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Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 3:00pm
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Quote:Originally posted by synthia:
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Or unless we the parents scream loud enough or fight long enough.
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Gail,
Did you "scream"?
Did you "fight"?
Did you [i]need[/i] to?
I have a difficult time imagining you doing either (also difficult, as I don't know what you look like, but suspect you dress tastefully.........Jones New York? Liz? Anne Klein? D.K.N.Y?) but, hey, I could be wrong.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 3:19pm
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Eric,
again asking:
Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]
Hypothetically speaking, if we were going to institute "Free" labels in any form, would a "Food Free Classroom" be more effective, reduce more risk, and theoretically easier to monitor than "Peanut Free Classroom"? (Considering your interpretation of "Free", as you indicate in the last two sentences, lol, not meaning a "an absolute guarantee")?
As long as we're travelling the high road here, and not just asking for "lip service".
I have an ethical caveat against asking of persons things I *personally* deem ineffective to the ultimate end of those requests. Even if it does make *me* feel validated.
Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. My words not intended as such in any manner or form. Merely seeking clarification of ideas put forth in discussion.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 3:39pm
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]If, indeed everyone is privy to the undertone of "Peanut Free" in Canada, as you so state, then how could the term "Peanut Free" possibly "send a stronger message"? If, indeed, everyone has the "insider perspective"?[/b]
Because Canadians are not privy to the undertones of "reduce the risk" regarding PA. The more common term here is peanut-free. That is the term we use north of the 49th parallel.
Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]Eric,
again asking:
[/b]
Food free classrooms is a good idea. But in Ontario Canada many schools do not have cafeterias so students must eat in the classrooms.
And even if it was food free, students could sneak in food....
I think Cayley's Mom's daughter is in a peanut-free school.. hope she comes back again .. maybe she can describe it for us .. I seem to remember her writing that her peanut free school was successful. I'll look for her old posting. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
But yes.. food free would be good for the classroom... kids eat too much junk these days anyway (spoken by a chocolate addict who dips my Kit Kat fingers in merlot! haha)
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Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 3:44pm
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] Maybe it's just me? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
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Maybe not.
Maybe it's just me? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
(It's late at night.. need sleep..)
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Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 3:56pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
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I don't think they would be liable b/c they have took action and made a reasonable attempt to provide safety...the same goes for the alcohol incident, the school can't be held liable had they not seen it. Because they made reasonable efforts to keep it out as best as they could.
Maybe I should re-phrase my words from can't to shouldn't, I'm not a lawyer these are my viewpoints entirely.
We could use any liability issue/cases as examples...last year when a grocery cart rolled and dinged my car, I wanted them to pay to have it fixed, we talked to someone who is a lawyer and b/c the grocery store has cart holders, they are not liable, had the store not had the cart holders or an employee was in control of the cart they would have been liable. But they can't be responsible for other peoples negligence even though its on their own property.[/b]
Ah. A fundamental difference in [i]experience[/i]?
In my profession, It is my understanding that I may be held accountable for things I do not see, and am not aware of when they occur. Especially if there is Policy Procedure, Protocol, and Standards of Care that indicate what I should be aware of, when I should be aware of it, and a need to be aware of. Or at least approved methodologies for preventing such occurrances.
[b]To the best of my knowledge, the system does not knowingly attempt to "build in" breaches in the wall.[/b]
It has been my experience and has been incorporated into training that I have received, that if I follow such Policy, Procedure, Protocol, and Standards of Care all should go well.
In the event that such does not, despite accurately following Policy, Procedure, Protocol, and Standards of Care, theory indicates that I should be free from liability providing I have an approved methods of verifying such Policy, Procedure, Protocol, and Standards of Care were respected. (Documentation comes first to mind.)
In the event that such does not (go well), especially if there seems to be a pattern, and despite following Policy, Procedure, Protocol, and Standards of Care................
There are methods in place by which re-evaluation of such Policy, Procedure, Protocol, and Standards of Care may be improved and revised to more adequately address specific and general situations.
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Disclaimer: This post not intended as advice in any manner or form. It is merely an attempt to relay *personal* thoughts specific to my own *personal* experience and situation.

Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 4:09pm
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Eric,:
[url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum8/HTML/000481.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum8/HTML/000481.html[/url]
A "Food Free" section?
As long as "High Road" is the preferred method of travel?
lololol

Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 10:45pm
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
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In my profession, It is my understanding that I may be held accountable for things I do not see, and am not aware of when they occur. Especially if there is Policy Procedure, Protocol, and Standards of Care that indicate what I should be aware of, when I should be aware of it, and a need to be aware of. Or at least approved methodologies for preventing such occurrances.
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Hmmmmmm........ do you think the same could be said for a school that has a FULL-TIME LICENSED NURSE???? ???? ?????
(Sorry. Just got up...Haven't had my coffee yet... Need to take my anti-paranoia pill so that I don't worry about getting re-directed to one of the threads on school nurses... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] I guess I should say LITTERALLY speaking, all these concepts play into one another... it is impossible for me to speak to any one alone.)
JMHO.

Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 11:34pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b]But this is why I brought this up, I don't expect the school to guarentee the room is 100% PF, no more than I expect it to be drug and weapon free...What I do expect with a PF status, is the same expectation I do with Guns and Drugs...to enforce the rule and handle it immediately.[/b]
Worth repeating.
[b]Sounds logical to me.[/b]
This is the way a peanut-free classroom is in Ontario, Canada. This is how we think. And we have a LOT of peanut-free classroooms in Ontario.. it is very common.

Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 11:54pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] Hmmmmmm........ do you think the same could be said for a school that has a FULL-TIME LICENSED NURSE???? ???? ?????
[/b]
If not a "Full Time School Nurse", then who?
Exactly what "Standard of Care" do parents expect, require, or feel their children worthy of when in an "formal", "institutional" setting such as a "school"?
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Posted on: Tue, 05/06/2003 - 11:56pm
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] If not a "Full Time School Nurse", then who?
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We have no school nurses in Ontario (not even a long time ago in a galaxy far away when I was a student).
If there is a student injury, I assume the procedure is to notify the school principal and to call 9-1-1.

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