes. My Mom has probably smoked for close to 50 years! Her father smoked unfiltered cigarettes for his whole life. He died at 87 but never so much as had a smoker's cough.

This is really gross. When we were kids we would play a game called, "Ash Lady". One of us would dip a finger in an ash tray and then chase the others. When you tagged them, they would become the ash lady or ash man. Eewwwwwww!

On Jan 6, 2003

PattyR - TOO funny!!! I used to cut the ends off of my mom's cigarettes when she wasn't looking. Never did it to dad , for some reason. Would she ever get mad! I used to hide her packs and lighters, too! mae [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jan 6, 2003

I smoked for 9 years from age 15 til my 24th birthday. I quit as a birthday present to myself cold turkey. It's been almost 14 years and the best thing I ever did. BTW, I am the WORST reformed smoker. I hate the smell of smoke.

Karen

PS I quit 8 years before my pa son was born.

On Jan 6, 2003

Nope, I have not smoked either

- Sarah

On Jan 6, 2003

I have never smoked.

My grandfather died of lung cancer (after smoking 30+ years) when I was 3 years old so I never knew him.

I hope those of you who do smoke will be able to quit in 2003 to ensure that you will be around in the future so your grandchildren will have the opportunity to know you one day.

On Jan 6, 2003

Well, Momma Bear, I'm actually quite embarrassed to be the only one that is still smoking that has responded in your thread (and probably the only person still smoking on the board since you got a great response [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] ). Embarrassed, but that's about it. I know I shouldn't do it and why I shouldn't. I think I'm a very considerate smoker and don't smoke around non-smokers. And, this is good for a laugh, I think. I was always told that *ladies* didn't smoke on the street (this would have been something my Mother's age was taught and she's also a smoker). So, guess who doesn't smoke on the street ever? No, I wait until I can hide 'round back of the house.

So, am I really the only one? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

Katiee, congrats, I remember when you had posted about wanting to quit. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Jan 6, 2003

Mommabear: I initially came into this thread to answer your question...I don't want to turn this thread "confrontational", so please know that I am trying to be as tactful as possible. I am willing to take any flames I may get for this.

I understand that emotions are running high and patience is running low. (I am just catching up today), however I can't let this go:

Maybe I am wrong, but I didn't know that anyone "owned" the threads on this board. I thought this was a discussion board. Once a question is posed, the thread is out there for anyone. If you don't like what a poster has to say, answer them or ignore them, but please rethink telling them to get out of "your" thread. If I was new to this board and read this thread (it is on the Main Discussion board, no less, so it is pretty visable), I would assume that this was a "cliquey (sp?) group and would never want to post here.

I know that is not true, and that you have helped many on this board. You also have a sharp wit...but please rethink that statement, it will probably scare off the wrong people.

Take care,

Kelly

P.S. I used to smoke a pack a day in college. (I now have a talent called "chipping". I can smoke a bunch of cigarettes out with the girls tomorrow and not have the urge to smoke again for years.)

On Jan 6, 2003

Kelly,

Your words are tactfull and well thought out. Glad you are on the board. I have a tendency to ramble and get "off topic". Several times when I posted before, folk had pointed out I was either in the wrong thread, posting in the wrong topic, or not answering the questioned posed. It was indicated in a few threads that if I was not going to stay on topic or respond to the question I was hindering the answer and was requested not to post in topics I was not going contribute effectively to. It seemed to me that some people did "own threads". No hard feelings, though. (Just an FYI) Nevertheless, despite this I still tend to ramble. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jan 6, 2003

Lol MommaBear [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

I have never smoked. Never plan to, either.

Hubby on the other hand, has smoked for YEARS. Started when he was about 13, I think...and now he's getting close to 52.

However he has gone from a pack and a half a day to two, all because of what happened to us last year. In our area a weird tropical fungus was growing in the trees, and infecting people's lungs. DH had a chest cold on a Friday, and by the Monday he couldn't even walk. His chest was so full of the fungus and infection that he couldn't breathe. I took him to the hospital in full repiratory distress. He ended up in the ICU for a week and came very close to dying. At first the doctors attributed it to his smoking...so guess what I did? I went home and broke every single cigarette in an ENTIRE carton (worth about $75 here in Canada) and flushed them. It was good therapy. This of course was AFTER I walked into the hospital to where I had left him the night before, and his bed was gone. He'd been moved to ICU. I watched my rock, the man I love, lay there hooked up to every machine they had.

I can't stress enough what it does to a person to walk into the room where your soul mate WAS, and see that bed empty. I honestly thought I was going to lose him.

After that I vowed to never buy him cigarettes again, and I told him how affected I was by that experience. He now smokes only 2 cigarette a day max, and in private...NEVER around me or our son. He is vowing to quit those too. The interesting thing is that it wasn't even the smoking that made him sick, it was the fungus. I'm not a militant non-smoker, but I tell ya-you can't go through something like that and NOT be affected.

On Jan 6, 2003

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Originally posted by Cindy Spowart Cook: [b]Well, Momma Bear, I'm actually quite embarrassed to be the only one that is still smoking that has responded in your thread (and probably the only person still smoking on the board since you got a great response [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] ). Embarrassed, but that's about it. I know I shouldn't do it and why I shouldn't.

So, am I really the only one? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] [/b]

[After spending 1 1/2 hours reading the now-infamous thread in Intro section, I'm only going to hop in & post here, where it's much calmer.]

Cindy S-C,(Oh-brave-soul-to-admit-still-smoking) -- You are working so hard to see that your children live long, safe, healthy lives -- you simply amaze me at the amount of time you spend on them and on PA issues. You're just one precious gem, you are. I don't think I need to tell you that you just have to get *yourself* to recognize your own worth & then treat yourself accordingly.

BTW, I am just so glad you've stayed on this board.

EB

On Jan 7, 2003

NO i have never smoked,but here is a good note to announce. My husband has been about 3 weeks without. Yesterday he was miserable,but would not admit it. I told the kids just why not to smoke. My dad smoked from the time he was 14 and now has emphasema. He is so sorry he ever smoked. He has only got to have oxygen at night as of now. Hopefully he will not get any worse. I was in such denial when i found out he had it that I would not listen to anyone. I don't judge anyone by weather they smoke or not but if they can quit I give them credit for that. Good luck to anyone out there that can quit. claire

On Jan 7, 2003

I have never smoked.

Cirgarette smoke does, however, bother my allergies which (over the years) have developed into more of an asthmatic reaction than a nasal one.

If you do smoke, please keep it way from your PA. If your trying to quit - best of luck!

