Peanut Protein in Sesame Oil?

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I found the following information on sesame oil on this web site: [url="http://www.allerg.qc.ca/peanutallergy.htm"]http://www.allerg.qc.ca/peanutallergy.htm[/url] (scroll down and click on 'sesame seeds and oil'.

"Sesame oil, derived from sesame (which is not a nut) used frequently, will often contain considerable amounts of peanut proteins."

I'd like to know if anyone with PA avoids sesame oil?

This web site has a lot of interesting information and statistics on PA.

On Jun 20, 2005

Hmm... I would be very interested in hearing more about this. My PA child has had sesame oil in a *yummy* chicken soup recipe we got from the Washington Post & she has never had any problems but it tastes so nutty that it always makes me nervous.

Typically the vendors/manufacturers I have seen of sesame oil also make other supplies for chinese foods.. I wonder if the peanut protein comes from cross contamination or what?

On Jun 20, 2005

I use sesame oil in stir-fry recipes. My daughter hasn't had any problems because of it, but now I wonder if it's a risk?

On Jun 20, 2005

Adele -

I have been avoiding sesame oil with my PA son, for this reason (I remember reading the same thing you did, but I'm not sure if it was off the same website - it probably was though, as I have visited that site).

I always assumed it was a cross-contamination issue, and felt that since most the sesame oils were imported products that they were maybe not labelled for cross-contamination. (Note these are only my own conclusions, not necessarily based in fact!)

On Jun 20, 2005

Hi to all who posted.... I didn't want to alarm people by questioning sesame oil......but would like to know if anyone has further info on the subject. Also, do we have to worry about sunflower oil?

I recently called Holsum Bakery (they make Aunt Hatties bread). I was told they don't use peanuts in the plant where Aunt Hatties bread is made. However, there are sunflower seeds in the bread. I read online this morning that sunflower seeds are often cross-contaminated with PN. So do we have to worry about peanut-free bread that is laced with cross-contamined sunflower seeds? Where does it all end?

Thanks...Adele

On Jun 21, 2005

I had a thread on this a while ago because I remember reading that same quote about sesame oil and peanut protein. On the other thread, at least one person mentioned that they safely eat sesame oil. Erik was one that comes to mind who said this. Still, I've been nervous to let my son try it. All of them are imported from asia so how can one be sure that there is no cross contamination with peanut?

On Jun 21, 2005

Oh my soul, Adele. I am shocked.

My son certainly eats products made with sesame oil. As far as what oil I buy for the house, I tend to buy olive oil and for less expensive, I buy canola oil (always reading the label after I saw that 100% Canola Oil with a label that read "may contain trace peanuts").

I have probably never bought sesame oil in my life to use in my home. Sunflower oil, definitely, and definitely since PA diagnosis.

And my guy has eaten products (pre-packaged) that have had sesame seed oil in them, definitely.

Gosh darn it, what was the ingredient list for those flipping Boca Burgers?

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 21, 2005

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Originally posted by Adele: [b] However, there are sunflower seeds in the bread. I read online this morning that sunflower seeds are often cross-contaminated with PN. So do we have to worry about peanut-free bread that is laced with cross-contamined sunflower seeds? Where does it all end?

Thanks...Adele[/b]

Okay, Adele, with this one. I don't have any 7 grain bread in the house right now because my children have taken to eating plain gummy yucky white bread, which started about a year ago and with only one big person here who doesn't eat a lot of bread, I don't buy different kinds. Whatever.

However, my PA guy lived on 7 grain bread until he was 8 years old. I'm not sure if it had sunflower seeds in it or not because I know I can't buy 12 grain for him because it gets too seedy and crunchy and he can't deal with that. KWIM?

Okay, personally, would I worry about a cross-contaminated with peanut sunflower making it into my loaf of bread? Question has never crossed my mind. Then again, I don't want sunflower seeds in my bread. But no, I, personally, would not worry about it.

However, having said that, and perhaps totally contradicting myself, I have yet to find sunflower seeds (shelled) that are PA safe - all of the packaged sunflower seeds read "may contain" so I can't make this wonderful sunflower seed casserole I used to make all of the time.

It's like a bit of loosening up I did within the last year - still not completely comfortable with it. My son is not TNA. So, I think twice now, I have allowed him to eat "may contain tree nut" products.

I mean, there's a 1 in 5 chance that it does contain the tree nut, but he's not TNA. This is just something I changed within the last year, and, as I say, I'm not totally comfortable with it because it was a change and I figure our comfort zone works as best as it can for us.

I had a phase where I went through this whole weird thing about seeds and yet my son isn't allergic to any. He eats them all now (poppy and sesame), but not sunflower only because I can't find one that doesn't say "may contain".

I don't know, Adele. I know it is so difficult to find your comfort zone and explain it to other people (and even explain it to yourself).

Can I say that you are able to process stuff at your own pace (as long as you're not doing anything outright dangerous) and make little adjustments along the way as the need fits? Does that make sense?

