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Posted on: Mon, 10/04/1999 - 3:35pm
Chris PeanutAllergy Com's picture
Joined: 04/25/2001 - 09:00

pI want to hear from all involved on this thread (or if you have an opinion, knowledge experience etc.). Call the PeanutAllergy.Com phone number 1-(207)-766-5292. We are on EST. (on most days between 9 a.m. and noon is the best time for me to be able to speak with you). If this is not a convenient time for you, e mail me and we can set up a time.br /
I want to hear from you as soon as possible.br /
Please put it on your calendars to remind you to call. We will be working on this again after the Columbus Day weekend, please call again starting Tuesday the 12th. We spoke with many people today regarding this subject./p
pTalk to you soon./p
p------------------br /
Stay Safe/p
p [email]"Chris@PeanutAllergy.Com"[/email] /p
p[This message has been edited by Chris PeanutAllergy Com (edited October 06, 1999).]/p
p[This message has been edited by Chris PeanutAllergy Com (edited April 24, 2001).]/p

Posted on: Tue, 10/05/1999 - 2:37am
Mel's picture
Joined: 09/21/1999 - 09:00

pI have some question in regards to neat. I have read the thread and the more I read the more concerned I get. Yes, I have checked out the website. Yes, I have checked out the acupuncture theory. Yes, I understand the need to find help for the PA. Some of my question are....br /
I have read that naet deals with the energy field of the allergen. How does this effect the IgE level in the PA person? The desensitization process is not instantaneous and you have to wait 25 hours after treatment to be completely desensitized. Why is it not instantaneous? If what is being done is desensitizing a person, how long are the treatments and how long will a person have to have treatments?( for Life?) I've been told that the more exposure to peanuts a person has the more deadly it becomes. How does that work in desensitizing a person?br /
How have the theory's been tested?br /
According to DOC the stagnation in the meridians cause symptoms and the acupuncture points used in neat rid the body of these. How has this been tested and document? How does it rid the body of these symptoms?/p
pJust a thought: If a person was having a reaction to Peanuts, would the acupuncture treatment stop the reaction? or would you still need medical treatment? the epi-pen? /p
pSo many question/p

Posted on: Wed, 10/06/1999 - 9:41am
rebgaby's picture
Joined: 08/09/1999 - 09:00

pDoc, you seem to have misunderstood my post - I didn't say you had to believe in accupuncture for it to work. I also didn't say that it hadn't been around for a long time. This discussion is not about how well acupuncture works on children and animals (BTW you didn't specify what you mean by "works" or what it works on). It is about whether or not the NAET diagnosis and treatment is a valid diagnosis and treatment for peanut allergy./p
pAn "knowable" medical theory is based on hard evidence - things that can be measured, observed, seen, and tested. An "unknowable" medical theory is one based on a belief in something rather than on hard evidence that it exists. You believe that meridians exist - but they have not been seen and there is no objective way to measure them or prove their existence. I'm not saying they do or do not exist - I'm just saying that it is unknowable presently./p

Posted on: Wed, 10/06/1999 - 12:33pm
Chris PeanutAllergy Com's picture
Joined: 04/25/2001 - 09:00

pWe will be working on this again after the Columbus Day weekend, please call again starting Tuesday the 12th. We spoke with many people today regarding this subject./p
p Talk to you soon./p
p------------------br /
Stay Safe/p
p [email]"Chris@PeanutAllergy.Com"[/email]/p

Posted on: Fri, 10/22/1999 - 4:14am
kristene's picture
Joined: 09/27/1999 - 09:00

pI'm just curious - did you have to sign some sort of release when you underwent these treatments?/p
pA poster on the Parents Place board was told her daughter/son had been cleared of an egg allergy. The next stop was the ER after eating eggs./p