On Jan 7, 2003

jeannine, welcome! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] (I'm sure that I just spelled your UserName wrong, so please forgive me, welcome regardless [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] ).

ajas_folks, thank-you for your really super post. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Don't worry about me, my New Year's resolution this year (I never make them) was to help *me* this year, but unfortunately not in something as what I consider as simple (then why haven't I done it?) as quitting smoking. I think I'm actually suffering a mid-life crisis (want to post that in Off Topic if this board ever settles down so that you can navigate anywhere else other than contentious threads just to see what's happening now) and I do have a few different things I have in mind for *me* (and the little extensions of me - my children) this year. Here's hoping to them....

But quitting smoking is not the top priority. I loved your post though, thank-you.

Momma Bear, I find it interesting that someone has popped into the thread twice and has yet still not answered your question. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Jan 7, 2003

I have never smoked, but grew up in a house with smoker-parents. I always hated it -- I remember the first time a boy hugged me, he asked me, "Do you SMOKE?!?" I just smelled like a smoker, I guess, and I hated that. I vowed to always smell good after that!! LOL! (Seriously, I have an "issue"!!!! But that's a thread for another day!)

Cindy -- I love that you are a lady about it! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

And to wrap this up, I don't NEED to smoke. God knows I have enough OTHER vices ... as I am sure we all do.

~Tracey~

On Jan 7, 2003

I am waiting breathlessly for Mommabear's resolution to this question, but thought I would add this: my father smoked when I was young, but quit before any of my siblings were born. I am the only one with asthma or allergies.

On Jan 7, 2003

I don't smoke. In my disco days used to share a pack with 3 or 4 friends on Friday night because they made us dizzy and it was cheaper than drinking. (LOTS of year ago) Trying to be cool, as if wearing a white bra under black lights wasn't cool enough?

My DH has smoked for over 20 years, but quit just over a year ago. Now he's addicted to Nicorettes. He was a polite smoker too, never in the house, never in the car (when we were with him), NEVER in the baby's face.

On Jan 7, 2003

Now the moment you've all been waiting for:

Question two. LOL.

What similarities, if any, do you see between tobacco smoke and peanut protein? (or any other food substance that causes anaphylactic allergies)?

[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jan 7, 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by MommaBear: [b] What similarities, if any, do you see between tobacco smoke and peanut protein? (or any other food substance that causes anaphylactic allergies)?

[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img][/b]

For the smoker or the anaphylactic, they both know these things are harmful and can potentially kill them?

On Jan 7, 2003

Syd's Mom:

One brave soul. Thank you!

I'll give a freebie to get it going: They also are things people enjoy.

Anyone else?

On Jan 7, 2003

They directly affect family members of the anaphylactic and family members of the smoker?

You don't have to be anaphylactic or a smoker to be affected.

(OK, I know I had my turn, I'll let someone else go, I was just trying to be a brown noser [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] )

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On Jan 7, 2003

Yup.

both are also hard to contain (ie: cigarette smoke and "aerosolized peanuts" and can be airborn. (OK, OK, I know, the "inhalation allergy (for peanuts) is still debated by some and much research focuses on this, but work with me!! hehe.)**

**disclaimer: I am not an expert on PA, and am only working off of information I have read casually on this site and in other documents [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jan 7, 2003

Brown nosing works................

I was a great brown noser in highschool. Had a geometry teacher who used to go off on tangents...............(did I say that)??

Tangents = Stories with a moral that were derived in some twisted way from geometrical principals. (Shudder). The class was last period and I could usually get us to 2:55 pm without much geometry. Hey, wait!! Did I just ramble???

On Jan 7, 2003

OK - here is my guess. How about both having harmful 'second hand' effects?

If I am smoking, the smoke is harmful to the non-smoker next to me. Just as if I eat a peanut butter sandwich, any leftover peanut residue is harmful to the PA person nearby.

- Sarah

On Jan 7, 2003

oops...posting at the same time. Didn't see the answer is already up

good job Syd's Mom!!

- Sarah

On Jan 7, 2003

Jenna's Mommy - I hadn't connected the "second hand" connection between smoke and peanut residue -well done! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jan 7, 2003

Some people will defend their right to smoke or eat peanuts/peanut products regardless of whom it affects.

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On Jan 7, 2003

I went to a class last year given by a pediatric allergist. She said the even the residue from cigarette smoke that is left in a car or on clothes can be a trigger for an asthmatic that comes in contact with it. I had never heard that before. I thought it was just inhaling the actual smoke. FWIW

On Jan 7, 2003

Momma Bear,

Hopefully, you can follow this answer; haven't taken a lot of time to think it out...I am working it out as I type...

For years smoking was seen as harmless and more and more people, over years and years, starting suffering ill effects. It was only after years of research and protest that tobacco companies admitted "Okay, maybe it could hurt you a little." Peanuts are sort of the same way...seen as perfectly harmless by most (especially those who don't suffer from the allergy) and promoted by the peanut companies as a "harmless" snack. But as years pass, more and more children are found to be allergic. The warnings for both smoking and peanut consumption to pregnant moms-to-be are ignored and seen as over-zealous. And, those of us advocating peanut-free classrooms are as despised as those asking for smoke-free restaurants and public buildings.

Sort of a ramble...Hope it makes sense.

------------------ Little Man's Momma a*k*a Kendra

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On Jan 7, 2003

Have no idea what just happened here...

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On Jan 7, 2003

Love My C,

FWIW (ooooooo I like that one),

you might be interested in the Asthma/Boiled hot dog post. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I posted it since anaphylaxis sometimes has a tendency to be more likely to occur or more severe in Asthmatics with peanut allergy (at least that is the jist I get from some literature I have read-------I could be wrong)***

***Disclaimer: I am not an expert in PA and am not providing medical advice or information. Just stating what I have read.

On Jan 7, 2003

Thanks, Mommabear. I read it earlier and even e-mailed it to my husband.

I guess the part about the boy who died from an asthma attack after inhaling the vapors of garbonzo beans being cooked kinda got my attention as my son has shown signs recently of being sensitive to airborne (vaporized) allergens [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

On Jan 7, 2003

LilMan's mom: (sorry about the spelling)

good post. Thanks for not making me post that! (I got my work cut out for me in this thread).

Now, how well do you feel that has worked? (Regulating the right to smoke in public and the campaign against cigarettes) (question directed at all)

Everyone:

Do you feel that it is a fair comparison if you add up the "cost" to healthcare when you look at "smoke related" health problems and sickness as compared to those of peanut allergy in the population? Do you think the morbidity rate is similiar? Would you say that asthmatics suffer as much (or more) from second hand cigarette smoke as Peanut allergic folk do from residual peanut products? Do you think there are serious health problems now or down the road for nonsmokers who regularly breathe in second hand smoke? Should the some of the same restrictions for cigarettes be imposed on peanuts/peanut products. If so, should we impose them for all products that cause anaphylaxis? Just food products? Would it be impossible. How many of you are wondering what I cooked tonight for dinner??? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Lastly (for now): If you did smoke/do smoke/thinking about smoking again, did you/would you/should you change your smoking habits in order to be considerate of the health of someone else you "might" affect?

