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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2008 - 1:31pm
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[b]instead of scapegoating the problem off until later.[/b]
Scapegoat is holding a person or people, or thing responsible for a problem. Someone selected to bear blame for something.
Using the term 'scapegoating the problem', isn't a correct usage. You are saying 'blaming a person or group of people until a later time'. Rather, try 'bandaid solution' or 'putting off the problem'.
Ok...lesson done :)

Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2008 - 8:06pm
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uk point of view here,
my son is now in his first term of senior school, so my post below is based on infant and primary age. 4 1/2- 11yrs.
In the uk peanut butter is not something that every child brings, but lots do.
my son is also allergic to many other foods that people bring in a packed lunch, or is cooked in school.
My son has never sat away from the children, or sat at a different table.
He never had a reaction from the lunch hall in all his years there.
He had been trained to refuse food that anyone other than me had given him. ( naturally, we all do this)
The staff had a picture of him in the kitchen , and details of his allergies, the same in the staff room and office.
My son was pointed out as someone to observe.
However he DID have a reaction during his first term at school, which was not related to the lunch hall.
which concluded;
That the most dangerous time in the school was during break times.
Children take a snack out of their lunch boxes to eat , during play outside.
Afternoon break was fresh fruit eaten outside.
Lunch halls are more formal, children sit down at tables and eat and are visable, children eating , running around outside, are not.
I was happy with our schools solution to reduce the risk by asking parents not to bring packed lunch foods containing nuts in to school.
As part of their healthy eating plan they asked for no chocolate as well, but I think THATS wrong!!
I am not comfortable with the peanut free tables, exclusion is not something that sits comfortably with me.
I had a hard enough job with the cookery lessons, and craft lessons in the early days, so I was happy with how we got a normal part of the day for my lad.
in our early years our son had, egg /peanut/treenut/all beans/kiwi fruit allergies, and all environmental allergies.
Currently at 12 , now no longer egg allergic, allergic to only one tree nut, is peanut/all beans/yeast extract/kiwi fruit/ dog/cat/dustmite /tree pollen allergic. ( dog being a severe allergy along with the food, which brings on different set of problems)
As for senior school, so far brings his own lunch, when we decided to go for one school meal a week , I plan to visit the lunch hall first .
My son will then decide how he would like to procede.
This will start in september this year, in the build up to expanding his confidance about new foods that mummy has not prepared.
He is due also to spend a week with his school year in france next summer.
So all confidance skills etc are building up to that week!
The most dangerous time for an allergic child in senior school , is PE lessons.
This is when a reaction may occur when staff dont expect it, and reactions will be swift due to exercise.
To combat this area,
son wears medic alert.
His school bag is easily identifiable.
BTW son has mobile phone, as well as meds with him at all times.
school staff have a set of meds in nurse office.
Sport outside means meds on side of pitch with coach, and drink, kept away from others.
Never gets in car that has had a dog in it. So no sharing lifts with dog loving friends before you start running around!!!
just my experience.

Posted on: Mon, 03/17/2008 - 4:58am
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I have heard a lot of people talking about PA and being "contact sensitive". I have no idea if my son is contact sensitive, is this just something that I'll figure out in time?? What does being 'contact sensitive' mean exactly? I assume it means that he would react if he sits near someone eating peanuts?

Posted on: Mon, 03/17/2008 - 5:08am
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Being contact sensitive means you will have a reaction (to any varying degree) when you physically come into contact with the allergen. A smear of pb on a table, residue on the playground or computer, contact other than ingestion. Could be hives on a cheek when someone who's eaten pb kisses you. Could be hives on the backs of your legs from sitting with shorts on at the movie theater, in a chair that has pb residue on it.
Not everyone has contact sesitivites and some experience worse contact reactions than others.
And then there are airborne sensitivites, reactions from inhaled allergen proteins. I guess this is 'contact' if you will, but I think most people separate contact and airborne.