Maybe it's time for the "comfort zone" thread to be re-raised, just to have a gander at what other people are doing (why isn't it "just to have a goose at what other people are doing"). Man, is it time for bed.

I'll re-raise the comfort zone thread - don't know if it helps or not, but maybe some people would like to add.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 21, 2005

Okay. Got it. I think.

Tree nuts. With response to the sunflower seed question.

We avoid tree nuts because they may be cross contaminated with peanuts. Okay.

My local grocery has a bakery where they use tree nuts but NO peanuts at all.

I figure, what are the chances of a tree nut being cross contaminated with peanut, coming into the bakery, and then contaminating something else?

That's why I've been able to purchase birthday cakes and other baked goods from our local grocer (not just where I live now). Because they have tree nuts in the bakery but not peanuts.

But maybe I didn't quite light bulb that one because we still don't buy tree nut products whereas you want to know if you can buy the sunflower product.

I'm going to bed.

Comfort zone thread is re-raised. After a 9 page search, I do have to wonder if I have raised every question under the sun about PA in that particular section of the board (which no, I have not, but it would appear to, under three different names) and also, I still love that thread. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 22, 2005

csc, I guess my question about sesame oil and sunflower seeds is a comfort zone thing. I'm curious to hear if Erik avoids these things (will have to wait on this - I think he's busy). So now I"m back on the 'comfort zone' subject again....stll trying to figure it out.

For example, I'm attending an 80th birthday next weekend. I stopped by the Italian restaurant where it will be held to ask a few questions about the menu for the party. The chef said the party will be buffet style - there are pine nuts in the pesto but he doesn't use PN in the restaurant. But (CYA) he said he doesn't know if his ingredients are 100% PN free.

So I guess this will also be a comfort thing. Do I say 'the h**** with it - and load up my plate....or do I just stick with plain green salad?' What would you do?

If I were the non-PA parent of a PA child I wouldn't have any trouble justifying my caution to keep my child safe. But when you're a grown-up and suddenly have to avoid PN after eating them for 55 years....it feels very obsessive. Are there any other new adult-onset PA's on the boards?

On Jun 22, 2005

Adele, can't speak for erik of course, but I think you will find that he does not avoid sunflower or sesame seed oil. Remember, again, we're in Canada, and our labeling is great, so even on a bottle of Canola Oil I have seen the warning "may contain trace peanuts".

That's why when I've asked a restaurant, say, what type of oil they use and they say canola, I will ask them to actually check their oil container. Because I did run across that one (why can't I say bloody) bottle.

As far as the restaurant this week-end. No peanuts in the restaurant whatsoever? Do they make all of their own pastas and breads on the premises? Or is there the possibility that they may be buying "may contain" products for the restaurant?

See, I pretty well behave as though I am PA myself. I will never eat another blatant peanut product in my life. NEVER. I can say that now and swear on my children. Just can't think of doing it. My DH, not living with us, but in close proximity, he is eating "may contain" products at his Mother's (or shall we just say that it's their combined space now [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img] ) BUT what I found really super about that is that even though he is only eating "may contains" and maybe not even seeing the children daily, he is going and brushing his teeth and washing his hands straight away. So, he really "gets it" re PA (too bad about other things).

I will definitely eat things that I wouldn't let my son eat when I am not in my home - "may contains", "made ins" and very infrequently a tree nut in a butter tart.

So, if it was me going to the restaurant, I would go and enjoy the buffet.

If I was taking my guy, first of all, if there is any risk at all, he couldn't even have the green salad, but what I would do is if the gentleman said there are no peanuts on the premises (and I assume nothing served with peanuts like some desserts or anything brought in), I would just query a bit further and ask him if their bread and pasta is made there, and if it was, my guy would be eating the same as everyone else.

However, that's my comfort zone (and yes, for my 9 year old). Different members here may very well tell you that NO, they would NOT allow their child to eat there.

See, I'm trying to find a peanut free Chinese Food restaurant so that my guy could try some *real* Chinese food. Let's say it's not a top priority or I would have researched it already, but it's something in my mind. I know he can't do Thai. But just regular Chinese food like we had when I was a kid every Saturday night.

Did you read the "comfort zone" thread?

Also, I did pose the question separately and don't have the time to find it right now, but I did want to know if comfort zones were related to reactions - it's under Living with PA somewhere.

My guy has had five reactions all together, three of which were anaphylactic. The two to those soy burgers, I'm not even counting as reactions yet because I still haven't found the cause (although with one mystery reaction, well, I knew the cause). But I'm not calling those reactions yet until I've done more research/calling/whatever re that.

I'm not sure if people think my comfort zone is lax considering that my child almost died.

But I do know in re-reading the comfort zone thread last night, I found a lot of people that welcomed reading it because they were trying to find their way.

I believe there was a new member this week, adult onset.

Anna Marie, of course, wouldn't be using sesame seed oil and neither would nick (both adult onset) because they're sesame seed allergic as well.

