Question about whose getting NPB money?

Posted on: Wed, 04/16/2003 - 2:50am
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It was raised in a recent and rather hot thread as to who is getting money from the National Peanut Board including the organizations outside of the U.S.? This is a quote from a magazine, The Peanut Farmer. This is also from a June 2002 issue so the information provided is not entirely up to date. Judging from other things I have seen and read since that time, I assume that the proposal$ were not rejected by the Anaphylaxis Campaign in the UK:

"The Peanut Foundation is taking what FAAN has learned about educating the public about peanut allergy management worldwide, says Howard Valentine, executive director. The National Peanut Board, the American Peanut Council, the Peanut Foundation and several state grower groups have funded research and education programs, including FAAN

Posted on: Wed, 04/16/2003 - 4:10am
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river, thank-you, as always, for posting this.
I am particularly enangered by this comment:-

Posted on: Wed, 04/16/2003 - 7:37pm
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I know I am going to regret this, but....
I am making some enquires to see if the camapign has accepted NPB money and why. This article is all too vague and the mention of bans to whishy washey for me to think that this is decent reporting.
But what I want from you are decent questions.
please list the reasons , with link how you think the NPB have affected our childrens lives, and how they will in the future.
looking forward to a decent constructive thread here please!!!!

Posted on: Wed, 04/16/2003 - 11:25pm
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Joined: 09/23/2002 - 09:00

Speaking of decent reporting...................
I spoke with Chet England yesterday from Burger King corp. [img][/img]
re: rumor of deep fried pb bits/sands.
I am waiting for an email from him. If it doesn't come today, I will call and confirm my email address with him.
Hoping I gave him an accurate description of my email address over the phone. [img][/img]
Now returning to the regularly scheduled thread [img][/img]

Posted on: Thu, 04/17/2003 - 1:20am
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Hi Sarah,
I'm not exactly sure what else I can say that I haven't already---or what you mean in the word 'decent.' But I'll try.
How is this type of arrangement harmful?
The assortment of American Peanut Industry organizations where involving themselves in peanut allergy issues years before the National Peanut Board was even created. They were not thinking internationally at that point. I think that this early 'intervention' is why people see such a difference between the U.S. and Canada when it comes to this issue.
The fact that peanut allergy ignorance has been pervasive in the U.S. gives some indication of the harm that can be done. Ignorance is always harmful.
American media has barely touched on an issue that by it's very nature would normally have them crawling all over it.
It's just beginning to be 'talked' about but in a very controlled way. Wherever it pops up in the media, there is either the National Peanut Board involved, (such as the incident with 48 Hours), or a NPB funded organization such as FAAN.
The National Peanut Board says outright that it closely monitors the media, in order to make 'corrections.' I personally find this an oppressive practice although not uncommon in the modern world.
So let's imagine that you head a small food allergy charity group, when all of a sudden some big cash starts coming your way. There's lots of talk over free restaurant dinners about how a 'partnership' makes sense---how, we're all in this together yada yada yada.
This money is pretty nice--- with it you can do all kinds of good things. Loads of awareness stuff, etc. Also, your job starts taking on a lot more importance. You're flown here and there. Quoted in newspapers----of course you need to give yourself a raise with all this new work.
Also with the money, your little charity has been able to grow. You've hired all kinds of new people---maybe moved to a new office---new furniture too?
Wow---now you're rocking! Your the head of quite an important organization and things are looking good.
The problem is that a very significant portion of your operating costs comes from your lovely benefactor. But this money is only a gift. There is no deal here, they can pull out anytime.
So what if they don't like something you say or do---of course they're going to pull out. Why should they give you money if you're just going to give them trouble. But if they do leave, you're not going to be able to continue on. People will have to be fired; you're going to have to take a big pay cut; and everything you worked so hard for will go down the tubes. Your entire world is now being threatened.
What do you do?
Rationalize---tell yourself well, they're not asking too much---maybe they're right---I have to continue making people aware----I have a whole stack of emails from people thanking me and asking for help----maybe they are right on this one---I can't let the rest of the people in the organization down---how can I tell Jane she's been let go---she's just bought a new house---no, I guess what they're asking isn't too much---no I think it does make sense.
Most people would reach this point.
The National Peanut Board is not a bunch of hillbillies who just fell off of the turnip truck. They hire savvy advertising agencies such as Gordian Marketing, who I believe advised them to set up the Scientific Advisory Council in order that they "own" peanut allergies.
How can any of this be beneficial to our children?