Whooooooooooooooooo. Carpal tunnel kicking in. I let it be at that. For now. "Chris! Better keep an eye on those servers."

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On Jan 7, 2003

Yes I'm a smoker.

Cindy, You aren't alone... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Lana

On Jan 8, 2003

Raising!!!

Either you guys are working on a thesis or I am soooooooooooooooooooooooo boring you. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jan 8, 2003

I just want to say....I like you MommaBear [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

I have to say I was bored. That is a defect in my personality though [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

ok, your right, how can I be so bored if I'm still reading this thread? Well, I want to know if you ever smoked, and I knew where you were going with the first question you asked.

I'm lazy sometimes and like to read (which is what I'm good at)but nod my head to myself when other's answer something for me [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

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On Jan 8, 2003

Regarding secondhand smoke. My good friend, age 36, got lung cancer. Never smoked a day in her life. That went into remission. Then she had a brain tumor removed. She's now got internal bleeding, and recently she found out the cancer is in her liver. Her doctors feel she got lung cancer from years of secondhand exposure by her parents. I said that back in the 60's and 70's most of our parents smoked. Remember driving in the car with the windows up while they smoked? She said that her parents smoked more than the average smoker. It was so bad that none of her friends would come over the house. There's no way to prove this, of course, but it's really a shame that this young mother will probably die from this.

On Jan 8, 2003

Smack, (and anyone else that wishes to respond [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] )

I mentioned in a previous post in this thread that "I smoked probably less that a carton in my day"........LOL, am I THAT BORING?????? No official start date or quit date. Currently haven't touched one since beginning of this year. I had Shingles in a chest nerve that extended into my face. If lung CA is anything that painful, I don't want to go there. Won't even smoke one a month now. Too creepy. My father smoked heavily when I was a child. The thought of second hand smoke haunts me. He quit 10 years before he died. He died from a ruptured triple A, but they found lung ca (well advanced) in the cat scan. I can honestly say if my father thought he could possibly harm his family with second hand smoke, he would never had touched the things. My husbands aunt had lung ca. She never smoked, but her husband did. Heavily. He died years earlier. I believe it may have been lung ca. I am not sure, and my hubby isn't here to ask at the moment. My son is asthmatic and PA. I can't stand sitting near smoke in public. I detest the thought of a breath of cigarette smoke entering my childrens' pristine lungs. I read through a list of the chemicals that are in cigarette smoke. We give our children nursery water, fear food dyes, preservatives, and don't heat things in "unapproved for microwave use" substances. Yet, despite an intensive anti-smoking campaign, there still seems to be somewhat a culture of smoking out there.

You mentioned boredom. Is it because this is not a topic that affects us greatly? We (some in the PA community) say that people just don't "get it". Could they be just as bored? Do we have to realize that our concerns may just not be a priority with many individuals who are not directly affected by PA?? Do we need to adjust our expectations? Our level of responsiblility? Do we realize how many folk out there deal with health issues on a daily basis that are life threatening as well? That affect their lives on a daily basis as well? That may potentially reduce their quality of life and life expectancy?

Just a question to consider: Would you rather be peanut allergic or a diabetic?

Consider what accomodations some of us are striving for in the PA community. What accomodations are in place for the diabetic?

(In case you are wondering: No, I am not diabetic, nor are my children.)

Again, are we expecting too much? Do other groups with health risks expect the same level of accomodations? I won't go into Asthma yet. Yet.

On Jan 9, 2003

Mommabear, now you caught my attention with something I really have thought about! I often feel the members of my dh's family do glaze over and do not care much about being educated about PA. I honestly do not care if anyone(but me) could hold a PhD on the subject, LOL, but I just want no nuts ant gatherings where we are stuck there spending the weekend as well, and dd runs off with older cousins not to be seen for hours. Of course we check on things, but I am often a wreck because food is out, 14+ people in a tight space, and older kids who are not so careful about crumbs, etc...

However, we have almost lost our nephew, the baby of the family(for the moment) to serious heart defects, and truthfully, even I think PA is a minor issue comared to his, which might, at the very least, shorten his life expectancy. He has a genetic syndrome and this is just the known problem of the moment. There could be many more.

Mnay times I ask myself, especially when I see Erik and other adults here, is this really sooo important for others to care about my child? They are healthy adults *living with* PA, and from a time when there was little information. Prhaps less manufactured foods and pervasivieness of the almighty peanut everywhere as well, though! Or, is this for me to bear and be darned sure I teach her everything nobody else would care to know. I do the latter for sure, so I know she will learn to live safely regardless of what others think of her allergy, but also try to be sure she is in safe surroundings but educating those around us. I also feel schools, etc... institutions, should be safe from life-threatening substances wherever possible. There is a limit, but it is simple to restrict smoking or the presence of some foods in a public area where others could be made ill form it.

So, I am coming back round to seeing the smoking connection. It is also interesting to ponder that many things are *known* to make us very ill, even with accidental exposures, or just by nature of the disease. So, where do we fit in with very healthy(well for those of us not dealing with asthma, at least) children, who are thriving and simply need to avoid a food? Hmmmm. The clincher is the potential to be instantly snuffed out of existence from eating this thing that companies will not openly and boldly label, at the very least, better yet, will not remove from some production lines to just have a PN free area and a sterile closed off one where they do the nut things. It can all be done.

The anti smoking campaign has made great strides in getting it out of public buildings. In Boston, near me, they just eliminated smoking form the eateries and bars, I believe. We are pretty far along versus other parts of the country though. A short trip upstate to sh's neck of the woods reminds me of that.

So, I am rambling after getting in a 2:30 am(babysitting for friends flying back from Jamaica, Mon), lying awake listening to dh snore until 4am, and finally taking some benadryl to get a few hours sleep(in the QUIET guestroom)! Very provocative(what you bring up, mommabear, not my exhaustion)! becca

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On Jan 9, 2003

MommaBear,

Your not boring, far from it. I should have said that all the questions you asked were a little overwhelming, so I lost a little interest in answering. That's usually because I like to send short messages, but you asked great questions and if I have some time to write them down then I can think of answering them. TTYL

On Jan 9, 2003

I'm not a smoker. Cigarette smoke always made me queasy, so I never tried it. Which is very fortunate because I'm a food addict & would probably be a chain smoker if I had ever started.