It must be very difficult. I'm not clear if SharonA. is posting at another PA website or not, but she was also adult onset (in her forties at the time, I believe) and I do think I saw her somewhere else. She might be someone you'd like to speak with. I do believe I have her e-mail address (current) if you would like to let me know and I'll e-mail her and see if it's okay if you e-mailed her (did that make sense?).

I don't know what is wrong with me. I mean, I've been into babble speak since last night and I'm not clear why. I mean, it's not like I've done anything that would make me this way - maybe it's because I'm tired, who knows? But my apologies regardless.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 22, 2005

Adele,

My son tried my chinese chicken salad for the first time last week and hated the dressing. I have to assume it was the sesame oil and I also assume it was allergy since he has an aversion to most of what he is allergic to.

Peg

On Jun 22, 2005

Hello csc, I just realized you and Cindy S. Cook are one and the same! I've been reading old posts by your former self.

You make complete sense to me. Thanks for your time and feedback.

I don't know if the restaurant makes its own bread, etc. I doubt it. I'm guessing that this is one of things the chef was referring to when he said he wasn't sure about ingredients, etc. brought in from outside that may contain traces. I can see that I'm going from a 'I'll have a plate full of food' to 'hmmm - maybe a piece of lettuce' at the restaurant next weekend.

I would like to email Sharon (the new adult-onset) to see if she is going through similar turmoil. I would appreciate it if you could ask her if she'd mind....and give her my email address? (earnshaw@sedona.net)

It makes sense that previous reactions would determine your current comfort zone. Did you check to see if the soy burgers that your DS reacted to, had sesame oil? Is he incredibly sensitive to PN? I'll check the canola oil, sunflower oil, sesame oil bottles on my next trip to the supermarket to see if they're labeled 'may contain'.

Cindy thanks for your time. Hope you can resolve your own problems with DH though at least he is careful and takes your DS's PA seriously. That can make up for some other shortcomings (not all). I've been there & done that (divorce) and sympathize with what you are dealing with right now.

(off topic - but I just watched a news report on the 11 year old scout found in Utah. What a fabulous outcome.)

On Jun 22, 2005

Hi Peg....Interesting that your son wouldn't eat the chicken salad. Has he eaten anything else with sesame oil (that you know of) - and if so, has he reacted to it?

The info I got on sesame oil came from a reputable web site. If it is true that sesame oil can contain peanut protein then I wonder why it isn't on the list of things to avoid on FAAN's web site.

On Jun 22, 2005

Adele, I'll have to re-check the label on the Boca Burgers. I still have not had the chance to contact them in America to see about cross-contamination. I don't want to think that it's another allergy with my guy.

Yes, the website you posted is quite reputable. In fact, it's one of the first websites I got information from when the internet became more common in people's homes (not mine right then).

(Personal opinion only - who knows why FAAN does the things they do).

Sharon A. was a member here probably four years ago, maybe five and then stopped posting, but I will get in touch with her and I am fairly sure she is a member of another newer PA website but not clear how much, if any, she posts there, because, well, I'm here all the time.

Oh, you have only uncovered my one other alias. I'm also Alternative to Mainstream. Few posts were also made under the name Nomad Woman.

When Chris was re-doing the board a few months ago, I think Alternative to Mainstream had to go for some reason and he wanted me to go back to my original UserName. My original one is obviously my *real* name - I was new to the internet when I registered here, so I didn't know any better.

So, I short formed that and am re-born again! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

I'm glad my post made some sense to you - I am really unclear what is wrong with me last night and earlier to-day (and perhaps even now), but even I can say that I'm worse than usual as far as babbling.

As far as the marriage thing, not a big deal. Honestly. Not the first time, may be the last we're separated, I'm not sure. But I can't discuss why (except the ever present Mommy issues) here.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 22, 2005

Hi csc, You are alternative to mainstream and nomad woman? I'll be darned!

I googled Boca Burgers (Boca Burgers + ingredients + peanut allergy) and came up with this old (2002) posting on the fda site. I cut and pasted it for 2 reasons - first, it documents a possible PA reaction to Boca Burgers and second; shows that sesame oil is (or was) an ingredient in 2002. I couldn't find a list of current ingredients.

[url="http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/May03/050203/00P-1322_emc-000507.txt"]http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/May03/050203/00P-1322_emc-000507.txt[/url]

Boca Burgers - this e-mail is from (privacy): My son (privacy) has a very bad peanut allergy. We have been working with Mount Sinai with Dr. Lisa Ellman and Dr. Sampson group. (privacy) is a vegetarian who had also a challenge test at the hospital in June and now can eat soy. He purchased a vegi burger from Harvest and it was ok. Then he ate 2 vegi burgers from Boca products (own by Kraft) lot 21561XH on August 12 and had a attack. The ingredient listing does not show any peanut, soy which is ok yes, cottonseed and sesame oil which are ok for him but nothing in the ingredient listing should have been a problem. I had given the sample to Mr. Sinai for analysis and now the Boca company has offered to analyzed to reduce my expense, etc. etc. ***********************

I don't want to pry into your marital problems - was just wishing you the best. It ain't easy!