Posted on: Thu, 04/17/2003 - 1:36am
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Quote:Originally posted by river:
[b]The National Peanut Board is not a bunch of hillbillies who just fell off of the turnip truck. [/b]
Actually, that is the image of them that I have in my mind... hahaha [img][/img]
Although I would think it is more accurate to say [i]The National Peanut Board is not a bunch of hillbillies who just fell off of the peanut wagon[/i]
Seriously speaking, you do make a good point. Similar to the idea that President Bush's election campaign received tons of money from oil companies (and Dick Cheney also has personal links to oil companies) and surprise.. surprise... Bush is determined to drill for oil in the Alaskan wildlife refuge. Money makes the world go round and we eventually get dizzy from the spin.
The [b]Nutrition Action Newsletter[/b] printed by the CSPI (Centre for Science in the Public Interest) refuses to accept any advertising to prevent any appearance of a conflict of interest. For example, it would look odd to have an article promoting the health benefits of increased consumption of vitamin C next to an advertisement for Tropicana orange juice.
I guess another question would be is a substantial amount of the funding for the allergy association (ie: 70%) provided by the National Peanut Board, or is it an insignificant amount (ie: 10%). This would make a difference.

Posted on: Thu, 04/17/2003 - 1:46am
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river, I think my biggest concern and fear of having the NPB involved with allergy/anaphylaxis associations is that they will want to *push* the no ban thing and they provide, what appear to be legitimate arguments against bans (the false sense of security b/s, etc.).
We have a PA parent posting on this board right now who is having the most horrific time trying to get her son simply through the door of a public school with a 504 Plan.
She has been put through the ringer over something which most people consider simple.
Yes, all parents cry when their wee one first goes to school, but PA parents, in America, in particular, have to bloody fight to get their children in the doors of the school. Never mind just *normal* things like separation anxiety and crying as your wee one heads through the school door.
We have been extremely fortunate in parts of Canada, that we do have policy in place that gives our children the *right* to a peanut free classroom. Of course, it isn't always easy, as was proven again this year with the difficulties I had with Jesse's school or him having a reaction at school. And we still have different worries than a non-PA parent. It doesn't just go on the first day of school, for some people it goes on the whole year that our children are in school (some may suggest those types of parents need psychiatric help - NOT!).
Then, the school wants to be educated about PA and turns to what many considered a *trusted* assocation or organization like FAAN. They receive information saying that bans aren't needed (and in that one particular comment in your first post in this thread - that bans actually cause children to have more reactions - where the he** the logic in that comes from I will never understand) and you, the PA parent, as labeled Psycho Mom from He** and who knows what the school administration thinks of your child?
I live in Canada. I do have a relatively easy time of it as far as getting my PA son through the door of the school. However, once he's inside the door of a non-peanut-free school, I still have worries (which is okay, I recognize that my son has a potentially deadly food allergy).
Again, I'm concerned about allergy associations not helping us in the ways that we need to be helped. Now, as far as I can understand from what has been posted on this board, FAAN doesn't actively advocate AGAINST peanut free classrooms anymore. Perhaps they simply say nothing.
How does that help the PA parent that is trying to get her son through the door of the school period and who does have some requirements of the school?
Okay, so perhaps FAAN isn't there for advocating. Who the he** is?
I understand that peanut producers would love to see PA go away. I understand that they are losing a big market when there are rising numbers of PA children/people in the world. So, perhaps they are putting their money into associations to help make people more allergy aware and also perhaps to come up with a cure (notice the use of the word perhaps please). But, it does make one wonder.
To the best of my knowledge, and I would have to contact Chris and ask him, but I don't think receives any money whatsoever from the NPB.
Where is the best place that you know of to get information re PA? Is it FAAN or is it Where is the best place to get information about 504 Plans and how to get them implemented? Is it from the membership of or is it from FAAN?
I am concerned about the association between the NPB and allergy associations. It's a mixed concern.
As I posted in another one of your threads, river, re the NPB or the Peanut Bureau of Canada, many pharmaceutical companies donate money to associations that are there to help people with different medical conditions. I'll use The Migraine Foundation (or it might be The Migraine Association now) as my example again because I have been a member for years. Am I concerned that they receive a large part of their funding from Glaxo?
Yes, I am.
Their newsletter and the information contained within it has changed a lot from the days when the Foundation was run by one woman, Rosemary Dudley, who you could actually call and speak with on the phone when you were crying with your latest migraine.
I remember asking them a very specific question about re-bound headaches and the fine line between re-bound headaches and actual drug addiction. I never received a clear answer. Could that be because I was speaking about pharmaceutical drug addiction and I was asking a Foundation heavily funded by a drug company? I don't know.
I did receive information about re-bound headaches, which I already had. But I didn't receive an answer to my actual question - re pharmaceutical drug addiction.
Again, my concern, especially when I read that absolutely stupid remark in your first post, river, about bans and more reactions, is that we won't have places to turn to as easily when we need information.
I was very fortunate last year. I had to contact Anaphylaxis Canada by phone when I was asked to sign the liability waiver at Jesse's school. The woman I spoke with (not Jane Salter) was adamant that I NOT sign the waiver. Would she have been as adamant if half or more of her actual salary came from the NPB?
That's my basic concern with their involvement.
williamsmummy, I'm glad that river raised an issue that you want to look at more closely, for personal (and perhaps posting) reasons.
Please let us know what information you do receive.
river, again, thank-you. [img][/img]
Best wishes! [img][/img]