I was wondering if they have ever used Peanut products in cigarettes? My dd seems to get a light rash anytime we are somewhere with a lot of cigarette smoke. I try to avoid it, but sometimes you can't. She is PA & TNA. I just wondered if there was any peanut/nut products in the cigarettes??

Lea (mom to Jamie (TNA & PA) & David (due 4-15-03)

On Jan 9, 2003

Cindy:

You shouldn't be embarrased, cuz you're not alone. I smoke, too. Been trying on and off to quit for years, but I find that I can really only cut down to about 2-4 a day and maintain my sanity. Right now, it's about 1/2 a pack, but I'm going to be training for an inline skating marathon in March at Disney, so I gotta cut back down again. My kids are going to help me get in shape and the workouts should keep my mind off the nicotine cravings. But, all the same, you're not alone. Some of the rest of us are still puffing away in blissful ignorance, too!

~Melanie

On Jan 9, 2003

So,

Melanie,

[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Do you smoke in public?

Do you smoke at home?

Do you smoke in your car?

Do you believe "non-smoking" sections (in general) effectively contain the smoke??

Are you over 18?

Do you believe smoking and second hand smoke has a detrimental effect on your health and on the heath of others?

Do you enjoy smoking?

Is it relaxing?

Is there some benefit you derive from it?

Would you catagorize yourself as a smoker?

Do you know anyone with Asthma?

Does your smoking affect your performance athletically?

Do you mind the restrictions placed on smokers?

Finally...............................

Would you support legislation on a ban of tobacco and the sale of tobacco products in your state, province, or country? Why or why not?

Do I ask to many questions? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

I would greatly appreciate ANYONE who would be willing to answer at least one question [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jan 9, 2003

Hi Mommabear, I'll try to answer your questions, but some may be controversal and not by popular belief...So here it goes...

1.) Yes, I smoke in public, when I have too, I don't like to though.

2.& 3.) Yes

4.) No I don't believe they contain the smoke effectively.

5.) unforntunately (sometimes)

6.) I believe that living w/2nd hand smoke, or consistently around 2nd hand smoke is unhealthy, I don't believe occaisionally encountering 2nd hand smoke is unhealthy, but definately a nuisance to non smokers.

7.) This one is a toughie, yes sometimes, do I enjoy the effects, no.

8.) see above answer

9.) my family does, lol, they don't have to deal w/the nicotine withdrawl, and the bi**hy moods. But no not really. Just the non withdrawl effect.

10) do I have a choice?, lol

11.) Yes, 2 son's

12.) Only between breathes after running after my 4 yr old, lol....Definatley have problems with exertion and colds

13.) Now the real quincher...No I would not support a ban, my reason is not b/c I smoke and wouldn't like it, but b/c I believe smokers get alot of the bad flack..My true belief is that alcohol is more damaging and more of a problem than cig. i know alot of people will not agree w/me on this, but I truly believe that alcohol is a major family breaker, killer in many ways, and they get NO flack...In fact they are the biggest supporter of our sports on TV, our kids see it and think that alcohol is okay if it is so largely supported by our football and other athletic leagues. I realize the same is true for the cig. advertisements in magazines and in stores, but they aren't as widely seen by kids as the alcohol, and that is b/c they've been banned from tv ads (have never understood why cig. are banned and not beer?)

I want to end by saying I respect other peoples reasons and choices to not be around the smoke, I hate cig. most of the time, I know they stink, etc.

And finally for your last question....No, in fact u've asked some real interesting ones..

be interesting to see how other's answer your questions.

HTH, Lana

On Jan 9, 2003

Cam's mom,

thank you for taking the time to answer. thank you for your honesty. You stole my fire [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] (on the alcohol issue---------it seems to be the most sacred to people)....

I would be interested in what others have to say also...........

Anyone feel free to read the questions and substitue alcohol in place of tobacco.........the questions still would work. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Jan 10, 2003

Do you smoke in public? Yes

Do you smoke at home? Yes - mostly outside, but after the kids are asleep, I open my windows, turn on the fan, open a book and smoke away...

Do you smoke in your car? Only in the summer with all windows open, and ALL butts go in the ashtray.

Do you believe "non-smoking" sections (in general) effectively contain the smoke?? Depends on the restaurant and the ventalation system. Some work, some don't.

Are you over 18? WAY over 18, though I still get carded for cigarettes (no wrinkles yet!)

Do you believe smoking and second hand smoke has a detrimental effect on your health and on the heath of others? On me, DUH. I'm not a rocket scientist, but I'm not an idiot, either. Of course. Second Hand Smoke? Depends on the individual. Some people are very sensitive, and others are not. All situations effect all people differently. But, if you know someone smokes and it bothers you, don't go there!

Do you enjoy smoking? Yes

Is it relaxing? Sometimes, but really it just tastes good. To me.

Is there some benefit you derive from it? Not really. Just like to do it.

Would you catagorize yourself as a smoker? This is a silly question, isn't it?

Do you know anyone with Asthma? Yes.

Does your smoking affect your performance athletically? Yes.. which is why when I'm training I cut down to 2-3 cigs a day or less, if possible. Need my endurance.

Do you mind the restrictions placed on smokers? Absolutely. It's a free country and I should have a right, in private, outside or in my car to do what I please with my own body... and if you walk past me and give me crap for smoking when I'm OUTSIDE, I'm going to tell you you're an utter butthead and to get a life!

Finally...............................

Would you support legislation on a ban of tobacco and the sale of tobacco products in your state, province, or country? Why or why not? Absolutely, emphatically not. Not in the USA. What you do with your body is your right and liberty and what I do with mine is MY right. Keep your dogmas out of my life and your restrictions on your own personal level and I'll be happy. I won't inflict my weird religious or political beliefs on you if you don't inflict yours on me. Fair is fair.

Do I ask to many questions? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Nah.. it was fun! You always seem to leave interesting posts.

I think I answered ALL of them! JOY! ~Melanie

On Jan 10, 2003

Do you drink in public? Sometimes

Do you drink at home? Yes

Do you drink in your car? No

Do you believe "non-drinking" sections (in general) effectively help alcoholism? Yes

Are you over 18? Just a little [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Do you believe drinking and people drinking next to alcoholics has a detrimental effect on your health and on the heath of others? Sometimes, depends on how much one drinks. Yes, it would be uncomfortable for an alcoholic to go out to a bar or restaurant around a whole bunch of drinkers.

Do you enjoy drinking? Oh Yes

Is it relaxing? Most definitely

Is there some benefit you derive from it? The red wine has lowered my cholesterol

Would you catagorize yourself as a drinker? Yes

Do you know anyone with Asthma? My two children, my Mom

Does your drinking affect your performance athletically? I'm sure it would but I don't work out when I'm under the influence...that could be dangerous on the treadmill Do you mind the restrictions placed on drinkers? If they took drinking out of public places I wouldn't care

Finally...............................

