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Posted on: Wed, 05/07/2003 - 1:18pm
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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
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Hey Momma Bear..
I just noticed that I (1439) have more posts than you (1428)... haha
Ok.. back to our regularly scheduled postings..... sorry for the interruption [/b]
Maybe it's me,
Maybe it's the Merlot,
Maybe it's the talk of the Merlot,
Maybe you better get ready to be [i]dethroned[/i]. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
1430 and counting (WWF Style). LOL. (or not)

Posted on: Wed, 05/07/2003 - 1:33pm
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Someone, Somewhere mentioned "latex free hospitals" on the boards. I *personally* have never worked in one. Do they exist?
Maybe it was "edited" out as I cannot find the original post. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
Disclaimer: This post not intended as advice in any manner or form.

Posted on: Wed, 05/07/2003 - 1:39pm
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]Someone, Somewhere mentioned "latex free hospitals" on the boards. I *personally* have never worked in one. Do they exist?
[/b]
"Latex-free hospitals" was probably edited out and replaced by "reduce the risk hospitals" [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]

Posted on: Wed, 05/07/2003 - 2:44pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]
Yes they use the terms drug-free and gun-free (thank you river, BTW, for finding them).
But did you actually read them? They all use the words "unlawful pocession" and "illicit" and state that they are upholding [b]LAWS [/b].
If you substitute the word "peanut" for the word "firearm" or "drug" (as you suggest), [b]it doesn't work [/b]. These are not comparable.[/b]
I'm being pushy here, I know. I'm wondering if anyone has gone back to river's threads and substituted the word "peanut" for "gun" or "drugs"? Lana, MommaBear, river, joey, AnnaMarie, Cindy, erik, or anyone ?? Would someone do this with me? Please?
I just want to make sure I'm not missing something here. honestly....

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:18am
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] I'm being pushy here, I know. [/b]
[i]"Persistent"[/i]? As I do not feel you are being "Pushy".
[i]Not a bad quality in my honest opinion.[/i]
or by definition.
[i]"Fortitude"[/i] comes to mind as well.
[i]By opinion and definition.[/i]
You are a blessed woman. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:23am
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] I'm wondering if anyone has gone back to river's threads and substituted the word "peanut" for "gun" or "drugs"? Lana, MommaBear, river, joey, AnnaMarie, Cindy, erik, or anyone ?? Would someone do this with me? Please?
[/b]
Wondering to myself: "Is it humanly possible to hum any louder than I already am."
Maybe if we all hum together.
MommaBear [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:24am
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAALEL-LU-JAH!
HAAAAAAAAAAALEL-LU-JAH!
HA-LEL-LU-JAH!
HA-LEL-LU-JAH!
HA-LEEEEEEE-EEEEEEEL-LUUUUUUUUUUU-JAH!
[url="http://members.aol.com/nonstopny/easter/messiah.htm#hear%20it%20live"]http://members.aol.com/nonstopny/easter/messiah.htm#hear%20it%20live[/url]

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:29am
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Other uses of blank-free not involving illicit products:
Gum-free
[url="http://www.maps.k12.wi.us/students/schools/middleschool/agenda.htm"]http://www.maps.k12.wi.us/students/schools/middleschool/agenda.htm[/url]
Candy and Gum free Zone
[url="http://www.asd.k12.ak.us/schools/Central/teams/physical_education/New_Student_Packet.html"]http://www.asd.k12.ak.us/schools/Central/teams/physical_education/New_Student_Packet.html[/url]
Gum free zone
[url="http://www.stjohnsorchestra.org/handbook.html"]http://www.stjohnsorchestra.org/handbook.html[/url]
Gum-Free/Smoke-Free building
[url="http://www.stwenceslaus.org/catechetics/parents.cfm"]http://www.stwenceslaus.org/catechetics/parents.cfm[/url]
school environment chewing gum free
[url="http://www.bgs.bucks.sch.uk/briefing/30-04-01.html"]http://www.bgs.bucks.sch.uk/briefing/30-04-01.html[/url]
a "gum free" school.
[url="http://www.cksd.wednet.edu/si/Parent%20Handbook/parent_handbook.htm"]http://www.cksd.wednet.edu/si/Parent%20Handbook/parent_handbook.htm[/url]
Sorry "girls", I'm not that easily bullied.