Cheers, Adele

[This message has been edited by Adele (edited June 22, 2005).]

On Jun 22, 2005

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Originally posted by Adele: [b]Hi Peg....Interesting that your son wouldn't eat the chicken salad. Has he eaten anything else with sesame oil (that you know of) - and if so, has he reacted to it?

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I have no idea why he won't eat it but I have to respect his choices since he is the anaphylactic one right? He's not a fan of strong tastes anyway so that might be it . peg

On Jun 22, 2005

Adele, thank-you. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] In the Boca Burger thread I have running under Manufacturers tcperrine posted that she had understood they were NOT PA safe. I still have to call the darned plant, but it would appear to me that it was a PA reaction. I need to hear it from the company though because otherwise I would feel the need to have Jesse tested for a possible soy allergy (which PA children are at greater risk of developing).

As far as my UserNames, well..... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

My original one (real name) blipped out one day and I had to come up with a new one because I couldn't wait for Chris to fix the old one. There's a thread in Off Topic about how people picked their UserNames.

I really like Alternative to Mainstream, and I can't remember what happened, but Chris did want me to go back to my original (real) name. This was when he was trying to moderate the board and stop people using multiple UserNames to remain anonymous (although it was clear I was not anonymous - LOL!).

So, when he asked that I go back to real name, I didn't want my real name so "out there" and went with csc which is fine.

Nomad Woman, well, that's a joke. It's because the last three or so years I've moved every year and it was a wicked sense of humour.

I didn't think you were trying to pry about my marital situation at all.

My DH was in great denial about Jesse's PA because he didn't witness the first anaphylactic reaction. After Jesse almost died (second anaphylactic reaction), DH finally "got it" and has never questioned me since. To almost lose your child because of a combo of ignorance and denial is not a pleasant thing to live with and when I implemented the comfort zone we have, he had no problems with it whatsoever. I mean, our son almost died that night.

Post under How Did PA Affect Your Day To-day by me to-day about the work DH was doing to-day - unloading bagged peanuts from a truck. He phoned me to tell me how ironic he thought it was that of all the produce in the world he could be off-loading, it ended up being flipping peanuts.

He said that each time he threw a bag from the truck, dust flew everywhere. He went home, threw his t-shirt out, bagged his jeans and socks separate from the rest of his laundry, double bagged them again. Then, he showered and washed his very long hair three times just to make sure that there was no peanut dust or anything peanut-y on him.

What was really cool about all of that is he wasn't even sure if he would be seeing the children to-day (he did end up seeing them this evening out playing). No, he's really "got it" re PA and thank heaven for that.

Now, he doesn't partake in meetings with the school and I did post within the last year or so a question I asked him. I said, Ron, what would you do if I dropped dead tomorrow re PA? He said he'd be fine but to leave him at least one PA.com member's e-mail address so he could contact them to get information re school (he has certainly seen and approved Jesse's written school plan).

He also has a few posts here on the board, but, as with most of us, it's the Mom's doing the research and stuff and not the Dad's (no disrespect to the Dad's on the board like nutternomore and redtruck).

I posted the ingredients of the Boca Burgers. I'm going to go and check that.

But many many thanks. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 22, 2005

Adele - it's right there!

Water, soy protein product (soy protein concentrate, colour, ferrous sulfate, niacinamide, zinc oxide, calcium panthothenate, thiamine mononitrate (B1), pyridoxine hydrochloride (B6) riboglavin (B2), folic acid, cyan0cobalamin (B12), wheat gluten, natural and artificial flavours (contain sesame oil, disodium guanylate, disodium inosinae, succinic acid), soy protein concentrate, methylcellulose, salt, dried onions, yeast extract, maltodextrain, defatted wheat germ, partially hydrogenated cottonseed and soybean oil, corn syrup solids (M081B)

Sesame oil!

Okay, so I know Jess has eaten other things with sesame seed oil in them like the burgers, say maybe chicken nuggets or something pre-packaged at the grocer.

So it is the darned sesame seed oil or were these Boca Burgers not PA safe to begin with?

Now I need the sesame seed oil answer as well as you do! And how many things have sesame seed oil in them?

Telling you, Adele, 8 years into the journey, and still always learning.

(btw, do you have any particular favourite Australian actors?)

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

[This message has been edited by csc (edited June 22, 2005).]

On Jun 23, 2005

Hi Adele,

I usually buy canola oil or olive oil for use at home. I also eat sunflower oil and sesame oil in restaurants.

I eat at many Japanese restaurants in Toronto and most use sesame oil. The only oil I avoid is peanut.