Would you support legislation on a ban of alcohol and the sale of alcohol products in your state, province, or country? Why or why not? No, what I do in my own home is up to me, fine take it out of public places so we don't sway the alcoholics into drinking again but let me drink in my own home

Do I ask to many questions? Holy Cow yes and I don't have time to go back to all of them but I hope this helps a little

When comparisons are made of one health concern to another, it doesn't serve any purpose. People all experience their diseases, ailments, handicaps, allergies, whatever, differently. I believe there are similar traits about them but to say one is worse than the other, undermines the uniqueness of each individuals own ability to handle their problems.

I don't believe in any one thing being the problem of another. It takes up a whole lot of variables in between to form the outcome.

JMO [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

On Jan 10, 2003

for everyone who replied thus far: Thank you for taking your personal time to reply! It is much appreciated.

Smack: Thanks for the "trial run" with alcohol related to my smoking questions!!

a comment: (not a critique)

"Do you believe drinking and people drinking next to alcoholics has a detrimental effect on your health and on the heath of others? Sometimes, depends on how much one drinks. Yes, it would be uncomfortable for an alcoholic to go out to a bar or restaurant around a whole bunch of drinkers."

(Quote from your post), I also could relate it to DUI's, accidents related to drinking, it's affect on the family, fetal alcohol syndrome, the culture of drinking and how it affects youth.............etc. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I'll leave that up to the rest, though (impatient thing, aren't I???)

And: I should add the additional question for the alcohol survey: Do you know someone who is an Alcoholic? (Instead of "Do you know someone who has Asthma?) [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Again: Thank you all for tolerating the pop quiz thus far!!

On Jan 10, 2003

Hey MommaBear, Just finished my workout and read your post.

Do I know someone who is a alcoholic? I have been surrounded by it for a long time. From best friends father to dh's father, now deceased. I was a very involved bystander, I would go to support groups for people who had loved ones that were alcoholics(I use to go with my best-friends Mom)Ananon(sp?)or something like that.

On Jan 10, 2003

No I do not smoke, but I sometimes worry about the long term effects of being around smokers in my younger days.

After I was pregnant for the first time, I acquired an absolute disgust for the smell of smoke. Today, I cannot stand to be around smokers and hate the way they smell, especially in the winter when their coats reek. To me, now, it looks so primative. I also hate the butts everywhere you go! Even in the sand in children's playgrounds.

My older sister smokes and everytime I see her light up, (I'm never indoors with her), I think about my grandmother and great aunt who died from lung cancer, and know that chances are that one day I will have to go to the hospital to watch my sister die, as her lungs rot right out of her chest.

Personally I can't imagine teaching my son about the deadly effects of peanuts while puffing away on a fag.

You know I love ya all on this board----including the smokers, but Mommabear wanted bare bones honesty, so there ya go. Don't hate me guys and gals.

On Jan 10, 2003

River,

"Barebones honesty" presented with loving concern....... A talent to be envied. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Another survey question: (To all)

One more modification in the alcohol survey: In addition to "Do you drink in your car"..................the following can be added: "Have you ever operated a motor vehicle after drinking? How long after drinking? How much did you drink?"

The smoking survey is still up for grabs!! (I am soooooooooooooo disorganized)

On Jan 10, 2003

I doubt I will get all the "alcohol" questions.. but here goes:

I do drink, about 1 beer a day.. sometimes 2. I like good beer and a recent article in the Washington Post verifies that I am a light drinker and am quite healthy. I'd be horrified if our country attempted to go into another prohibition. Silly to even have to explain why, if you read my response on tobacco.

My Uncle and his wife are both recovering alcoholics (16+ years for my Uncle). They come to family gatherings and occassional parties and do not seem offended or disturbed or in pain or wanton agony being in the same room as a bunch of folks all drinking or even drunk. They don't complain about feeling tempted to drink or give anyone the third degree about drinking or how much they've had, because none of us get stupid drunk... very occasionally inebriated, but not stupid, blind, staggering, three sheets to the wind drunk.

I would classify my husband as borderline alcoholic and I nag him to cut back or quit, but it gets nowhere but into a raging argument that I'd rather save for a later point when I can prove to him HOW it's effecting our relationship (other than him being somewhat worthless when it comes to the kids and smelling like a brewery even when he wakes up, and if you ask me, that's NOT attractive and certainly effects our intimacy issues. Yuck.)

"Do you drink in your car?" Not a CHANCE!

"Have you ever operated a motor vehicle after drinking? How long after drinking? How much did you drink?" When I was 16, I got stupid drunk and attempted (yes.. attempted) to drive home. About 1/4 of a mile down a residential street, I could not tell where my car was and pulled over and passed out. I have never, ever, ever driven in what I would define an even moderately tipsy state since. I will, however, drive into DC for a concert.. drink 1 cranberry vodka at 10pm and drive home after 2am with no qualms whatsoever. I always volunteer for my friends and family to be the "designated driver" when we go dancing or to a show, because I can't trust anyone else to not drink, and I dance like a moron when I've had too much to drink.. plus, who likes to actually be inebriated enough to think that moron over there staring at you is actually CUTE and not the gross, disgusting barscum that he really IS?

I like to drink, I don't like to be drunk. I won't drive drunk, I won't let people drink in my car. And I tell everyone who is not spanish, don't drink TaKillYa, cuz that's what it'll do to you if you ain't spanish. :0

On Jan 10, 2003

Okay, now the alcohol questions...

No, I'm not a drinker, DH is a recovered alcoholic, been married 12 yrs, and the 1st 4 yrs were hell, he probably drinks once a yr. now...

Do I know any alcoholics, yes, my husband and my 16 yr. old step daughter.

I vehemently oppose drinking and driving, I think people that get arrested for DUI more than once should be charge w/ attempted manslaughter, why wait till they kill someone...once can be a mistake, twice is just plain stupid and selfish.

Yes, I would enjoy a drink once in awhile, I have no problem with people drinking, when my brother comes for a visit, he drinks here, not staggering drunk, just a few beers, I don't keep it in the house otherwise, but don't have a problem with someone drinking, only b/c it doesn't bother DH, I don't drink, b/c our older children have seen enough of the negative effects and would just prefer they not have to worry that mom (or stepmom) is fixing to get wasted too. My two younger children have NEVER seen me w/a drink and my two older children have seen me drink once. When I turned 21 and just had to go buy a beer just cause I could (remember that feeling?)