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:40am
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Quote:Originally posted by river:
[b]Other uses of blank-free not involving illicit products:
Gum-free
[url="http://www.maps.k12.wi.us/students/schools/middleschool/agenda.htm"]http://www.maps.k12.wi.us/students/schools/middleschool/agenda.htm[/url]
Candy and Gum free Zone
[url="http://www.asd.k12.ak.us/schools/Central/teams/physical_education/New_Student_Packet.html"]http://www.asd.k12.ak.us/schools/Central/teams/physical_education/New_Student_Packet. html[/url]
Gum free zone
[url="http://www.stjohnsorchestra.org/handbook.html"]http://www.stjohnsorchestra.org/handbook.html[/url]
Gum-Free/Smoke-Free building
[url="http://www.stwenceslaus.org/catechetics/parents.cfm"]http://www.stwenceslaus.org/catechetics/parents.cfm[/url]
school environment chewing gum free
[url="http://www.bgs.bucks.sch.uk/briefing/30-04-01.html"]http://www.bgs.bucks.sch.uk/briefing/30-04-01.html[/url]
a "gum free" school.
[url="http://www.cksd.wednet.edu/si/Parent%20Handbook/parent_handbook.htm"]http://www.cksd.wednet.edu/si/Parent%20Handbook/parent_handbook.htm[/url]
Sorry "girls", I'm not that easily bullied. [/b]
Wondering if there is an "Ordinance" (fire-code, perhaps) associated with "Smoke-Free"?
Wondering how much liability could possibly be associated with "gum" and "candy" if there is no indication their restriction is associated with a "life threatening food allergy"?
MommaBear [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]
Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. Merely pondering outloud, while humming to myself.

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:42am
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I wonder how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
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Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:44am
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Gail,
I still hold my opinion that laws of guns and drugs that are federal and state are just that, it's still enforced by the buiding it's placed on. And the status of a peanut free area would still be considered a "law" of the principal/district and would be enforced by them.
Although guns/drugs are illegal (or possession thereof) by state and federal guidelines...in a school that the principal has implemented a PF area, the peanuts are "illegal" in a peanut free area due to school and/or district guidelines.
River...great rebuttal.
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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b]
I wonder how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img][/b]
While humming? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:50am
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Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b]Gail,
I still hold my opinion that laws of guns and drugs that are federal and state are just that, it's still enforced by the buiding it's placed on. And the status of a peanut free area would still be considered a "law" of the principal/district and would be enforced by them.
[/b]
How to "enforce" this?

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:50am
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Lana, this was your last post:
Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b]IMHO, the "nut inspectors" would be the administration and it's employees of the building/class that the Peanut Free sign was posted outside of. Just like the Gun Free and Drug Free building, whom ever is in charge and their employees are reponsible for their policy.
The state and/or federal government have "rules/policies" for guns and drugs...they are only enforcers...if the school has a peanut free "rule/policy" then its the "law" of the principal, therefore he is the enforcer.[/b]
When I read the school policies that river posted, I read them as saying "Us schools are required to follow the law. We are required to report illicit or illegal weapons and drugs, and report any to the authorities if we find someone breaking the law. If we don't, we get in big trouble because we would be breaking the law. And our federal money can be taken away. That would be very bad for us schools."
So they can "ban" weapons and drugs because they already are required to. By declaring the "ban" they are only enforcing the laws that they are already required to do.
Since schools are not required by law to ban peanuts, what would be their motivation to do it?
In the other examples (sleeveless shirts, beepers, gum, etc) where you think the pricipal is accountable to enforce these bans, what risk is there from not enforcing these rules? What liability does the principal take on if they aren't enforced? Not much.
I imagine the pricipal saying "Go ahead and hold me liable for [i]not [/i]adhering to the school's baggy pants rule. No harm is going to occur to another student if I don't enforce it, so I dont carry much liability. I don't mind our school having rules regulating this stuff and I don't mind being accoutable because there really isn't much liability for me. But the potential harm to another kid from me not adhering to a peanut policy is huge. I'm not gonna take on this liability. And I'm not required to by law because peanuts are not illicit."