Posted on: Mon, 03/17/2008 - 5:11am
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Originally Posted By: nutty1 I have heard a lot of people talking about PA and being "contact sensitive". I have no idea if my son is contact sensitive, is this just something that I'll figure out in time?? What does being 'contact sensitive' mean exactly? I assume it means that he would react if he sits near someone eating peanuts?
When visiting a litter of puppies (we were looking to buy a new puppy), the puppies brushed up against my son's legs. He spent less than 2 minutes with the puppies as he was young and actually a little afraid of them. Ten minutes later his legs were covered in hives. We couldn't figure out why at first (he was tested for dog allergy and he wasn't allergic to dogs). Later learned the mother dog is given peanut butter in a Kong toy, she of course licks her puppies, and then the puppies brushed up against my son. Contact reaction.
My brother in law ate cake that had almond extract in the icing, and apparently never washed his hands. A few HOURS later, he was play wrestling with my son, who broke out in hives in several places. Contact reaction.

Posted on: Tue, 03/18/2008 - 1:46am
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Nutty1,
There was a recent thread in the main discussions forum about contact and anaphylaxis. I will try to pull it up for you.
Contact sensitivity can vary significantly from child to child. This is why many people have varying comfort zones. I have completely different comfort zones for my own two children based on the differences in their reaction histories and degree of sensitivity.
My daughter is on the extreme end of hypersensitivity. This is why she needs as many peanut free zones as possible. Her reactions are quite significant to invisible traces on surfaces, and she does not have to touch her eyes or mouth for those reactions to be systemic. And basically we have learned through experience (i.e. the hard way!)
100% peanut free would be the ideal for her, but systems change is an ongoing process. Unfortunately the changes do not always stick, for example a classroom may go peanut free during the year she is in it, but they return to using peanut products once she has moved on. Her contact reactions usually occur from surfaces in common areas e.g. doors, and playground equipment. Handwipes are available as the kids exit the cafeteria but the kids are not completely fastidious.
Meanwhile my son could probably sit right on a peanut and not have a problem, so his needs are different. Basically he knows not to eat peanuts and he looks out and speaks up for himself, His teacher and the nurse and other staff have been informed but it is not a big "hoo haw" as it is with my daughter.
Also he is two years younger, so the teachers have already learned in her wake.

Posted on: Tue, 03/18/2008 - 4:59am
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Thanks for your input, it really does sound like I will know with time whether my son will be super hyper-sensitive to peanuts(which of course I hope he is not), or if he'll be someone who can sit close to someone eating nuts and have no reaction at all-I'm praying it will be the latter! It is scary to have to wait and see how this will play out, fear of the unknown I guess.

Posted on: Tue, 03/18/2008 - 11:19pm
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You are exactly right. I had MANY nights of tossing and turning when my daughter was age 2 to around 6. After having worked through a variety of reactions, things became more predictable and therefore less frightening.
Of course there is always a level of anxiety, and you must continue to be alert and proactive always. We have also learned the hard way about letting our guard down. Remember that no one else will have it in the forefront of their mind at all times like you do. They will have their own worries, so remind others frequently (including school staff, close friends, and family)
BTW I found the contact thread in Main Discussion. It is titled reaction question.
I also hope for your son to be mildly sensitive, but if he turns out to be extreme, I welcome you to my world, and want to reassure you that things will mostly be OK.

Posted on: Wed, 03/19/2008 - 9:52pm
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It is also the way the school handles it. If the school handles it right and doesn't cause the kids to be further isolated than sometimes they already are being different. For my child, peanut free table is the only way because of contact sensitivities. Middle School and High School will be challenging.

Posted on: Sun, 03/23/2008 - 12:54pm
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My son's allergist is on the board of FAAN and he feels that 'contact sensitive' shouldn't be what we are concerned with. Rather, touching an allergen and then touching eyes, nose or mouth = *ingestion* of an allergen. It doesn't take a lot of peanut butter residue on one's hands and then into ones eyes, nose or mouth to cause a problem. That's why many want peanut-free tables for their children. Seemingly invisible amounts of pb can cause life threatening reactions. There really isn't any way to know if your child will react to this level of exposure or not as reactions can change from one exposure to the next so at the least I would have your child be very, very careful not to touch other's food, lunch boxes, the table, etc and to not touch eyes, nose or mouth, to wash before and after eating. If your child reacts at the regular table I'd for sure go for peanut-free.
More psych problems from being scare to die than from being made fun of, unfortuantely.

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