I agree totally w/Smack on the comparison issue....Everyone is affected by different things in a different way...I have had a horrible experience w/alcohol and what it does to families, I have always been very opposed to drinking and driving even as a teenager, I've always felt it was the most selfish thing a person could do...But Smack is very right-Example: A person who is living w/a crack addict may think the situation I deal with is nothing compared to their problem w/crack...So yes, Smack, it's true, one issue really isn't as bad as another when compared by different people (atleast I think this is how u meant what u said.)

Just another note to add why I hate the affects alcohol has on some people, my 16 yr old step daughter over dosed on alcohol 2 weeks before Christmas, she almost died, in fact she quit breathing and had the kids who got her to the ER had been 5 mins. later, she would have died....This is why I think alcohol & drugs is so much more damaging and more of a problem to teens than cigerettes.

I've also had both parents die from smoking, father from lung cancer (when I was 12) and mother from complications of emphysema 8 yrs ago, and I am very embarrassed to admit that I did start smoking, very stupid, but yes I did do it.....You'd think that a person who had to deal w/the death of 2 parents at such an early age wouldn't begin to think to puff. I started smoking when I was 17 and am now 31, have quit several times off and on, usually stress will make me light one back up, so I plan on quitting when my two teenagers leave home, one's 16 (this month) and one will be 18 in May...so I figure I have 2 more yrs (then my 10 yr old will be hitting that wonderful preteen age...oh boy, excuses, excuses... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] )

Anyway, MommaBear, HTH!

Lana

On Jan 12, 2003

FYI - Article in today's paper re- alcohol & health issues

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On Jan 12, 2003

I startet smoking with age 15 and i stopt when my wife was Pregnant with Michael and this is now 8 Years ago and it was a good reason to but there was only one proplem :: i gaint 40 pounds on wait thins then ,hey i guess you cant have everything god bless thomas hey is my Englisch getting better ???

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On Jan 13, 2003

(Shamelessly re-raising this thread)

Thomas! Thank you for your input. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Erick, thank you for the link!

MommaBear

On Jan 13, 2003

" [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]"

(Cool way of re-raising, Erik)

On Jan 13, 2003

thanks [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jan 13, 2003

Don't mention it. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jan 13, 2003

Well, MommaBear raised this thread for some more postings and no one is posting much so I thought I'd add my two cents:

Re- smoking:

I believe that there should be smoke free zones (ie: workplace, movie theatres, buses, etc). If someone else chooses to fill their lungs with carcinogens and toxins it is their choice, but why should I have to breathe them too.

However, if someone wants to smoke it is their choice. I do not think it should be made illegal. If you want to smoke in your own house or outside then that is fine with me.

Smokers have the right to smoke, but I also have the right to breathe clean air at work, at the shopping centre, etc.

My grandfather died of lung cancer after smoking for 30 years when I was 3 so I never knew him, so you can see why I have never tried a cigarette before.

Re- alcohol-

I believe that alcohol (in moderation) has no negative effect (unless you are predispositioned to alcoholism). In fact, as I posted above in my link, there are beneficial effects to occasional drinking for some people. In my case, I rarely drink (maybe once a month). I prefer Tropicana orange juice [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

However, too much alcohol causes serious problems. Drinking and driving, spousal abuse, etc...

So in summary:

If you smoke or drink and it does not cause a negative effect on others, I think it is fine. But once you start to affect others (second hand smoke, drunk driving, etc) that's where I draw the line.

Just my opinion. Feel free to agree or disagree. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

(p.s. MommaBear will be happy.. this thread hit 3 pages now!)

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On Jan 13, 2003

GO ERICK GO ERICK GO ERICK

[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

shameless, aren't I?

but seriously, I suspect a lot of people aren't responding since maybe there is some conflict between how they wish PA to be handled and how they wish smoking or alcohol use handled in relation to the public. I could be wrong. On a personal level, I have found that removing myself emotionally from a situation sometimes changes my feelings about it.

On Jan 13, 2003

Erik is so right on his post, if what ever you do has no neg. effects on someone else, then fine, when it starts affecting other people neg. w/o their control then its a problem!

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On Jan 13, 2003

'Though there are some similarities to be drawn between public peanut consumption and public tobacco &/or alcohol consumption, I think it's hard to get a truly valid comparison: not all in society are affected by peanut use, but most (if not all) ARE affected by tobacco &/or alcohol use (& abuse).

My .02-worth.

EB

On Jan 14, 2003

I dont smoke , but my parents, brother and sister all smoke. My parents have always been very heavy smokers, and all of them also have asthma. Even some of my non -smoking uncles have asthma, so its in the family and still they smoke. But i cant condem there little drug habit, i find i go home and relax slightly when they light up and i breathe in the fug!! Dosent that sound horrible!!! years ago I used to beg my driving instructor to light up so that i could relax while learning to drive. !!! Both my grandfathers died of smoking induced cancer. One when in hospital with throat cancer met his long lost brother in the next bed with lung cancer, they died a month apart after . They both smoked there first ciggies together as children, grew up argued over something they couldnt remember and lost each other for 20 years. My next question is " how many of you smoke bob hope"? and If I smoked ciggies do you think I would be the thin member of my family , rather than being the only fat one? bye sarah

On Jan 15, 2003

Momma Bear, I apologize, I only got through the second half of the second page but saw that you had some questions that you asked of a smoker so thought I'd answer those (even if the topic has progressed since then).

Do you smoke in public?

Yes, I do. Where I live now, there are smoking designated areas in places such as coffee shops. Bans are now being enforced in restaurants, etc. Most establishments are smoke free and I do comply with those bans.

Do you smoke at home?

Yes, I smoke at home, outside.

Do you smoke in your car?

I don't drive and I don't have a car. Should I ever learn how to drive at this age [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img] I can't imagine trying to navigate the wheel, two kids in the backseat and a cigarette in my hand.

Do you believe "non-smoking" sections (in general) effectively contain the smoke??

No, I don't believe they do. The coffee/donut shop at the corner of my street recently took away two smoking tables. However, the tables that they made "smoke free" are right beside the smoking section or actually, right in the smoking section. No, the non-smoking sections do not effectively contain the smoke.

Also, I'll use the donut shop example again. Have you ever purchased a donut, as a non-smoker in a donut shop and you could smell the cigarette smoke on the donut or taste it? I certainly have and it is disgusting.

Are you over 18?

Yes, I'm definitely twice over 18. I'm not clear, I think you have to be 19 in our province to smoke but I may be mistaken. I actually didn't start smoking until the legal age (just had to do everything *right* and *proper* Momma Bear [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] )

Do you believe smoking and second hand smoke has a detrimental effect on your health and on the heath of others?

Yes, of course.

Do you enjoy smoking?

Yes, I do.