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:54am
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Quote:Originally posted by river:
[b]Sorry "girls", I'm not that easily bullied. [/b]
river, I'll read your links. I'm not easily bullied either. I don't see anyone bullying, BTW, and I'm not trying to bully you.

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:56am
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]
Since schools are not required by law to ban peanuts, what would be their motivation to do it?
[/b]
"Motivation". I find discovering it somewhat irresistable. In such I often find answers.

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:59am
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MommaBear, thank God you're not packing up your RV for your trip tomorrow!

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 1:01am
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Canadians vs Americans round 3 ... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 1:04am
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Gail,
I see what you are saying about the principal being required by law to do the gun/drug thing but by him saying he holds [b]more[/b] liability with peanuts being in a peanut free area is still contradictory to the gun/drug free term...he is required by law to display it and enforce it but does that mean he is liable when a kid shows up and has in his possession a weapon or drugs?
His only [b]added[/b] liability to having a peanut free area would be if there was [b]no action taken[/b] when it was seen. The same as with a gun or drugs, he isn't going to be held liable if Johnny shoots another kid unless he [b]didn't take action[/b] to prevent the shooting.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 1:05am
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Quote:Originally posted by river:
[b]]
Sorry "girls", I'm not that easily bullied. [/b]
Thinking to myself: "girls" is probably a step up from "complete moron"? River's opinion of me is softening?

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 1:07am
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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b]
Canadians vs Americans round 3 ... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img][/b]
Cam's Mom, MommaBear and I are all Americans. Should we come up with different "team" names? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
Ding, ding, ding. Back to the ring...

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 1:28am
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Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b]Gail,
I see what you are saying about the principal being required by law to do the gun/drug thing but by him saying he holds more liability with peanuts being in a peanut free area is still contradictory to the gun/drug free term...he is required by law to display it and enforce it but does that mean he is liable when a kid shows up and has in his possession a weapon or drugs?
His only added liability to having a peanut free area would be if there was no action taken when it was seen. The same as with a gun or drugs, he isn't going to be held liable if Johnny shoots another kid unless he didn't take action to prevent the shooting.
[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] heads butting hard [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] [/b]
Didn't want this to get lost on the other page...
Erik: You and River are Canadian and your opinions have been the same as my [i]American[/i] opinion, does that mean I'm [i]American/Canadian[/i] in the ring? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by Cam's Mom (edited May 08, 2003).]

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Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b] Erik: You and River are Canadian and your opinions have been the same as my [i]American[/i] opinion, does that mean I'm [i]American/Canadian[/i] in the ring? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
[/b]
Hi Cam's Mom,
But you are from Florida.. half the people in that state are snowbird Canadians anyway so you've been influenced from all the Canadians in your neck of the woods.
You are now an honourary Canadian American [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 2:27am
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Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b]Gail,
I see what you are saying about the principal being required by law to do the gun/drug thing but by him saying he holds more liability with peanuts being in a peanut free area is still contradictory to the gun/drug free term...he is required by law to display it and enforce it but does that mean he is liable when a kid shows up and has in his possession a weapon or drugs? [/b]
No. I read those school polices to say that
schools are liable when they don't [b]report gun/drug violations to law enforcement authorities [/b] (e.g calling the police and the other actions to which the law requires them to do). A kid showing up w/ a gun is breaking the law. The school would break the law if they didn't report this illegal act to law enforcement. The school would be liable for this kids' actions if they did not follow the law (report it to law enforcement). The school is not taking on an "enforcement" role, it's reporting it to the enforcement authorities. I think, this is where their liablity ends (tho perhaps not completely)... when they fulfill their legal duties by reporting it to law enforcement.
So, let's play this out. The principal is aware of a violation in the "peanut free" "law" he he chose to create. Who does he report the violation to? The police? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img] If he is creating his own "law" then he is also must create his own "enforcement" since none other exists. And is liable for it. Unlike dress codes and beepers, life threatening food allergies take on much higher risk of harm (=greater lability)... and unlike drugs/guns where he is not liable once he reports the violation to enforcement.
[This message has been edited by Gail W (edited May 08, 2003).]