Posted on: Thu, 04/17/2003 - 1:56am
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I was wondering if the allergy associations and principals were also receiving donations from the Dairy Board "Got Milk" campaign and the Egg Board "The Incredible Edible Egg". This will help to put into perspective if this is a practice across-the-board, or if it is solely the NPB. Where can we access this information?

Posted on: Thu, 04/17/2003 - 2:39am
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Another thought, and please no flaming, is that it seems that FAAN is reluctant to endorse a peanut ban primarily because they are an association who represents various severe, anaphylactic food allergies. How would they choose to just select peanuts to ban?
My son has multiple anaphylactic food allergies, so that even with a peanut ban, he would not be safe (maybe 1/4 safer). I can see how if ones child is only PA, then a peanut ban would certainly make sense to ensure their child's safety. Hence, the need for an individualized plan, and the ability to create a safe environment for every child. Also, since it seems that severe allergies are increasing to various foods, maybe it would be beneficial to rally for "food-free classrooms" in schools to both ensure the safety of all severly allergic children and to have strength in numbers.
One more thing, I'll probably get flamed here, too, but Oh well. In my perspective, as the parent of a multiple FA child, I am not able to differentiate how the NPB does anything differently than the Dairy Board or Egg Assoc., or any other organization that represents a product to sell. They are all set up to represent their constituents, and will use their monies and influence to sell their product, and put a spin on anything that might disturb their bottom line. This is Free Enterprise; what is the alternative?

Posted on: Thu, 04/17/2003 - 3:34am
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Andrea, you bring up some good points worth discussing.
Your idea about food-free classrooms sounds great to me, but that doesn't address the bigger dangers of lunch rooms? Especially in schools that actually serve peanut butter.
You also indirectly raise a good question as to whether or not peanut allergies require a higher level of defense than other severe food allergies. I think so, given these facts:
-Children have died from exposure to trace amounts of peanut butter---this includes deaths at school and in camps.
-A peanut allergic person can possibly become airborne reactive at anytime.
-The nature of peanut molecules make it very easily transferable. Also the incredible sticky nature of peanut butter just adds to this problem.
-The incredible numbers of peanut allergic children add to the risk and make it more difficult to ensure safety.
Perhaps the Dairy and Egg Boards would be reacting the same way if they were faced with the numbers that the NPB faced. I don't know. I did a very quick search of various boards and most of them did not even address allergies. The ones that did appeared to be honest about it, (but that's just a fast glance.) Certainly if you find anything that does not tell the truth, you should email them out-right.
Free Enterprise is not an all out feeding frenzy. To be a healthy and functioning part of a democracy, it also requires ethics. WorldCom and Enron are good examples of where ethics were tossed out the window in the pure pursuit of profit.
Our world is a work in progress.