Is it relaxing?

Yes, it is.

Is there some benefit you derive from it?

Stress relief that could probably be gained from other sources but not as quickly and easily (but of course with less health risks involved).

Would you catagorize yourself as a smoker?

Yes, but a polite one.

Do you know anyone with Asthma?

Yes, both of my children are asthmatic.

Does your smoking affect your performance athletically?

I'm not athletic, but I imagine that yes, it would affect my performance. I have also noticed that now when I catch a cold, it goes directly to my chest and I do believe that is connected to smoking. I have also been told by many G.P.'s that my chronic sinus infections are due to smoking although the ENT that examined me last told me that I was the first smoker ever that he couldn't tell was one just by looking in my nose.

Do you mind the restrictions placed on smokers?

Yes and no. Only because I have that *thing* that I can't smoke on the street (ladies don't do that [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img] ) and it's the dead of winter here and I would just love to sit down and have a cup of coffee somewhere and relax for all of the ten minutes that it takes to smoke the filthy things. However. Although non-smoking accommodations (if you will) are just now being made where I live, they were in place in Toronto quite some time ago and I managed to live with it. I respect the fact that I have a filthy, dirty habit that can actually cause someone else to get cancer (not sure if I worded that correctly) and that I should be isolated from others. Seriously. Of course, 15 years ago, I was a member of a group called Smokers' Rights. How I've changed [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img]

Finally...............................

Would you support legislation on a ban of tobacco and the sale of tobacco products in your state, province, or country? Why or why not?

I'm not clear about this one. As far as I understand it, my country has decriminalized marijuana within the last couple of weeks and I also have great difficulty with the sale of alcohol and the repercussions alcohol has on our society and our families. So, no, I'm not clear about this one.

Do I ask to many questions?

Can't help you with that one because until now, I have been the person that asks too many questions here! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Jan 15, 2003

Sorry, just saw (after reading the last of page 2 and page 3) the alcohol survey. See, my answers would be totally different there. It's interesting, isn't it?

(river, in my ever needing to be liked mode, does that mean you hate me or is it okay that I'm smoking outside and talk to Jesse about his PA without a cigarette in my hand. I do have to say this though, again, I'm a polite smoker so if we ever did have the opportunity to meet, you wouldn't know, except for the smell on my clothes, that I was a smoker. Most people actually don't know that I smoke).

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Jan 16, 2003

Cindy, thank you for addressing further questions [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

You answered the following question:

"Would you support legislation on a ban of tobacco and the sale of tobacco products in your state, province, or country? Why or why not?

I'm not clear about this one. As far as I understand it, my country has decriminalized marijuana within the last couple of weeks and I also have great difficulty with the sale of alcohol and the repercussions alcohol has on our society and our families. So, no, I'm not clear about this one."

I guess the sentiment I am trying to convey is this: What we are asking of society with peanut products may be what other groups are asking of society of other products which, like smoking can appear more serious. Do we seem understanding of those requests? Do we respect others feelings regarding them? Or are we so wrapped up in our own concerns and needs that we fail to be as considerate of others as we would desire for ourselves? Are we asking too much? If we applied our requests (regarding PA) to other substances that bring up such "issues", what kind of world would we live in. Would it even be realistic to do?

As to why I ask the question "Are you over eighteen?" It was to point out that yes, individuals over eighteen do not always do the "safe" thing, pay attention to warnings, or the health of themselves or others around them. Yes, in spite of many admonisions, facts, and research, many of us still "do what we want". (In light of references to expectations of individuals who are at what some in society deems to be an adult (at least in chronological years).

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On Jan 16, 2003

MommaBear,

I know that I'm really slow, but Lord knows I didn't realize I was THIS slow! I was just working on a something regarding PA and trying to draft a letter regarding how PA affects people and their parents, trying to make people see what a small sacrafice it is to not have peanuts around my son for such a short period of time, i.e. school lunches, family dinners, etc.

I was trying to show them how our "over-protectiveness" and "irrational behavior" isn't really too much considering other things society asks for, and it popped into my head that smoking is one of those things that people (non-smokers) get real upset about...(Non-smoker's I'm a very polite smoker, and respect other peoples choices to the fullest, even in my own home) But my point (thinking) was 2nd hand smoke lingering in the air at say a rest. is very short term, and in my opinion not dangerous, so if all this can be eliminated and banned from all the public places, why oh why can't people respect our wishes for much less accomadations regarding peanuts/pnut products!

Then it hit me...That's what MommaBears whole survey is trying to get at. Or atleast that is what I was thinking, anyway!

Had to post this late night lightbulb! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Sorry I rambled!

Lana

On Jan 21, 2003

PANIC. The thread was almost off the main page!!!

In addition to Cam's Mom, do people have any ideas to why this thread is pertinent to PA? I probably would be very surprised as to how it is perceived. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jan 21, 2003

The big and finacially backed promotion of the product as a source of pleasure, flavor and enjoyment, and with financial interest well vested in keeping the product everywhere. becca

On Jan 23, 2003

OK - I'll bite on this topic.

I smoked a pack a day for 15 years. I met my husband, knew he was "The One" and that I might actually have children - so I quit cold turkey.

I always wanted to be able to tell my children how stupid smoking was and I didn't want them looking up at me and thinking I was stupid. It's amazing what motivates people - I had tried to quit at least 5 times before that with no luck.

It took me another year to convince him to quit too.

It has been over 8 years since I quit, and we have been married for almost 6 of those years.

Our twin sons just turned 3 - one is PA - the other not.

Sherlyn

On Jan 23, 2003

Spudberry,

It's funny how similiar our story is about smoking. I quit cold turkey (2 packs a day) the day my husband and I got engaged. He was never a smoker (has never tried it) and I knew he hated being around smokers.

I smoked while we dated, of course, and he was very good about it but I never lit up in his car or even in a restaurant if we out on a date.

The day he proposed, well, that was it for me! (I did carry a full pack around unopened in my purse for 6 months though). [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

That was 1989 and I've never looked back!