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The principal didn't report the alcohol (illegal use and possession) incident of my daughter to the police, he enforced his policy by expelling her from the school. No law enforcement was used or contacted. Neither were the 2 boys who brought the alcohol on to school property, again illegal possession, nothing whatsoever was done to them.
Same goes for drug free workplaces...they don't contact law enforcement, they either fire them (enforcing their policy) or offer them the opportunity for rehabilation.
It's still (IMO) a matter of the schools picking and choosing what they [b]want[/b] to ban, and in the drug/gun free policies with the backing of the state and federal law. Would they ban guns and drugs if their was no law? You bet they would.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 3:20am
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Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b]The principal didn't report the alcohol (illegal use and possession) incident of my daughter to the police, he enforced his policy by expelling her from the school. No law enforcement was used or contacted. Neither were the 2 boys who brought the alcohol on to school property, again illegal possession, nothing whatsoever was done to them.
Same goes for drug free workplaces...they don't contact law enforcement, they either fire them (enforcing their policy) or offer them the opportunity for rehabilation.
It's still (IMO) a matter of the schools picking and choosing what they [b]want[/b] to ban, and in the drug/gun free policies with the backing of the state and federal law. Would they ban guns and drugs if their was no law? You bet they would.
[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img][/b]
Yes, absolutely, I think they pick and choose. Of course. IMO, I think they pick those that don't carry much liability (like dress codes)...because they come at no/little safety risk. And it's easy for them to adopt gun/drug free policies because they mean nothing more that what they are already bound by law to do. They would be held to the same accountability if they had no such policy.
And for the terrible incident w/ your daughter, all I say to that is that when your principal did not report this illegal act he exercised very poor judgement (something that you I'd guess you probably already knew) and opened himself/school to a lawsuit from you.
Would they ban guns and drugs if their was no law? I'm not so sure, Lana. I am [b]much [/b]less optomistic than you!
[This message has been edited by Gail W (edited May 08, 2003).]

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key board problem.... sorry
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Edited to say: Oooops sorry.
not sure twhat happened here.

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Gail,
Still gotta add...there liability can't end if something has happened. The school is definately liable in my daughters example. Even if he had reported the incident to law enforcement, it would have been after the fact. Their liability still is the same because he didn't stop the act once he knew it was being violated.
Now with a PF policy, he simply doesn't have a law to back up his enforcement, but he still has enforcement duties. Where is his liability if he decides not to pose a PF area for my son and then he has a reaction, he has been made aware of the danger that the pnut poses, but yet did not have preventable measures. Take the gun incident, hypothetically speaking, there are no laws against drugs/guns, but there is a policy for that school being drug/gun free: Johnny is seen with a gun, no action is taken and then later he's playing with the gun and it shoots another student accidentally. Would he be liable? Yes, because him or his employee was grossly negligent in not taking action when the gun was seen, would he be liable had he not seen the gun, no because he had a policy in place trying to prevent students from bringing guns to school.
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The principle behind reducing the risk by eliminating peanuts is not because they are illegal. It is based on the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms which supports modifying the school environment to accomodate students with disabilities.
(I will avoid linking to Momma Bear's multiple posts about disability/non - disability, should PA be treated differently from diabetes, etc....)
Furthermore, in Canadian common law the standard set by the courts is that the school boards have a duty to exercise reasonable care and skill to ensure that students are kept reasonably safe. Since an anaphylactic reaction to an allergen is a risk that is pre-identified and known, the board has an obligation to attempt to reduce this risk. Hence the abundance of "peanut free" classrooms. The boards DO NOT have an obligation to provide a completely allergen-free environment, but the Canadian standard is that they should make an effort to reduce the risk.