Posted on: Thu, 04/17/2003 - 5:08am
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Does FAAN, publish details on its accounts?
For instance every year allergyUK send me a yearly report that gives details of all income and outgoings etc, and where funding , donations came from.
As a member I have a right to see exactly what my money goes.
How do you all feel about NPB donations to fund the 'cure'?
What are there reasons for this? surely they dont need any more customers,? they have built themselves up in to a large filthy rich company after all, and if my vague memory serves me , it has produced a president hasnt it??!!! ( dont know which one, can barely remember the kings and queens of England these days!)
Perhaps they want to avoid being sued?, for growing a dangerous food?? !( Well, thats our/ societys fault for developing a compensation culture. )
Think how a legal action like that would effect our childrens lives?, it would lead to all our children being excluded from school life, and as employment.
Its seems that the main problem here is not the NPB, its the charitys that support them . Perhaps they are taking too much money from one source and allowing them too much control.
Its possible.
But is that fact?
We live in an odd world, we are in a minority here, a growing one, yes . But still for many, food allergy is not something the everyday person has heard of.
For the main part we are only going to make the national newspapers if someone dies, or in the medical sections that have articles on the lastest studies.
It could all appear as manipulation, but is just a simple lack of interest, there are after all so many small groups of people desparate for media to help them raise awareness of there conditions or cause.
I will come back to this soon, but the kids are off school for easter and need washing before MIL sees them tomorrow!!!

Posted on: Thu, 04/17/2003 - 5:26am
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I know that the part that angers/frustrates me is not the "Free Enterprise" part, yes the NPB was created to promote the peanut, they have that right and purpose. But the anger comes in when the people that WE (PA or FA families) have to turn too for help, direction and support are being "hushed" for the fear of loosing the $$ they are recieving from an organization that is definately going to be hurt financially in alot of areas, not just PA allergic families and schools.
Just think if the media did "jump" on this like they would if it were a cancer or disease such as the big hoopla on SARS (I'm not saying its not worthy of vast media attention, it is), but many people each year die from PA and the media would normally be jumping at this story especially with the Tanox coming we did get a bit of coverage but how long did it last? 3 days at say the media did its job on PA like they do other things that affect even smaller #'s of people...then they are going to loose money from alot of women who are pregnant or nursing, naturally the schools, parents of children under the age of 3-5, daycares, other places that are attractions for young children...and if I've/we've thought about this don't you think that the financial dept. of the peanut industry has thought about all the different areas of revenue they are going to loose if organizations such as FAAN (whom I think is one of the biggest organization that Drs, schools and the like turn to for support) The below is just IMO, no flaming intending [img][/img]
FAAN, IMO, has disappointed alot of children and families, they've helped alot also, but is it only when they don't have to speak against the $$ they are getting.
I don't buy the statement I've heard many many times that they don't advocate for bans b/c they are an organization for multiple allergies, there are different precautions for all different allergies, they could still manage to include a spot that says they think that eliminating the peanuts and by-products for children in schools definately reduces the risks of reactions, as long as everyone involved remembers its not a guarentee and therefore administrators and parents should not get a sense of security that elimination = guarantee...
Sarah, adding this in after ready your last post...My opinion on the NPB supporting the "cure" w/$$ is indeed in thier best interest. If there is a something that is going to reduce the reactions from minimal exposure and from accidentally ingesting it, how many PF accommadations are going to be AS neccessary? not as many w/o the shot.
I agree totally with your statement that it's the charitys/organizations that allow to be controlled by money they recieve.
That is wrong, would be the same IMO, as a Pastor of a church doing what one particular member wanted even though its not in the best interest of the church, b/c he doesn't want to loose the money that that member gives....Perfect comparasion IMO.
I agree 120% with River and her idea/suspicion on this...its a very legitimate concern.
I also agree with River stating the reasons precautions for PA is different than other FA.
River, thanks for bringing this up, its very worthy of attention and may open up thoughts that one might not have ever thought about, it has for me.
Lana [img][/img]
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Posted on: Thu, 04/17/2003 - 5:38am
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Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b]FAAN, IMO, has disappointed alot of children and families, they've helped alot also, but is it only when they don't have to speak against the $$ they are getting.
I don't buy the statement I've heard many many times that they don't advocate for bans b/c they are an organization for multiple allergies, there are different precautions for all different allergies, they could still manage to include a spot that says they think that eliminating the peanuts and by-products for children in schools definately reduces the risks of reactions, as long as everyone involved remembers its not a guarentee and therefore administrators and parents should not get a sense of security that elimination = guarantee...
I agree 120% with River and her idea/suspicion on this...its a very legitimate concern.
I also agree with River stating the reasons precautions for PA is different than other FA.
River, thanks for bringing this up, its very worthy of attention and may open up thoughts that one might not have ever thought about, it has for me.
Well said, Lana. river has changed my thinking, too.

