religious education

Posted on: Mon, 07/10/2006 - 2:33am
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I tried to sign dd up for religious ed classes. I explained her allergies to the director of religious ed. She said, "We do have another child who drops off an epipen in the office--not that I'd know how to use it." My jaw fell to the floor. I explained that wasn't good enough.

The director said, "We have a wonderful teacher who happens to be a nurse. She teaches the students who are in xx grade and she will be here on Tuesdays. I suggest you sign your daughter up for Tuesdays." I said O.K., but then hesitated.

She said, "You could remain in the building if you'd like, but that teacher is very nice and I'm sure you'd be more comfortable knowing that she is in the building."

Ummm...yeah. I think I will sign dd up for Tuesdays, but this nurse isn't there as a nurse. She is there as a teacher. And how will I know when she is out?

I'm trying to decide what to do. Do I just firm things up with this nurse/teacher and make sure I am notified if she is out? Do I offer to help out in one of the classrooms? Or should I just remain in the building and explain to dd's teacher that they NEED to get me if something happens? What would you do?

Of course, I'm late in signing dd up (don't ask why!) so the office is closed. All communication is being done through the mail at this point.

Why can't things be easy?

Posted on: Mon, 07/10/2006 - 4:59am
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Eek! Scary that she doesn't know how to use it but she is in charge of it.
I don't really have experience in this area so I don't have any advice other than making sure you talk to the teacher/nurse directly...and making sure she knows how to use it.
Just because she is a nurse doesn't mean she knows how to use an epi-pen. I've spoken to a number of nurses who have never seen an epi-pen...they don't use the epi-pen at the hospital or in offices - they have the syringe. And unless they are in the ER they aren't likely to be familiar with anaphalaxic reactions, though I'm sure they learned the basics in school at some point.

Posted on: Mon, 07/10/2006 - 6:11am
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We have been through a similar experience. Signed ds up at 3 for sunday school...then found out about PA before it started. They would only keep the epipen in the office and the director was not always in the office. DH or I ended up sitting outside the door with the epi EVERY Sunday so that he could have this first 'school experience'. It was horrible...they constantly had food...in fact it was part of the curriculum. When they wanted to have chocolate (remember that part in the new testament where Jesus eats chocolate? no, me neither) as part of their 'taste is a gift from God' lesson we wanted them to eliminate it and were told they wouldn't change their 'curriculum' for one child (chocolate is a curriculum???) At the time we were new to PA, learning gradually and avoiding all chocolate. (Now we eat lots of Hershey's Kisses =) Really though, it was just disrespectful of them.
Anyhow...sorry for the long story...but we just moved and picked a church with a homeschooling program. For now we signed up for that...sounds great anyhow. They offered to keep the epi in the office but it won't be necessary. It's just not a battle I'm prepared to fight yet. As soon as it is feasible, I will consider teaching a class each year so ds's can participate unless we just love homeschooling and it's irrelevant! They even offer classes off site in the teacher's home...talk about safe and convenient for my son!
Our rule is that our sons have immediate access to an epi and a trained adult at all times...no exceptions. When I am considering letting something slide by I double check myself with this rule. Otherwise how do I ask their grandparents, dh, etc...to do the same?
Luvmyboys

Posted on: Mon, 07/10/2006 - 7:02am
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I was pondering this myself recently. My son turns 6 in October, and those CCD classes will probably be called for fairly soon. But if I don't feel comfortable with their ability to deal with his allergies, then I'll do my best to teach about God myself.
On a side note, I always feel a little odd showing someone how to use the Epi-Pen when I've never used one myself (and hope to never have to).
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Posted on: Mon, 07/10/2006 - 11:02am
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Darkmage, have you gotten a practice epi? You can practice over and over. Also we save expired ones and try it on an orange...even let ds's preschool teachers try. Luvmyboys

Posted on: Mon, 07/10/2006 - 12:37pm
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I too sit in the hallway during my son's religious classes. I volunteered to monitor the bathrooms. Sometimes, I'll help the teacher with a craft or something. I look at the hour and a half as quiet time for me...get a lot of book reading done!

Posted on: Mon, 07/10/2006 - 2:25pm
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At least your religious education director will allow the epi pen to be left! Ours has deemed it a 'liability', and has forbidden the volunteer sunday school workers to administer it. I was so mad I said so you'd deny a drowning child a life preserver if you thought you could be sued? How Christ like is that? Don't think it went over well but I could give a monkey's butt. I also am not pressing it because we are leaving in three weeks.

Posted on: Mon, 07/10/2006 - 6:07pm
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I was told by our Catholic church that I was "dooming my son to a life in **** " because I won't leave him in the nursery / Sunday school area - mind you he was 8 months old at the time. Well they are giving him a death sentence because they refuse to see my position on not having snacks for the hour the kids are in class. At the time I was leaving him home with dad (who was more than happy to stay home), now I have just stopped going. Unfortunately the other two Catholic churches in my area are not much better. I guess it's time to look at another church (Presbyterian) we visited who seems to understand that some parents don't want to put their child in a nursery, so they have set up a corner in the back that allows the kids to play on the floor while their parents pay attention to the sermon. That is the Christian way of doing things in my book!
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Posted on: Tue, 07/11/2006 - 1:45am
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Looks like I'll probably stay in the building. Don't know if I'll volunteer yet or not. I'm going to write the director a letter and see how she takes it.
I'm sorry so many of you have had such lousy experiences! This is religious education! You would think everyone would want to help in any way possible. Drives me crazy when they preach one thing and then do another.

Posted on: Tue, 07/11/2006 - 7:25am
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I do have a trainer pen, and we use it once in a while.
Our Catholic church seems like they would be just fine with everything (based on how friendly everyone is there) but I've never questioned anyone yet. It's not the religion, it's the people!
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Posted on: Tue, 07/11/2006 - 10:59am
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Protestant here--so take this for what it is. I've had a church go peanut free for us. Not the church I'm in now, but I train all the Sunday School teachers every year how to respond to DS's peanut reaction.
We keep an Epi in a certain place in the church, and they know where it is, as well as a few other key people who are trained, including a physician who attends our church, as well as the parents of a TNA child.
This can be done.
I have talked about how Jesus calls us to radical inclusivity. I believe that.

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