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Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b]Gail,
Even if he had reported the incident to law enforcement, it would have been after the fact. Their liability still is the same because he didn't stop the act once he knew it was being violated.
[This message has been edited by Cam's Mom (edited May 08, 2003).][/b]
Sorry. I don't follow this. Can you elaborate? Are you saying the teacher/prinicpal is responsible for stopping the act of your dd drinking any more? once they realized she had been drinking?

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Gail were you the girl at the table across from me in high school on the debate team?
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Yes Gail, the teacher knew she was under the influence of something but didn't report it until after class (70 minutes later) and then my daughter went back out and drank more, which is where she was found unconcious. Had they took action immediately when they realized a student was under the influence then she wouldn't been able to drink more or even if the damage was already done there would have been immediate medical attention rather than 2 hrs later, when she was in an acoma state, she never would have gotten to that state with immediate attention and action.

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Ya, then I'd think his inaction would be negligence... = liability. MHO.
My brain is hurting. Lana, where are we at? I'm not feeling that I've change my original opinion too much...
Deb O, thanks for joining in. I'd bet that Lana feels like me...ready to hand off the batton to someone else for a while and catch my breath. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 3:53am
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Lana
I agree with you 100%
The teacher was aware of the issue and choose to do nothing,there for she and the school should and can be held liable.
Love this site
Synthia

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Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b]Gail were you the girl at the table across from me in high school on the debate team?
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Na, I was the one in the gym... gymnastics team, not debate team.
(Hey! Guess the physical contortions might have been good practice for debate tho! LOL! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] Probably encouraged some 'spirit of competition' in me too... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] )
I like having you at the debate table with me, Lana. I enjoy it and thank you for it. I think I need to bow out and get back to ... uh... my life. I hope to see some others join in... and hope you revisit the subject with you sometime Lana.
Gail
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Quote:Originally posted by synthia:
[b]Lana
I agree with you 100%
The teacher was aware of the issue and choose to do nothing,there for she and the school should and can be held liable.
Love this site
Synthia[/b]
me too. My point being the teacher was aware of a possible [b]illegal [/b]activity- -a minor under some sort of influence-- and therefore should have addressed it. hope that was clear in my earlier response.
Hope you'll stay, synthia!
TTFN (That was in honor of you, Lana. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] )
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Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 4:10am
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] Would they ban guns ..... if there was no law[/b]
In Canada they would. We have no right to bear arms here in Canada (unlike in the USA).
Schools here in Toronto would defijitely ban guns even if there was no law.. we are anti-gun here.

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 9:04am
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Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b] Gail, ... with a PF policy, he simply doesn't have a law to back up his enforcement, but he still has enforcement duties. Where is his liability if he decides not to pose a PF area for my son and then he has a reaction, he has been made aware of the danger that the pnut poses, but yet did not have preventable measures. [/b]
Yes! IMO, [i] this [/i]is where to focus. From this somewhat opposite way to address it: addressing his liability from [b]not [/b]providing adequate policy addressing PA. i think his is where you do have legal leverage.
I'm rephrasing your statement above to this question: [i] "where is the school's liability if they do not provide preventive measures to keep my son safe?" [/i] I think that if you pressed forward from this angle, you'd have more success than if you pressed with the PF question.
In our case, we weren't quite that direct, but our request was essentially the same: [i] "what specific preventive measures (in writing, please) will the school put into place to keep our daughter safe." [/i]
Maybe we can or maybe we can't prove our "right" to "Peanut Free" in the US. (I'll be the first one to cheer you on, Lana. Really.) But we (Americans) [b] know for certain [/b] we can excercise our ADA rights. So why not go this philosophical route?
(I know you will use the protection of the 504.)
Sorry to continue to hammer away at this when you've obviously left...
Now you know what my school had to endure w/ me! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 11:44am
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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] Na, I was the one in the gym... gymnastics team, not debate team.
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I was teacher's pet.