Posted on: Thu, 04/17/2003 - 7:48am
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river, you FINALLY got some kudos to-day. I know you're not looking for them, but my soul, they are well deserved. [img][/img] I appreciate each thread you raise and each new topic you bring to *light* here. For me, although I need to know just general PA stuff to keep my PA son safe, I'm at a point with PA where I also have room to look at things you post and really think hard about them. This may not be so easy to a new PA parent.
Although FAAN does represent people with food allergies, not just PA, they certainly have spoken enough about how they do not believe in peanut bans, so regardless of them representing all FA's, they did manage to target PA in statements (and ones that certainly don't help a lot of us if we do require a peanut free classroom for our child).
river, I like how you outlined WHY people feel peanut/nut bans are more important than total food bans. I have a friend whose daughter is PA but also anaphylactic to milk.
However, she has found that milk, in the school environment, is SO easy to get cleaned up that it is not a big deal to her for her child not to be around milk. But it is for her to be around peanut products. It's that horrible residue thing again, and also, as you pointed out, the airborne reactions.
Kudos, river! [img][/img]

Posted on: Thu, 04/17/2003 - 12:36pm
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FAAN has their 2001 annual report on their website.
It lists some percentages of their budgets as 33% restricted grants and 16% unrestricted contributions (the rest consists of membership fees and merchandise sales). There were no specific numbers for particular contributors, so I called FAAN, and Nancy, who was in a meeting, will get back to me with the info (which I will post). I really would like to see, in numbers, what the contributions were from the NPB, as well as other food associations. River, it's not that I doubt what you are proposing, I just would like to be certain of the numbers and amount of possible influence, before we jump to conclusions.
I found the infamous quote from FAAN regarding their viewpoint on peanut bans. . .
Now, this Dr. Sicherer is on FAAN's Board of Medical Advisors, so I'm not sure if FAAN had adopted his opinion or visa versa. I, also, don't know how the NPB would figure into this equation(remember Dr. Hugh Sampson and Dr. Robert Wood are also advisors; what is their stance?) $$$ to pay for a viewpoint or just a differing opinion.
Personally, I'm glad that the NPB is giving money to help fund research. If my son could just be able to live without the constant need to avoid these dangers, that would be my greatest wish come true. I don't think that the NPB are doing it to gain us as additional customers, but, even though we are a small number in percentages, since we do need to be constantly vigilent, and with the seriousness of the allergy (people can die from their product), we must be really bad for business.
Our former president ex-peanut farmer was Jimmy Carter. I think that he was elected in spite of, rather than due to, this fact. He had a somewhat mediocre presidency, but has gone on to be very involved in many humanitarian efforts. He is also instrumental in the success of Habitat for Humanity, which is a huge volunteer organization which builds houses for those who cannot afford them, but expects work hours in return.
Thank you for raising this topic. It is really important for us to be aware and watchful.
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Posted on: Fri, 04/18/2003 - 9:29am
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I have found this thread to be very interesting, and whatever River says, she still does post new questions to ask. I dont always agree, but thats life.
So, new questions that I have to find answers to,
what are the rules and regulations for registration of charites in the UK,? and how do they compare with other countries.?
If possitive proof was found that charites where not acting in the best interests of their members , what action could be taken?
I love the phrase
'our world is a work in progress'
how true.
I think we should also remember, that peanuts are not the only foods that kill.
I too , know a child with not only PA, but a whole host of other food allergies, all potentially life threatening, milk included.
He had problems at pre-school when the children started blowing bubbles with milk near him. His medic alert bracelet does not list the foods he is allergic to, it simply says, ' severely allergic to most foods'.
In our rage over the companys that grow peanuts etc, we should not forget, that any food that has the potential to kill another person, creates an equal stress in many parents and adults.
It makes sense that schools should not serve peanut butter, I feel a school should be nut free. I just dont think that it would be physically possible for an entire school to be nut trace free. As long as children have pockets, for instance, and bring in food from outside school there is not a hope in hell. It is worthwhile , however, to work towards reducing the risk, and put more pressure on school staff to be ever vigilant.
children and adults have died from trace amounts of foods other than peanuts,thinking of cases off the top of my head, milk, kidney beans , almonds,fish etc etc.
Airborn reactions, well, yes , I suppose the potential is there, so is the potential for anyone to develop an allergy at anyone time in life.
fish can cause airborn reactions, so can kidney beans heated up in a microwave .
Must confess to deep hatred of dry roasted peanuts, these , in my opinon are the main culprits of airborn reactions.
Milk to me is a hard allergy, who has ever opened one of those little cartons of cream for your coffee or milk for tea?, and have it spray everywhere?
Who has gone to a restaraunt and found milk / milk shake splashed on a table?
Ever sat on a beach and found a lolly stick or part of an ice cream cone?
Watched small children open cartons of yogurt?
Oh, and cheese , thats greasy too, it sticks, it spreads , so does butter, and other spreads. In fact milk is in nearly every packet of food.
The same as peanut. The same as tree nuts.
I am not saying that we should not be on our guard with relation to peanut avoidance, I am simply saying that we should keep things in proportion here.
I too would love a cure, to be able to stike peanuts of Williams list would be wonderful, but there would still be the risk of other foods .
His life style of avoidance would not change unless all of his food allergies were cured.
The best that we can hope for, as a family is that we can strike one off the list, but as we have found, even those allergies the experts have said he would have grown out of , has not really happened.

