SCHOOL NURSE ISSUE

Posted on: Fri, 08/29/2003 - 6:29am
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To make a long story short my sons school lost the forms giving them permission to give my son his epi pen in an emergency. The school nurse called and said if J.T. were to have an exposure at school that day she would have to call 911. I told her by the time the squad got there my son would be in shock or dead. I point blank asked her if she would stand there and watch my son die and she again said she would have to call 911. I guess that was her way of telling me yes. I was in such shock that I asked her a third time if she would with hold the life saving epi pen and she again said she would call 911. OK if your not by now totally blown away yesterday was buckeye day. 850 students at my sons school were given buckeyes to kick off the 2003 Ohio State Buckeyes football season.(buckeye candy). I did not know about the candy situation or I would removed my son from school. This nurse really enjoyed putting it to me over all the stupid forms. To her this was about forms and not a childs life. I called the principal and was told she would talk to the nurse. Thats not enough for me. I am a Respiratory Therapist in Columbus childrens hosp.ICU and I dont know a nurse alive that would withhold life saving medication. Where do I go from here?

Posted on: Fri, 08/29/2003 - 7:44am
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First off, you said that the school lost the forms. Well, then it is also the schools responsibility to have newly completed forms in hand. Granted, seeing the situation, as a parent I would be the one running around getting the new forms and would have duplicate copies distributed at the school (principal's office, nurses office and your own copy). If the school won't do anything without forms then you need to have these to them tootsweet.
And yes, the nurse is saying that her career and livelyhood is more important that your son's life. Granted she sounds like a complete and utter bitch, but if she has a choice she told you what you would do. And without forms, she doesn't want to be held legally responsible. But I find that odd that the good samartian clause would not apply to her. My husband is an EMT/Firefighter and they are covered under this clause and numerous other union/city clauses that would protect them if they preformed a lifesaving act without consent. Its their job..as I would think a nurse's is as well.
Thirdly, the principal or teacher should either call you or send home a note to you or both detailing out when they have "special treat" day like you mentioned so as not to place your child in a dangerous situation.
Check out the schools folder here too...you might find some very helpful posts regarding educating your school officals and what rights you and your child have.

Posted on: Fri, 08/29/2003 - 8:06am
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I was at work when she called me about the lost forms. Its pretty hard to walk out of an ICU when you are waiting on an open heart pt. to come back from surgery and fax new forms. She is an RN for god sakes it is well within her scope of practice to give life saving medication if an emergency should arise.

Posted on: Fri, 08/29/2003 - 9:27am
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Quote:Originally posted by CorinneM1:
[b]My husband is an EMT/Firefighter and they are covered under this clause and numerous other union/city clauses that would protect them if they preformed a lifesaving act without consent. Its their job..as I would think a nurse's is as well.
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Would it have to be a [b]correctly[/b] performed "lifesaving act"?

Posted on: Fri, 08/29/2003 - 9:39am
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Quote:Originally posted by JOHNTYLERS MOM:
[b]I was at work when she called me about the lost forms. Its pretty hard to walk out of an ICU when you are waiting on an open heart pt. to come back from surgery and fax new forms. She is an RN for god sakes it is well within her scope of practice to give life saving medication if an emergency should arise.[/b]
*Personally, uniquely, and on a very individual level*, I do not expect (in a moral/ethical fashion) another person (professional or otherwise) to have more or even equal concern for my child than I would myself. Not saying it isn't possible, just saying I don't expect it.
If my child, for instance, was ill at school (however he is homeschooled currently, but for all intents and purposes....), or forbid, his well-being or very life was in danger, and I was at work and I was made aware of it, I would take care of it in a timely fashion and to the best of my abilities at the time.
Whenever I have had a family emergency, (and there have been a few), and I was at work, my employer allowed me to leave in a very timely fashion. I do believe it is "part of the system" to be prepared for unexpected circumstances, even if among your employees and certain measures possibly are "built into the system". I, too, work in Critical Care.
For example, *personally and uniquely* during my shift, I was contacted at work and told my child had a fever greater than 104.0 F. I didn't even have to ask, just informed her my child had the fever. My charge nurse took over my patients after a report and sent me home.
Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form.
[This message has been edited by MommaBear (edited August 29, 2003).]

Posted on: Fri, 08/29/2003 - 11:52am
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of corse I would leave my job if any of my children needed me. I was only asking her for a small window of time to get home and get them. Your right ,nobody will ever love my children as I do and I dont expect that but how about a little human kindness. I guess as a medical person I feel it is not only my duty but my responsibility to help any way I can. I did nothing wrong in this situation. I never thought I would be defending myself on this web site. I guess I need a new source of support. Best wishes to all of you and stay safe.

Posted on: Fri, 08/29/2003 - 1:22pm
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Quote:Originally posted by CorinneM1:
[b]First off, you said that the school lost the forms. Well, then it is also the schools responsibility to have newly completed forms in hand. Granted, seeing the situation, as a parent I would be the one running around getting the new forms and would have duplicate copies distributed at the school (principal's office, nurses office and your own copy). If the school won't do anything without forms then you need to have these to them tootsweet.
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wondering if a fax would be sufficient, even if only as temporary measure, until new forms could be hand delivered.

Posted on: Fri, 08/29/2003 - 10:34pm
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Quote:Originally posted by JOHNTYLERS MOM:
[b] I never thought I would be defending myself on this web site. I guess I need a new source of support.[/b]
I hope you stick around because I know you'll find a lot of support here. MommaBear is very good about asking questions and sometimes brings a different perspective to the boards. Her information and ideas have been extremely valuable and thought-provking to me. I'm sorry that you felt offended....
Would you consider reposting your dilemma in the Schools forum? You might get more responses and input there.
Best of luck to you. I hope to see you posting here very soon. I know that if you do, you would offer and gain a lot from doing so.
Gail

Posted on: Sat, 08/30/2003 - 1:47am
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Just food for thought. At any time any of us could face a situation where the school or who ever could lose paperwork or an epi-pen with the name of the child. Usually this situation is not realized until the pens or paperwork is needed. We all know that our children have precious minutes in which there life can be saved. Lets all hope our children are in the hands of someone who will take moral action when faced with an ethical issue. Point: Horrible emergencies do arise and we all must be ready including our healthcare providers.

Posted on: Sat, 08/30/2003 - 1:48am
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Just food for thought. At any time any of us could face a situation where the school or who ever could lose paperwork or an epi-pen with the name of the child. Usually this situation is not realized until the pens or paperwork is needed. We all know that our children have precious minutes in which there life can be saved. Lets all hope our children are in the hands of someone who will take moral action when faced with an ethical issue. Point: Horrible emergencies do arise and we all must be ready including our healthcare providers.

Posted on: Sat, 08/30/2003 - 2:16am
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Quote:Originally posted by JOHNTYLERS MOM:
[b]Point: Horrible emergencies do arise and we all must be ready including our healthcare providers.[/b]
Point taken. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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