Since I am not allergic to pine nuts, I do eat at restaurants such as Il Fornello that use pine nuts on the premises. I don't eat the pasta that contains the pine nuts in case the pine nuts are 'may contain', but I do eat the other pizzas and pastas.

[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 23, 2005

erik, as always, I'm sorry, I have a couple of questions for you.

Have you ever had an anaphylactic reaction? May I ask how many reactions you have had period?

Did you read the information Adele posted re sesame oil? When you read it did you become any more concerned about sesame oil OR, because you're Canadian (as I am), do you feel if there was anything wrong with the sesame oil, we would know about it?

Reason for all the questions (you know I always have a method to my madness even if it's not clear) - I'm wondering, if based on Adele's information re sesame oil if the sesame oil in the Boca Burgers (American) didn't trigger a PA reaction in Jesse both times. And based on his reaction history (i.e., three anaphylactic reactions).

However, it's still on my "to do" list to call Boca Burgers in America to try to get a more definitive answer.

With the kids' school week ending next Wednesday and things getting kinda frantic, I'm getting kinda frantic myself. And frantic for me isn't a *good* thing - I usually end up migrained out like I am now.

Anyway, erik, thank-you. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 23, 2005

Oh, and erik, sorry. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/redface.gif[/img]

When you eat at the Italian restaurant (is it Il Fornello - I just read somewhere that they're extremely allergy aware - oh, Allergic Living magazine I believe, but would have to check), do you know if they make their pasta on the premises and their bread on the premises or, are you potentially taking a risk with a "may contain" product (darnit, that doesn't sound right, sorry). I mean, do they bring their pasta and bread in and are you okay with that?

I had a friend who worked as a chef at Il Fornello at Yonge and Eglinton 20 years, but things would have well changed since then.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 23, 2005

Erik, thanks for your info. I'm working on a comfort zone similar to yours - so I appreciate your feedback. I'm also interested to hear your answer to csc's question on anaphylaxis. Is your comfort zone relaxed because you've not reacted to trace amounts or 'may contains'?

csc - I believe (I could be wrong) that the web site where I found the info on sesame oil was Canadian.

I'm going to enjoy an Italian buffet on Saturday night and not worry about it. I was told the restaurant was PN free and I either relax a little - if I want to enjoy a comfort zone like Erik's - or I stay at home and eat apples and yogurt. And frankly Scarlett - I'm getting tired of apples & yogurt.

I had a great quote stuck on my frig for a long time (that was replaced with other things once I became a Grandma) that said something about 'fear can prevent you from having a life'.

My disclaimer: This quote applies to middle-aged women like me...not to mothers of little kids with PA.

On Jun 24, 2005

Adele, yes, the website where you got the information is Canadian - Quebec based, in fact, and extremely well respected IMPHO. Again, one of the first places I got PA related information. It's website address was published in a parenting magazine on an article re PA before I had the internet and I remember going to my friend's home to print off information from the website.

Adele, sorry, have to ask you the same question, and please forgive me for not knowing - have you had an anaphylactic reaction due to PA?

As I believe I said, if I knew the pasta and bread were made on the premises, or even brought in from a place that was "peanut free", I would allow my guy to eat there as well.

I did contact the member I mentioned last night for you via e-mail and am awaiting an answer from her. I haven't been in touch for quite some time and I'm not clear how often she checks her e-mail but I'm hoping to hear from her soon.

As far as developing a comfort zone similar to erik's, I can well understand why you would want to. I mean, erik is not identified in any way, except for being a PA.com member, by his PA (as far as I know - not that I know him in *real* life, but simply from here). But he lives an extremely well rounded, well travelled, *normal* life, travels about on public transit (not all of the time I don't think), enjoys eating out, etc.

For me, the sesame oil question again, will not be resolved 'til I call Boca Burgers. And the way I feel right now (still very badly migrained out), I will not be calling tomorrow. I'll be lucky to get the kids off to school tomorrow without too much of a hitch.

Anyway.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 24, 2005

Thanks csc. I mentioned that the website with the info on sesame oil/peanut protein was Canadian - because Canada is so careful with labeling. So if Canadian sesame oil does has PN protein in it, won't it show on your labeling? I can bet this has something to do with your DS reaction to Boca Burgers. I'm not much of a red meat eater, but it seems that a real hamburger would be safer. Just one ingredient! (that is, unless you have a beef allergy).

It's not just Erik's comfort zone I'm working towards - it's his attitude. I guess that just comes from living with PA for a long time.

Yes, according to the allergist the reaction I had in January was anaphylactic. Does this make a difference? If you've had ana, does this mean you're more sensitive to PN protein?

I don't know if the bread or pasta is made at the restaurant. I"ll ask when I'm there. The chef made it clear that he wasn't guaranteeing that anything 'brought in from outside' was PN free.

