Question About Lunch

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 2:19am
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Would it be acceptable or reasonable to any of you to have your peanut allergic child in elementary school sit in the office conference room with one or two other children (they would have hot lunch, so their lunch would be safe)and NOT be supervised by anyone for lunch?

Give me your feedback please!

Tracy

[This message has been edited by bandbmom (edited May 18, 2006).]

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 2:57am
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Well, [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img], let me think..... NO WAY! NEVER! Not acceptable. Not reasonable. For a multitude of reasons children sitting in an office conference room, in the office, whatever -- not okay, especially unsupervised. Children should be eating with their peers. Their experience shouldn't be one of isolation and exclusion. And it most definitely should never be that elementary school students are ever, ever, unsupervised -- and that goes double, triple, etc., for FA children during times of eating.

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 3:06am
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I could imagine a child seated separately WITH some friends IF it were a very sensitive child who felt most secure and happy seated separately.
However, NO elementary child, FA or not, should be left unsupervised for lunch. What if they choked? What if they got bored and decided to burn down the school or something? You just don't leave elementary children unsupervised. That's crazy.

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 3:19am
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Oy. That's very telling and worrisome. I mean, if that's acceptable and reasonable to them, it begs the question, [i]When else are students left unsupervised? [/i]

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 6:21am
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That was why Nathan Walters died. He was not feeling well, so they left him on the bus ALONE on a field trip. Back to your question, isn`t this illegal? This came up for us this year. Our school does not allow it. Dd`s 504 says on the days the caf serves pb, dd eats in the classroom with two friends and a teacher. However, this years` teacher is not there at lunch. So we were discussing options. The teacher said that they are not allowed to have kids in the classroom unattended, but if I wanted she would consider trying to get special permission since dd is in 5th grade, is very responsible, if something happened her friends age 10 would go get help. I did not feel comfortable with it and we decided dd and two friends would eat with a previous teacher on pb days. The point is it is against school rules and the teacher offerred to try to get special permission. I would think that there would be some sort of law about kids being in a room unattended, especially as young as your ds.
[This message has been edited by Carefulmom (edited May 18, 2006).]

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 6:31am
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Ummmmm.......let me think, here...
How can I put this?
[b]
No.
Nyet.
Nein.
Non.
.
.
.
[/b]
[i]no no no no no no no no no no no no no[/i]
How can reasonable adults possibly think leaving a severely allergic child unsupervised by one or more competent adults AT ANY TIME is acceptable?
Let's see? Who could you sue if something went wrong there? [i]Oh, the possibilities are just about endless, really.[/i]
(shaking head) Good grief. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img] What next from them?

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 6:35am
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Quote:Originally posted by gvmom:
[b]Well, [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img], let me think..... NO WAY! NEVER! Not acceptable. Not reasonable. For a multitude of reasons children sitting in an office conference room, in the office, whatever -- not okay, especially unsupervised. Children should be eating with their peers. Their experience shouldn't be one of isolation and exclusion. And it most definitely should never be that elementary school students are ever, ever, unsupervised -- and that goes double, triple, etc., for FA children during times of eating. [/b]
ditto

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 8:03am
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Quote:Originally posted by Corvallis Mom:
[b]How can reasonable adults possibly think leaving a severely allergic child unsupervised by one or more competent adults AT ANY TIME is acceptable?[/b]
I called the 504-C this morning. The princ. is REFUSING to provide Brandon a dedicated lunch monitor at the pnut free table.
Their alternative offer is having him eat in the conference room with one or two buddies but she states that he does not need to be supervised because there is no danger of coming in contact with pnut butter. I said that even putting his allergy aside, what if he chokes or needs help?
She told me, I kid you not, that "her" daughter eats in the other room and "she" certainly doesn't have to stand over her and watch her while she eats every second (I assume she's talking about this going on at home) and that they are certainly not going to hire a lunch monitor to watch over him in this situation.
Not going to argue. Bottom line, it is ridiculous to even say that 6 and 7 year olds (or any children of elementary age) should be left to eat unsupervised.
Just wanted to confirm with all of you what I already knew.

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 9:43am
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Nope, I wouldn't either. That's the last thing my DD would want, to be singled out and not included with the rest of her friends. Its almost like isolating them and not really dealing with the situation at hand, IMHO.
My DD is in the fifth grade and has sat at a peanut free table all 6 years (K-5). It is part of the lunch room, just designated PF so that no peanuts/nuts come in contact with it. She's never felt left out as all her friends can sit there and the table is always full. Now, when she goes to Middle School next year, they don't have PF tables. They figure the kids who are allergic will sit with their friends and give them some sort of independence (something I'm still trying to accept!). I've spoken with the nurse and they have been doing this now for years and it seems to be working.

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 9:48am
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[quote]Originally posted by bandbmom:
[B]
Not going to argue. Bottom line, it is ridiculous to even say that 6 and 7 year olds (or any children of elementary age) should be left to eat unsupervised.
Just reread your post. Even in our school, K-5 is supervised by lunch aides and the assistant principal. Also, if I'm not mistaken, our middle & high school has the teachers monitor the lunches.

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 10:57am
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have they put this in writing?

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 11:09am
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Quote:Originally posted by qdebbie1:
[b]have they put this in writing?[/b]
No.

