possible reaction to soynut butter

Posted on: Mon, 12/16/2002 - 8:58am
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I was wondering if anyone has ever used IM Healthy Soynut Butter? I purchased it today for the first time. I have used other soynut butter in the past, but probably not in a year or so. This one drew my attention because it was made in a peanut free facility. ( stated on the jar ) I gave it to my DD for lunch. She took a few bites of her sandwich and said she really didn't want it. Not unusual for her because she is quite fussy. However, about five minutes later I noticed that she had a hive around her mouth. (That is where she always gets them.)I kept an eye on her and within an hour, it was gone. I was not convinced it was not the bread because it was a new kind for us. So, I just gave her another small taste of the soynut butter. Sure enough, another small hive developed. Here is the ingredient list:
roasted soybeans,naturally presed soybean oil, maltodextin( from corn),soy protein isolate,honey,granulated cane juice, mono&diglycerides(derived from vegetable oil ) salt. I was thinking about te listing of " vegetable oil".
I would love to know if anyone has used this or has any thoughts about why she reacted?
Thanks!
Denise

Posted on: Mon, 12/16/2002 - 9:19am
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Does your DD regularly consume other soy products (I don't mean products with small quantities of soybean oil - I mean like tofu, etc.)? If not, she may be allergic to soy. Not too shocking, since soy is a legume also.
Good luck unravelling this mystery. Glad she's OK.
Amy

Posted on: Mon, 12/16/2002 - 11:46am
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My pa son eats I M Healthy soybutter without problems. Just a thought -- was the bread from a store or homemade? I have noticed that more and more sandwich breads have the "may contain traces of nuts" warning on them. It makes me wonder if the sandwich breads without the warnings are safe or just not nice enough to warn us. We haven't had any problem with sandwich bread, but I rarely buy it because I'm a bread machine addict. I was under the impression the I M Healthy brand is 100% safe (from reading other posts) although some other brands are made on shared equip. I would love to know if I'm wrong. I'm not one to take a lot of chances! good luck

Posted on: Mon, 12/16/2002 - 12:47pm
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Amy,
My daughter is allergic to legumes. I was never told by my allergist to avoid soy products. She has never had tofu. I feel so stupid. Is soy something I should be avoiding? She does have things with soybean oil all the time without problems. What other items contain soy?
Denise

Posted on: Mon, 12/16/2002 - 1:23pm
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Denise- The same thing happened to my PA DD after about 1/4 teaspoon (not on bread) of IM Healthy chocolate soy nut butter. She developed one hive near her mouth, then was fine. We called the company and posted here about it. I don't know why my DD or yours reacted. We consider DD allergic to IM Healthy chocolate soy nut butter!

Posted on: Tue, 12/17/2002 - 12:49am
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Hi Momofjen:
My son is PA, and although we do not have to avoid ALL soy (meaning that I don't have to scour labels looking for whether soy is included in a product) our Dr. recommended he should refrain from consistently consuming foods that are highly concentrated in soy (like soynut butter and tofu) as there is a chance that a soy allergy could develop. I want to again say that he tolerates soy as an ingredient in foods with no problem.
We do use the soynut butter for his siblings.
Kelly

Posted on: Tue, 12/17/2002 - 3:16am
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Thanks Kelly,
Is your son allergic to legumes? My daughter was only tested for peas and it was positive. The allergist said to avoid all legumes. I was told she could have green beans because they are not a legume. She does occasionally eat string beans because I thought they were considered green beans. She is fine after eating them. Just when I think I have it all figured out, I have something new to worry about.
Denise

Posted on: Tue, 12/17/2002 - 3:28am
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Does Soynut butter look and taste like Peanut Butter? I've been afraid to have it in the house since my PA son is only 2. I'm afraid he'll get confused about the difference when he actually sees Peanut Butter. How do you all handle this?