I hope you feel better. Don't know how you cope being a single-mom with migraines. Cheers - and thanks for your feedback. Adele

On Jun 25, 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by Adele: [b]Thanks csc. I mentioned that the website with the info on sesame oil/peanut protein was Canadian - because Canada is so careful with labeling. So if Canadian sesame oil does has PN protein in it, won't it show on your labeling? I can bet this has something to do with your DS reaction to Boca Burgers. I'm not much of a red meat eater, but it seems that a real hamburger would be safer. Just one ingredient! (that is, unless you have a beef allergy).

Adele, I'm not clear about this now. We need some more Canadian input in here. I'll check at the grocery I shop at and see if they even have sesame oil and what it says on it (if aged brain can remember by the time she goes to the grocery). I'm not even clear why I bought the Boca Burgers - just for something new to try - I love just good ole regular hamburgers. The thing that bugs me is that Jesse (picky eater) really liked them.

It's not just Erik's comfort zone I'm working towards - it's his attitude. I guess that just comes from living with PA for a long time.

Yes, erik's attitude is great! I do think it comes from being PA all of his life and growing up in a time when there weren't peanut free classrooms, schools, or even Epi-pens available.

Yes, according to the allergist the reaction I had in January was anaphylactic. Does this make a difference? If you've had ana, does this mean you're more sensitive to PN protein?

Excellent question - I'd like to see that one raised separately - does having an anaphylactic reaction mean you're more sensitive to peanut protein?

If I look at my son's reactions, in particular, I would say yes, but that's only for my guy. He has reacted to very little coming into contact with him. But again, a great question that I feel *should* be raised separately.

I don't know if the bread or pasta is made at the restaurant. I"ll ask when I'm there. The chef made it clear that he wasn't guaranteeing that anything 'brought in from outside' was PN free.

I hope you feel better. Don't know how you cope being a single-mom with migraines. Cheers - and thanks for your feedback. Adele

Oh, as far as the migraines and being a single Mom, I actually cope with them better than I do when I have their Father here - he's basically useless, might open a can of food to feed the kids, but doesn't understand, even after 11 years, what I'm really going through, so he's a bit of a PITA to have around when I have a migraine. The kids, because they've grown up with a Mom who has them are actually really quite cool about it. And I don't have to deal with a big person telling me to "buck up" when I want to lie in my bed. My migraines are one of the reasons why I didn't have children a lot younger and with my first DH. However..... [/b]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 26, 2005

Adele, well, aged brain did remember when she went shopping to-day. No sesame oil in our grocer at all, even in the very small section for Oriental foods. I'll check the next time I go to the more "high end" Sobey's.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 26, 2005

csc, this old brain also remembered to check yesterday at the grocery store. I found one brand of sesame oil. Ingredients were: sesame oil. No cross contamination warnings....which doesn't tell us a thing!

On Jun 26, 2005

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Originally posted by csc: [b]Have you ever had an anaphylactic reaction? May I ask how many reactions you have had period?

Did you read the information Adele posted re sesame oil? When you read it did you become any more concerned about sesame oil OR, because you're Canadian (as I am), do you feel if there was anything wrong with the sesame oil, we would know about it? [/b]

I have had about 5 reactions 1. peanut butter sandwich when 2.5 yrs old 2. chocolate bar (cross contaminated) 3. Danish pastry (cross contaminated) 4. birthday cake (marzipan cross contaminated) 5. cookie (cross contaminated)

The majority of reactions were when I was between about 9 years old and 15 years old. I think I reacted to a cookie when I was about 8 yrs old, but I keep forgetting about that reaction as it was very minor (itchy mouth).

My worst reaction was the marzipan on the cake.. only took one bite and immediate itching on roof of mouth, had massive hives all over me that night and threw up a few times that night too.

(actually, maybe my reaction as a 2.5 yr odl was worst as my parents said my face swelled up but I was too young to remmeber anything)

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I am not at all concerned about consuming sesame oil. Just my personal opinion. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 26, 2005

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Originally posted by csc: [b]When you eat at the Italian restaurant (is it Il Fornello - I just read somewhere that they're extremely allergy aware - oh, Allergic Living magazine I believe, but would have to check), do you know if they make their pasta on the premises and their bread on the premises or, are you potentially taking a risk with a "may contain" product (darnit, that doesn't sound right, sorry). I mean, do they bring their pasta and bread in and are you okay with that?[/b]

I do not worry about pasta and bread. I think Il Fornello makes their pasta on site, but I am not certain. I do not eat most baked goods (ie: dessert items) due to the risk of cross contamination, but I am not concerned about pasta and bread. I have never had a reaction in over 30 years so I think pasta and bread are fine for me.

I think I have a greater chance of being killed in a car accident than I do of reacting to bread in a restaurant.

Nothing in life is 100% safe. If you want 100% safe you'd have to hide in your home 24 hours a day, and even then perhaps you would die of carbion monoxide pissoning if the furnace malfunctioned.

