Peanut Free vs Peanut Safe (classroom)?

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In a attempt to work with the school system we are working on a plan for the classroom.

Pros and cons of this Free vs Safe?

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On Aug 29, 2005

I kind of need definitions.

Free = peanut ban?

Safe = no ban, but other precautions? (such as, peanut free table, hand washing, etc. maybe specify what precautions the school wants to take)

On Aug 29, 2005

Either way, it needs to be very specifically defined, and still peanut safe!

I have 3 years experience with a peanut free school. They went nut free, actually not just PN free, the year we entered. The trouble was truly that the staff felt very secure in feeding the kids since thee was a nut free policy. I had a hard time having them grasp the manufacturing issues. I kept hearing, well, none of the snacks have nuts, etc.... And we have egg allergies too. They were so focused on the nut allergies, but dd was still around eggs, and another child had a severe milk allergy(contact sensetive). I truly believe in clean up procedures. Clean, clean, clean. Little hands, tables, toys, supplies. Or be sure to clean all those hands before they ever enter the classroom, to keep it easier inside the classroom. I am a big handwashing proponent, anyway!

I would still insist on feeding your own child, but our school was very sensetive about this. They wanted to provide all safe snacks. Yet, they always pushed me for something new and different after I would give lists. It was very stressful.

Personally, I am glad to be going to an elementary school that has much more general food allergy safety awareness, even though they are *not* nut free. Her teacher sounds so careful. Gave me a list of all the things I would have asked her to do anyway, but she was suggesting these were things I should do! I will provide all food for dd to eat. Period. If I am present(a party, for example) I can choose to examine and allow something else). In the absence of parents, she only eats food I have provided. The teacher had some suggestions for cleanliness as well. Providing wipes in snack bag, having her eat directly from her snack sak or lunch box, or using a tray. A note will go home asking parents to avoid sending nuts in, but no true ban.

I guees reduce the risk is how I would label it.

However, my dd has never had airborne reactions, and no contact reactions in years.

I would want a ban for an airborn or contact sensetive child. becca

[This message has been edited by becca (edited August 29, 2005).]

On Aug 29, 2005

synthia, I'm like Anna Marie and need more clarification (and also need more tea).

I know that we have always requested a "peanut free" classroom for my son.

I know that his school considers itself to be "reduce the risk".

Now, what my ideas of "peanut free" are and what the schools have been, have, at times, been totally different.

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On Aug 29, 2005

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On Aug 29, 2005

synthia, what do YOU want for your child? Would you feel comfortable with another child, on a special occasion eating a peanut product in the classroom or would you prefer that the other students are asked NOT to bring in peanut products? And, in so asking, what does NO peanut products mean to you (i.e., does it include no "may contains", "made ins").

Do you want to ask for no homemade food in the classroom?

Really, what is it that you feel you want to feel that your child is relatively safe in her classroom?

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On Aug 29, 2005

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searching csc as soon as I have a answer to your ? will answer it DYKWIM?

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On Aug 29, 2005

synthia, I'm getting the sense I need more caffeine to-day because you're confusing the heck out of me!

Okay, did the letter posted in the thread you linked to above, go out to your child's classmates' parents?

When reading that letter, do YOU feel that it also means no "may contains", "made ins"?

I am sure that it must be somewhere here, but our school board districts have had generic letters that went out re PA in the classroom.

I also used personalized ones that vic (another PA.com member) had written up for her child, when the school allowed me to.

I do know that for me, for the first three years of my son being in school, a "peanut free" classroom meant no "may contains" or "made ins". I cannot, for the life of me, at this moment, remember how that was communicated *properly* to the other parents.

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On Aug 29, 2005

I have not specified with my school about may contains or made in, except in the cafeteria. I do not see those items as a threat in the classroom. The problem I would have is if those items came in and my then my son would be excluded. I do not like that one at all. I have brought this concern up and decided to see how the year went and go revisit the issue at our follow up meeting in May. Our school was very into calling everything peanut safe because they felt they could not be absolute with the peanut free, too many variables. I was sensitive to that but its really not that hard, read the label. They used the latest nabisco recall(choco covered oreos)to show how things can happen outside their control. I am happy with peanut safe but school has only been in for less than a month. Ask me again in May and hopefully it will be the same because I am tired of fighting.

On Aug 29, 2005

Our school is peanut safe. There are no nuts of any kind or pb allowed in the school. We have posters on the doors as you enter the school, ALL the classrooms have posters on their doors, along with the doors into the lunchroom.

All ingredients are checked (as much as can be) by lunch monitors.

The only reason it is called SAFE instead of FREE is the legalities.

I know there will be errors made, I know kids will be sneaking in things they shouldn't, but I can't sue them because it was supposed to be NUT FREE.

THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES and the school doesn't want anybody to believe there are.

MY only concern is my dd and what she EATS or DOESN'T EAT.

I don't care what you call it, NO NUTS is a good thing!

On Aug 29, 2005

qdebbie1, up until last year (my son's sixth year of school), he always ate in the classroom. There was no cafeteria or lunchroom setting until last year so that's why his classrooms, where they were all eating, were always "peanut free". Actually, even though he eats at the "peanut free" BENCH now, his classmates are still supposed to be bringing in "peanut free" lunches/snacks and the classroom is *supposed* to be that.

Sorry, to whoever posted just above me (I did need more caffeine to-day and didn't get it), you're absolutely correct. Our school will say that they are "reduce the risk". They will say that they are "peanut safe". But they will NEVER say they are "peanut free".

I have noticed within the last couple of years that school administrators (different schools, different school board districts) have become more aware of the wording.

When my son was first in school no one flinched (well they did) at having a "peanut free" classroom but now, to me, just from my own experience, it seems to have become very politically correct wording regarding the whole thing.

So, if you can't use the wording "peanut free" for whatever reason(s), what does "peanut safe" mean to YOU?

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On Aug 29, 2005

Still dealing with that BENCH?

On Aug 29, 2005

qdebbie1, yes, something I have to follow-up on this week. The BENCH.

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