Posted on: Fri, 04/18/2003 - 11:15am
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Interesting reading, from The Peanut, comments?
I'm not sure how I feel but this to me creates more questions than it answers.
Thaks for posting the article River, I wish I had all the answers. All I know is it makes me feel uncomfortable.
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Posted on: Fri, 04/18/2003 - 12:14pm
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WOW! That link is pretty interesting! A must read...

Posted on: Fri, 04/18/2003 - 11:57pm
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Joined: 07/15/1999 - 09:00

"less than 200,000 Americans"? I don't think so.
"charcoal solution...absorbs all the peanut protein left in the stomach"? An allergy where the smallest trace amounts in the blood stream can cause death and this is a solution?

Posted on: Sat, 04/19/2003 - 12:37am
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Joined: 12/06/2001 - 09:00

Is the NPB suggesting that this charcoal drink is an effective alternative (for a child afraid of the epi-pen)? Seems like the NPB is giving medical advice... talk about liability!

Posted on: Sat, 04/19/2003 - 12:45am
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Joined: 12/06/2001 - 09:00

Quote:Originally posted by Cindy Spowart Cook:
Okay, so perhaps FAAN isn't there for advocating. Who the he** is?
Where is the best place that you know of to get information re PA? Is it FAAN or is it Where is the best place to get information about 504 Plans and how to get them implemented? Is it from the membership of or is it from FAAN?
Excellent questions!
Might I also put forward Rhonda RS ([url][/url]) as an option?
I had a recent conversation about this w/ the "legislative guy" Chris at FAAN.
Perhaps a new thread??
[This message has been edited by Gail W (edited April 19, 2003).]

Posted on: Sat, 04/19/2003 - 8:37am
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Although I can see the relationship between a drug overdose where you're given charcoal to drink (just saw it again on Third Watch the other night) and the ingestion of peanut products - i.e., both toxins in your system, I can't imagine why someone would say that charcoal should be given for an anaphylactic reaction. Not when that is not the recommended and most effective treatment. And I don't think you can buy the charcoal solution to do it yourself at home, so it would be something done in a hospital, so why would any hospital use this as a method for treating an anaphylactic reaction? Doesn't make sense to me. [img][/img]
Best wishes! [img][/img]

Posted on: Wed, 04/23/2003 - 12:24pm
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Joined: 12/04/2001 - 09:00

I do FAAN and They both have there uses and focus. We need all the help we can get! PA are a big issue to be handled - I'll take all the views I can get.
For 504 go to and get some materials. That is what we did.

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