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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]Lana, How would you propose the school implement your request for a PF cafeteria table and PF classroom?
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?

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Quote:Originally posted by DebO:
[b]
(I will avoid linking to Momma Bear's multiple posts about disability/non - disability, should PA be treated differently from diabetes, etc....)
[/b]
could you clarify? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:11pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
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Now with a PF policy, he simply doesn't have a law to back up his enforcement, but he still has enforcement duties.[/b]
Are you saying that he has to enforce "Peanut Free" if he has a "Peanut Free" policy?
Is this realistically achievable? If it isn't, is it enforceable?
If it isn't enforceable, Is it possible to make a "Peanut Free" policy? Or are we asking for [b]"lip service"[/b]? Ie: "I like this term, it makes me feel better, I asked for it, therefore the school must accomodate me, since in an ideal world, I would create a "Peanut Free" environment for my child."? (if indeed this is true, would it really be the most effective remedy for food in the classroom?)
Is the most effective remedy what we as parents of PA children are essentially seeking? Would "effective" necessitate being "realistically achieveable?"
Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b]
Where is his liability if he decides not to pose a PF area for my son and then he has a reaction, he has been made aware of the danger that the pnut poses, but yet did not have preventable measures. [/b]
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I am not sure of what you are trying to say? Should I take "preventable measures" to mean "realistically achievable"?
MommaBear [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]
Disclaimer: I am only asking questions. I am not offering advice in any manner or form.

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:14pm
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Hi Momma Bear
I meant I did not want to send the thread off tangent since I know you have started other threads about classifying PA as a disability or not and how it compares with other conditions and that is a separate issue ...
now, of course, I have veered off topic anyway!
take care
deb

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Gail,
I haven't left been doing mommie stuff since this afternoon and am just now getting back to the computer, but to be honest after running all day and most of this evening, my brain is warped so I'll have to continue tommorow after I get home.
Dustin (my 11 yr old non-PA) has a field trip that I'll be chaperoning (many prayers will be needed, lol)...it's the first theme park Cam will be going to with many animal's (meaning lots of animal feed, which I've confirmed has pnuts in, more prayers needed).
But I shall return.... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
MB - I've already answered the question Gail asked, twice, so I'm not clear if you guys are looking for a different type of answer or what?
Thank you Synthia for your cheers, I just wish we were educating the same staff...maybe we can educate the state staff together in the very near future. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
DebO - I missed your post earlier but will read it again tommorow when I have a brain that is less fried.
Looking forward to some more brain twisting.

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:19pm
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Seems I've handed off the batton. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
(Remind me that I need to buy you a lap top so that I can reach you at all times... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
[i]Litterally speaking [/i]that is.... I already realize we communicate telepathically [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img] )

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A Dell would do nicely, although DH would probably divorce me and then hire a hit man for a woman by the name of Gail W. for revenge.... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 05/08/2003 - 12:29pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b]Gail, ...many prayers will be needed, lol)... [/b]
They will arrive in about an hour.
Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b] Thank you Synthia for your cheers. [/b]
Hey, I'm completely jealous of your relationship w/ synthia. I'm cheering you too Lana! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] Can I'm "come with you" guys? Can MommaBear come too?
I'll check in here tomorrow. Good night.

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Quote:Originally posted by Cam's Mom:
[b]
MB - I've already answered the question Gail asked, twice, so I'm not clear if you guys are looking for a different type of answer or what?
[/b]
Where?
I must have missed it. I looked several times and am having a hard time finding it. Could you "quote" it for me?

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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] Hey, I'm completely jealous of your relationship w/ synthia.
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I can hum. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

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