So I am very careful to avoid things that I consider to be risky (baked goods such as cake, pie, cookies) but I don't worry about bread or dry pasta as I have never seen a bread or pasta which contained peanuts. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

(but I do always ask about the pasta dish/sauce if it contains peanuts/peanut oil)

I also avoid pesto as there is a chance the pine nuts could be cross contaminated, but I still eat in restaurants that serve pesto dishes.. I just avoid those dishes. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 26, 2005

Erik, Thanks for the information. I should start a thread titled 'Questions for Erik'. I have enough for a 12 page thread.

I regard you as an expert on living with adult PA. Not to exclude Annamarie - but I think she's much more PA sensitive than me....plus she has multiple FA.

I find it interesting that you don't worry about bread (Oroweat told me not to eat their bread) and yet you do worry about cross-contamination with pine nuts....which I wouldn't have worried about. Also reassuring to know that you will eat in a restaurant that serves pesto.

Do you eat fish and chips in a restaurant if you're told they don't contain PN flour or oil? How about a restaurant sandwich....bread, mayo, turkey, cheese, etc. or something along these lines?

Would you eat the raisins, etc. out of trail mix that had peanuts in it (not eating the PN's) ? If you did - would you react? I know I would - just trying to figure out if we have similiar levels of PA.

Sorry for all the questions, Erik. Hope it's not an imposition. Cheers Adele

On Jun 26, 2005

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Originally posted by Adele: [b]Do you eat fish and chips in a restaurant if you're told they don't contain PN flour or oil? How about a restaurant sandwich....bread, mayo, turkey, cheese, etc. or something along these lines? [/b]

I do eat fush and chips if they don't use peanut oil/flour. I don't eat sandwiches if they also serve peanut butter sandwiches as it is too risky. The knife/cutting board could contain traces of peanut butter so I don't eat sandwiches if they also serve peanut butter sandwiches.

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Originally posted by Adele: [b]Would you eat the raisins, etc. out of trail mix that had peanuts in it (not eating the PN's) ? If you did - would you react? I know I would - just trying to figure out if we have similiar levels of PA. [/b]

I would not eat the raisins out of a trail mix woith peanuts. I would react as it only takes a trace of peanut for me to react. Anythign that has touched peanuts is off limits for me.

[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

(ps. the reason I worry about pine nuts is that every package of pine nuts I have seen in the grocery store says 'may contain peanuts'.. but I am not allergic to pine nuts)

On Jun 26, 2005

Thanks Erik! Just a few more questions....honest!

It didn't occur to me to think about a restaurant sandwich being cross-contaminated if the restaurant also makes PBJ sandwiches. Do you question the restaurant about the mayo?

Good point on the pine nuts.

My eating-out-comfort zone just got bigger. Thanks so much! Cheers, Adele

On Jun 26, 2005

erik, so, have you ever had an anaphylactic reaction (that you would consider) and needed an Epi-pen (or Ana-Kit in the old days)?

Would you eat at breakfast at a greasy spoon type restaurant where they serve toast, but the pb is in small containers (pre-packaged)?

Sorry - you just keep getting them, don't you? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/redface.gif[/img]

Aside from obvious places like Thai or places where they would make a pb sandwich or say pb on a bagel, you don't really avoid that many places?

We don't eat out a lot and since my kids are fairly young still, their food choices are pretty basic when we do go into a restaurant.

We do go into greasy spoons for breakfast and have since time began. If the waitress places the basket with pb (pre-packaged) on our table, we always have it removed, but no big deal.

My kids were stuck, for the longest time, on McDonald's so that was *the* place to go if we were eating out, which was okay with me.

Jesse has tried a falafel in two falafel shops now that I really trust (tree nuts only in the desserts) (he doesn't really care for falafels, but, my soul, what cool kids to even try one [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img] ).

As far as fish and chips, we returned to my fish and chip restaurant from childhood sometime within the last year and after checking that everything was PA safe, we ate there.

We haven't done Italian or anything else yet, but I'm getting the feeling that I would be pretty much the same as you are about it. Would avoid the pesto but wouldn't worry about the pasta or the bread.

(I think I've asked you all the questions I've thought of tonight - and you are very gracious to answer them so kindly and thoroughly [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] ).

Oh, but do have to ask, what do you think about this whole sesame seed oil question? Do you think that we would be labeling for cross contamination on sesame seed oil in the stores? And is sesame oil something that you would feel comfortable purchasing for your own home?

Do you know if you eat any pre-packaged foods at home that have sesame seed oil in them? And do you consider yourself to be, despite what *may* be a lack of anaphylactic reactions, to be extremely sensitive to peanuts?

Sorry, thought of another one. Do you purchase goods that are imported from America and not re-labeled (my *issue* with the Boca Burgers)?

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 27, 2005

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Originally posted by csc: [b]erik, so, have you ever had an anaphylactic reaction (that you would consider) and needed an Epi-pen (or Ana-Kit in the old days)?[/b]

Hi Cindy...

Epi-pens,ana-kits did not exist when I was a child/teenager (I am old [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] ) so when I had reactions there was nothing to do but take an anti-histimine and not move around much. Fortunately, even though I had nausea, hives, etc, I never had a life threatening reaction with my throat swelling shut, etc.