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 10:13pm
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Remember now...you are dealing with a bunch of bozos. They have had these unreasonable "ideas" from the start...really...why should this be any different???
Can you refresh my memory...why the dedicated lunch monitor? How is the cafeteria set up? I am actually going through this right now for next year and I am wondering what specifically is not working for you. You can email me if you would prefer.
To answer your question, your child should not be excluded from any events, including field trips (yeah right) and from enjoying lunch with peers.
How many days are left in this school year? Or have you broken it down to minutes and seconds?? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] You have got to be burnt out of dealing with this. Take care,
Donna

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 2:57am
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Well, [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img], let me think..... NO WAY! NEVER! Not acceptable. Not reasonable. For a multitude of reasons children sitting in an office conference room, in the office, whatever -- not okay, especially unsupervised. Children should be eating with their peers. Their experience shouldn't be one of isolation and exclusion. And it most definitely should never be that elementary school students are ever, ever, unsupervised -- and that goes double, triple, etc., for FA children during times of eating.

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 3:06am
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I could imagine a child seated separately WITH some friends IF it were a very sensitive child who felt most secure and happy seated separately.
However, NO elementary child, FA or not, should be left unsupervised for lunch. What if they choked? What if they got bored and decided to burn down the school or something? You just don't leave elementary children unsupervised. That's crazy.

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 3:19am
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Oy. That's very telling and worrisome. I mean, if that's acceptable and reasonable to them, it begs the question, [i]When else are students left unsupervised? [/i]

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 6:21am
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That was why Nathan Walters died. He was not feeling well, so they left him on the bus ALONE on a field trip. Back to your question, isn`t this illegal? This came up for us this year. Our school does not allow it. Dd`s 504 says on the days the caf serves pb, dd eats in the classroom with two friends and a teacher. However, this years` teacher is not there at lunch. So we were discussing options. The teacher said that they are not allowed to have kids in the classroom unattended, but if I wanted she would consider trying to get special permission since dd is in 5th grade, is very responsible, if something happened her friends age 10 would go get help. I did not feel comfortable with it and we decided dd and two friends would eat with a previous teacher on pb days. The point is it is against school rules and the teacher offerred to try to get special permission. I would think that there would be some sort of law about kids being in a room unattended, especially as young as your ds.
[This message has been edited by Carefulmom (edited May 18, 2006).]

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 6:31am
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Ummmmm.......let me think, here...
How can I put this?
[b]
No.
Nyet.
Nein.
Non.
.
.
.
[/b]
[i]no no no no no no no no no no no no no[/i]
How can reasonable adults possibly think leaving a severely allergic child unsupervised by one or more competent adults AT ANY TIME is acceptable?
Let's see? Who could you sue if something went wrong there? [i]Oh, the possibilities are just about endless, really.[/i]
(shaking head) Good grief. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img] What next from them?

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 6:35am
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Quote:Originally posted by gvmom:
[b]Well, [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img], let me think..... NO WAY! NEVER! Not acceptable. Not reasonable. For a multitude of reasons children sitting in an office conference room, in the office, whatever -- not okay, especially unsupervised. Children should be eating with their peers. Their experience shouldn't be one of isolation and exclusion. And it most definitely should never be that elementary school students are ever, ever, unsupervised -- and that goes double, triple, etc., for FA children during times of eating. [/b]
ditto

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 8:03am
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Quote:Originally posted by Corvallis Mom:
[b]How can reasonable adults possibly think leaving a severely allergic child unsupervised by one or more competent adults AT ANY TIME is acceptable?[/b]
I called the 504-C this morning. The princ. is REFUSING to provide Brandon a dedicated lunch monitor at the pnut free table.
Their alternative offer is having him eat in the conference room with one or two buddies but she states that he does not need to be supervised because there is no danger of coming in contact with pnut butter. I said that even putting his allergy aside, what if he chokes or needs help?
She told me, I kid you not, that "her" daughter eats in the other room and "she" certainly doesn't have to stand over her and watch her while she eats every second (I assume she's talking about this going on at home) and that they are certainly not going to hire a lunch monitor to watch over him in this situation.
Not going to argue. Bottom line, it is ridiculous to even say that 6 and 7 year olds (or any children of elementary age) should be left to eat unsupervised.
Just wanted to confirm with all of you what I already knew.

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 9:43am
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Nope, I wouldn't either. That's the last thing my DD would want, to be singled out and not included with the rest of her friends. Its almost like isolating them and not really dealing with the situation at hand, IMHO.
My DD is in the fifth grade and has sat at a peanut free table all 6 years (K-5). It is part of the lunch room, just designated PF so that no peanuts/nuts come in contact with it. She's never felt left out as all her friends can sit there and the table is always full. Now, when she goes to Middle School next year, they don't have PF tables. They figure the kids who are allergic will sit with their friends and give them some sort of independence (something I'm still trying to accept!). I've spoken with the nurse and they have been doing this now for years and it seems to be working.

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 9:48am
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[quote]Originally posted by bandbmom:
[B]
Not going to argue. Bottom line, it is ridiculous to even say that 6 and 7 year olds (or any children of elementary age) should be left to eat unsupervised.
Just reread your post. Even in our school, K-5 is supervised by lunch aides and the assistant principal. Also, if I'm not mistaken, our middle & high school has the teachers monitor the lunches.

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 10:57am
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have they put this in writing?

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 11:09am
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Quote:Originally posted by qdebbie1:
[b]have they put this in writing?[/b]
No.

Posted on: Thu, 05/18/2006 - 10:13pm
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Remember now...you are dealing with a bunch of bozos. They have had these unreasonable "ideas" from the start...really...why should this be any different???
Can you refresh my memory...why the dedicated lunch monitor? How is the cafeteria set up? I am actually going through this right now for next year and I am wondering what specifically is not working for you. You can email me if you would prefer.
To answer your question, your child should not be excluded from any events, including field trips (yeah right) and from enjoying lunch with peers.
How many days are left in this school year? Or have you broken it down to minutes and seconds?? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] You have got to be burnt out of dealing with this. Take care,
Donna

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