Posted on: Tue, 12/17/2002 - 8:19am
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Quote:Originally posted by momofjen:
[b]Amy,
My daughter is allergic to legumes. I was never told by my allergist to avoid soy products. She has never had tofu. I feel so stupid. Is soy something I should be avoiding? She does have things with soybean oil all the time without problems. What other items contain soy?
Denise[/b]
If your daughter is allergic to legumes, she should definitly avoid soy, which not only is a legume, but is probably the legume PA individuals are most likely to react to. (My PA son is also soy-allergic.) I've read that lentils are also likely to cause a reaction.
If your daughter reacted to the IM Healthy Soynut butter, then yes, your daughter should avoid soy. As far as the soybean oil goes, she may very well be able to consume the oil and also soy lecithin without trouble because both of these products are processed in such a way that all/nearly all of the soy protein is removed.
As far as what other products contain soy, well it's easier to list products that *don't* contain soy, since soy (in the form of soybean oil or soy lecithin) is in almost every commercially prepared food. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
OTOH, if your daughter is not sensitive to the oil or soy lecithin, that makes it much easier. In that case, the biggies to watch out for are tofu (as you mentioned), soy sauce (which pretty much rules out asian food), veggie burgers and other fake meats, tempeh, soy protein isolate (or concentrate). I'm sure there are others, but I'm having trouble thinking of them right now.
Hope this helps,
Debbie

Posted on: Tue, 12/17/2002 - 8:19am
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Yes it does look and smell like peanut butter. It is just a judgement call on your part. My two year old eats IM Healthy soy butter daily with no problems. We are very careful to call it "soy butter." He stays at home with me so I figure when he is older I will be able to fully explain the difference.
Jaime

Posted on: Tue, 12/17/2002 - 9:17am
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I would suspect the honey. Is he allergic to bees or wasps?
I am sure I read somewhere that some persons allergic to bees have problems with honey, too. Anyone else read this?
Also, where was the honey made at...maybe it wasn't made in a peanut free facility.

Posted on: Tue, 12/17/2002 - 10:28am
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Yes Momofjen, soy is indeed a legume. My PA son seems to tolerate it just fine, but our allergist told us to limit the amount of soy he consumes (he used to consume a lot, as he was allergic to milk and we did not yet know about the PA).
I would definitely mention this to your allergist and have her tested, but in the meantime avoid soy.
Amy

Posted on: Tue, 12/17/2002 - 12:32pm
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Thanks for all your great replies. Debbie, I never would have thought of soy sauce. I know that she has had it before without incident. She has never had any asian food, but my husband does sometimes use it to make fried rice at home. I think I will have to give the allergist a call and ask to have her tested for soy specifically.
Also, I have never heard of any link between bees and honey. She was never tested for a bee allegry.
Denise

Posted on: Tue, 12/17/2002 - 1:25pm
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soy sauce is very low protein. some soy allergics can have it, some cannot. same with soy bean oil. there was a study that showed soy lecithin *can* cause allergic reactions.
i'm severely allergic to soy. i can't eat ANYTHING made from it. i avoid vitamin e/tocopherols, mono&diglycerides, lecithin, oil, etc, if i don't know the source. in fact, my peanut allergy is actually *secondary* to my soy allergy. i developed PA as a result of my soy allergy (eating a handful of peanuts nightly after having the soy allergy diagnosed wasn'ta smart idea).
anyhow, some folks can have it, some cannot. many nut/legume butters seem to be prepared on shared lines. [img]/peanut/boards/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif[/img] maybe it was contaminated?
i still consume other legumes, but i try not to eat them every single day.
and yes, green beans, aka string beans, *are* legumes.
-ygg

Posted on: Fri, 12/20/2002 - 12:16am
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Hi Momofjen:
(Sorry for the delay in my reply, I just saw your question to me today!).
No, my son is not technically allergic to legumes. However, when we was tested for food allergies after his anaphylactic reaction to a PBJ, our doctor told me that although he was not allergic to soy, that his "numbers" on the soy were elevated and it would be wise to limit soy intake on products that have a high soy concentration.
So we have just continued to avoid those types of soy foods (soynut butter, tofu (which I don't think I would know how to cook anyway!haha), etc.
Hope this helps. I have let him "try" soynut butter (because he was really curious)...but he didn't like it anyway. Again, we use it as a substitute for his siblings.
Regarding the age/confusion over peanut butter thing... I did not introduce soynut butter to the household until my boys (they are triplets) were 4 years old. I, too, was afraid they would not "get" that regular peanut butter was not the same thing. At 4 years old they really did grasp the difference.
Regards,
Kelly

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