Since my reactions were all due to a tiny trace of peanut protien (cross conytamination), maybe that is why I did not have a life threatening reaction.

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Originally posted by csc: [b]Would you eat at breakfast at a greasy spoon type restaurant where they serve toast, but the pb is in small containers (pre-packaged)?[/b]

Yes.. as long as the peanut butter is in the small single serve packages, I am okay with it. I just don't want the staff using their knives, cutting boards, etc with peanut butter as I consider it too risky (ie: could use same knife to cut toast as they do to cut peanut butter sandwich)

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Originally posted by csc: [b]Aside from obvious places like Thai or places where they would make a pb sandwich or say pb on a bagel, you don't really avoid that many places?[/b]

True [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Mainly Thai and Vietnamese that I stay away from... or places filled with peanuts (ie: some bar type restaurants)

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Originally posted by csc: [b]As far as fish and chips, we returned to my fish and chip restaurant from childhood sometime within the last year and after checking that everything was PA safe, we ate there.[/b]

I eat fish and chips too. In Canada I think it is fine as I have never found an unsafe fish and chip place. I would be more cafeful in the UK and the USA as I have heard that sometime people will deep fry Snickers bars in the oil.

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Originally posted by csc: [b]We haven't done Italian or anything else yet, but I'm getting the feeling that I would be pretty much the same as you are about it. Would avoid the pesto but wouldn't worry about the pasta or the bread.[/b]

I find Italian is one of the safest foods. It is not common to find peanuts used in Italian cuisine so I eat at many Italian restaurants.

Occasionally, a restaurant may make a "satay" pizza (with peanut sauce topping) so be careful of that, although liek I said, this is very uncommon.. only saw it a couple of places.

Since I am not TNA, I don't worry about pine nuts being in a restaurant (pesto) although I don't order the pesto for myself.

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Originally posted by csc: [b]Oh, but do have to ask, what do you think about this whole sesame seed oil question? Do you think that we would be labeling for cross contamination on sesame seed oil in the stores? And is sesame oil something that you would feel comfortable purchasing for your own home?

Do you know if you eat any pre-packaged foods at home that have sesame seed oil in them? And do you consider yourself to be, despite what *may* be a lack of anaphylactic reactions, to be extremely sensitive to peanuts?[/b]

I don't worry about sesame seed oil. I eat frequently at Japanese restaurants so I eat sesame oil all the time. We do occasionally use it at home .. I think the brand we have is Kikkoman (same brand as our soy sauce).

I think I am extremely sensitive to peanuts as the times that I entered East Side Marios and Montanas, I had sneezing, runny nose, and a hoarse voice within about 20 minutes (I was in the restaurant area, not the bar area where the peanuts were).. the peanut dust spread through the restaurant.

I am sure there are people who are more reactive than me... someone can sit next to me in a movie theatre and eat a Snickers bar, etc and I have no reaction. It was only after 20 minutes or so in the restaurants that I had airborne reactions.

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Originally posted by csc: [b]Sorry, thought of another one. Do you purchase goods that are imported from America and not re-labeled (my *issue* with the Boca Burgers)?[/b]

I think most of the items I buy are manufactured in Canada. However, I do know that I do eat some American products as well. For example, my Kelloggs Vector cereal says 'made in USA' on the label. If it is a national brand and there is no warning label, I usually buy it, although based on reading comments from people at PA.COM, I did avoid Pillsbury USA, and Haagen Das, as people had made negative comments here at PA.COM

[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 27, 2005

erik, you're a sweetheart, thank-you. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Can I say, that aside from probably a LOT of PA parents needing to meet you, that you would be an excellent "role model" (if you will) for our PA children? I would love for my guy to be able to meet you (he is pretty cool about his allergy, I think [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img] , but still).

It is incredibly gracious of you to answer questions as we try to sort something out amongst ourselves here, and what I consider to be extremely personal questions sometimes. I appreciate that.

And you're only "old" now 'cus you're married! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

But no, thank-you so much for being so gracious and an extension of that - caring. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 27, 2005

Btw, who the heck would want to deep fry a Snickers bar? Why? And who would want to eat such a thing?

(Am searching aged brain and do believe I can say that I have never tried a Snickers bar in my life).

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 27, 2005

* * * sigh * * * oh I do miss snickers.....

Chocolate poured over crunchy peanuts and caramel. hmmmm - it was sounding ok until I got to the crunchy peanut part. Doesn't sound quite as appetizing as it used to!

On Jul 3, 2005

I hate to say it but Snickers are really quite good. I haven't had one in ages since my kids are allergic and our home is completely nut free. Probably the last time was after Halloween a few years ago when people bring their extra candy into work. I haven't tried that Snicker's Almond bar but that sounds good too. Oh well. Sigh...

On the bright side, I'm better off without the calories!

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