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Connie

On Jan 23, 2003

i have never smoked (not even tried it) and i'm so glad. my addiction to caffeine is so out of control that i couldn't bear to be dependent on anything else. : ) my grandfather died of lung cancer and emphysema from a lifetime of smoking (since he was a child) and several members of my family either once smoked or still do. it's one habit i truly do not understand. just the thought of it turns my stomach. but, i do empathize with smokers (especially the ones who would like to quit and cannot). i come from a family with all kinds of addictions (some very serious) and know how strong an addiction can be. on this day (jan 23) two years ago one of my little brothers died of a drug overdose. he was such a sweetheart but just couldn't seem to get out from under his addictions. in the end, it won. he was only 33. one thing i do hate though is when smokers load up their asthmatic kids with medications and treatments and continue to smoke in the home, the car, etc.. i have a neighbor who does this. i have no sympathy for that sort of behavior - only sympathy for the kids in that situation. smoking should affect only the smoker; not those around them that choose not to smoke. joey

On Jan 26, 2003

The thoughts I have on this seem to be in a totally different arena than everyone else's so forgive me if I am interrupting the flow of the discussion. Also, since I am pretty new to this board, and not so good at expressing my tone through writing, let me clearly state that I am not judging anyone's decisions about their own life. But, as I think about smoking and it's connection to PA, I tend to think that it is one more way having a PA child affects my life (but in a good way). Since I see myself as her main protector/educator, I consider my life to be more valuable than I used to. I figure that if I die, I am then putting my daughter's life at risk because nobody in her life is as informed about peanut allergy as I am (thanks to this website). Therefore, I do not smoke, I do not drink and drive, I wear my seatbelt, I do monthly breast exams, etc. Does anybody else feel an extra need to protect themselves as a way to further protect their PA child?

On Jan 26, 2003

Well,

I have thought about getting a medical alert bracelet for myself: "Mother of a Peanut/Nut allergic child"

On Jan 28, 2003

Raising.

On Jan 28, 2003

nicole: yes...i think like you do; not just in terms of PA either. i know that there is absolutely no one on either side of our families that i would want raising my kids if something should happen to my husband and i. i think i'd have better luck handing them over to complete strangers. : ) anyhow...i do think often about what would happen if i wasn't here to raise the girls. the PA is just one more issue to add to my already large list of concerns. i don't mean to sound like no one else could raise them and that i'm some super-mom but i know their special needs (and care) and i know what type of people i would hope for them to grow up to be. one side of our family is completely materialistic and the other side is not very family oriented (kids all get dumped from daycare, to babysitter, to grandma, to friends, etc..). and then, of course, there is the PA issue. no one seems to get it at all and some of them are medical professionals. they know - they just don't really care. it's very disheartening to know that these are the people that would be in control of my kids' lives if something happened to us. i hope that didn't sound too critical of family. i love them all. i just know their good side and their bad side. it's the bad that i'm worried about. : ) joey

On Feb 1, 2003

MommaBear, okay, I'm confused [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/confused.gif[/img] I can't seem to wrap my head around equating what we may or may not expect as far as peanut removal, if you will, or peanut safeguards in place with smoking and alcohol consumption and the regulations that are in place for those two things.

Why? Because to me, it's like comparing apples and oranges. Nicotine and alcohol are both drugs. If addicted to either of those substances, one is said to nowadays have a *disease*. However, with my experience with both things (i.e., smoking and alcoholism and this would extend to illegal drug use or addiction as well), I feel that it is a disease of choice. If you are an alcoholic and continue to drink, you are continuing to choose to have the disease active. It is not the same as having the disease cancer. I, personally, am offended by addicts (of which I may very well be one) who use the word disease as an excuse for their addiction and to basically absolve themselves of any responsibility for their addiction.

Both of these things - smoking and alcohol consumption are dangerous (or have the ability to be - that would mostly pertain to alcohol, smoking, well, it's quite obvious it's dangerous to everyone concerned), to both the person doing it and to the people around them.

So, when the *mass majority* asks for a ban of these things in public places because it is dangerous to others, particularly smoking (dangerous to ALL people, no one is spared), how is that similar to me requiring a peanut free classroom for my son because he could die if he came into contact with a peanut product?

Nicotine and alcohol are drugs that people choose to use. They are not food items. That's why I'm saying it's like comparing apples and oranges. Drugs and foods.

I'm sorry, I just don't get it. (I do have to say though that it continues to provoke extremely interesting discussion, which is great [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] )

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Feb 1, 2003

Nicole1401, welcome! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

I found this part of your post particularly interesting:-

Does anybody else feel an extra need to protect themselves as a way to further protect their PA child?

I actually think that it is an excellent question that you should raise separate from this thread. It is a really good question and I think it may get missed by those members not partaking in the smoking discussion (i.e., non-smokers who don't feel the need to enter the thread or people who have already answered and left).

My answer would be, sadly, no.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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On Feb 1, 2003

Cindy,

try to answer from a logistical perspective and it may prove easier. For instance, many have stated they cannot in good conscience, eat peanut products because their children have deadly allergies to them or that they seem hypocritical, or set a bad example for schools or other groups they are seeking accomodations from. (These are not my words, or perspectives but those I have gleaned from posts) Ethically speaking, could these same persons smoke, for instance, knowing their children are watching and the general consensus is that it is an unhealthy and lifethreatening habit to have? Asthma aside, even. Could these same persons ethically smoke in public? In a section that although is designated "smoking", poorly contains the smoke? Just a brief situation to consider. I could post more.

Also: My point isn't life or death situations, since when a person is concerned with a need, it most likely is paramount to them. (Witness for example the pettiness about "having my peanut butter over a child's safety"----------illogical? isn't it?-----------but, STILL, happens) By not realizing that most likely the elevation of a need is probably based more on what a person feels than what may actually seem logical, we may not completely alienate them by seeming elitest, as we most likely will treat our own needs as paramount (and yes, logically they may be). Ie: you don't care about my needs (no, were not talking pb & J, but let's say smoking in public, --------should we? even if it is designated a smoking area as we may be contaminating air for the wait staff---------WHAT, WE ONLY CARE IF HEALTH IS AFFECTED BY PA?---------I THOUGHT HEALTH WAS PARAMOUNT), so why should I care about yours (even if your need is "Life and Death, which may be useless in that person's train of thought since their importance of needs may be using a different value system)?

shall I give another example?

I think what we are dealing in here is "A Paradox". [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

*********Do I need a DISCLAIMER?*************

ok, WHAT I AM PRESENTING IS NOT REPRESENTED AS FACT, BUT MERELY A TOPIC OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AND INPUT AND PHILOSOPHIC CONTEMPLATION.

On Feb 1, 2003

The waitstaff question (in above post of mine)...........................

Is smoking around waitstaff (who may very well understand it can be a risk to inhale cigarette smoke, and may be adults responsible for their actions and choosing to work in that environment) the same as serving cookies with unknown ingredients to a PA allergic individual who is of adult age and says it's ok?

(COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION)

On Feb 2, 2003

Momma Bear, no, I'm still confused [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/confused.gif[/img] I truly can't see the comparison between the two and that's from a smoker (who doesn't eat any peanut products or "may contains" or "made ins") and a person dealing with alcoholism (not my own).

To me, again, because I'm not "getting it", it's like comparing apples and oranges in my mind.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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