Posted on: Sat, 10/23/1999 - 2:48am
anonymous's picture
Joined: 05/28/2009 - 16:42

pIn answer to your question, no we do not sign any release forms. I've never known any doctor to provide release forms for their office services. I believe as patients, we are responsible for educating ourslves as much as possible. It was well worth the $20.-$25. for the 2 books I have on naet. An educated patient can ask many more questions and learn more about their individualized treatment. In all walks of life there are good and bad. In all professions there are good and bad. It is up to the individual to investigate the person providing a service. Practioners are just that! They are practicing on us. When you have surgery you sign a release. Does this somehow reassure that you will get the best care? I have found a doctor that follows the exact protocol of this procedure. I know this by reading all the information available. I ask questions, and if I were uncomfortable with the answer I would not proceed. We have never had a problem with any allergy clearing. We are always re-tested before trying an allergen, and if the response is not strong, we check for further allergies. Question: Was this person re-tested before trying the allergen? Was the response strong? Did they check to see if the allergy needed to be cleared individually? Say yolks first, Then egg whites? Maybe even chicken? When an allergy is severe you may need more than one clearing. We needed many clearings for the peanut allergy. My son has now tryed peanuts 3 times with no reaction at all! This ia a long way from the former anaphylactic shock he suffered at one time. I only know what has worked for us. I was told this would never go away by western medicine. I now believe when administered properly alternative medicine is very benefical!/p

Posted on: Sat, 10/23/1999 - 11:46am
EILEEN's picture
Joined: 04/06/1999 - 09:00

pThe brain is NOT involved in analphylactic reactions in the way described by TJ and PJ. These inaccurate descriptions do not lend any credence to this treatment. IgE antibodies directed to the allergen are PREFORMED and are bound to the surface of mast cells and basophils just "waiting" for the allergen to enter the body. That is why the reactions happen so quickly. The immune system isn't confused!!! It could probably be said that the interaction of an antigen with an antibody involves the interaction of two energy fields, but this would not be electromagnetic energy (electromagntic energy includes microwaves, visible light, gamma, X-rays etc). Please don't throw out "technical" terms and use them incorrectly. Delayed T and B cells, there are no such B cells. Delayed Type Hypersentivity (DTH) is an immunological event involving T cells (T-DTH) but this is NOT the same as anaphylaxis./p
pI am a great believer in treating the body in a holistic way..... but this sounds like a money-making scam to me. /p
p[This message has been edited by EILEEN (edited October 25, 1999).]/p

Posted on: Sun, 10/24/1999 - 6:38am
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Joined: 05/28/2009 - 16:42

pEileen,br /
I didn't just throw out "technical terms" incorrectly as you put it. I got the information from the book "Winning the War Against Asthma and Allergies by Dr. Ellen Cutler. Refer to chapter 9, pg.194-196. The information is just as it is in the book. If you think it is incorrect then I would contact those involved with the making of that book. I used their exact words! It is available everywhere!/p

Posted on: Mon, 10/25/1999 - 2:31am
Anna's picture
Joined: 07/20/1999 - 09:00

pWith all the personal respect that is due (i.e. I am not focusing on you, but the ideas that are being brought up), when you quote a book which contains questionable science, you are, in effect, quoting incorrect technical terms. /p
pIf you then present this bad (or non) science in this forum, do not claim surprise at others' valid critiques and tell them to get in touch with the author. This is diversion IMHO./p
pAs I see it, Eileen has the right idea about anaphylaxis. The brain has little or nothing to do with reactions, and 'confusion' is a wholly human linguistic construct, which has nothing to do with the anaphylactic immune system. Bad science should, IMO, be clearly presented as one's belief system, which can neither be proven nor disproven. /p
pScience is that which can be proven and replicated in a tangible way and presented in clear language. Belief has nothing to do with it. Hence the repeated request for peer reviewed journal articles. /p
pFWIW, I have also heard of severe reactions after having been 'cleared' of allergies by supposedly reputable and respected NAET practitioners in local communities. The reason? The subjects must not have 'believed in' the treatment. It couldn't possibly be because the treatment or practitioner were faulty. [img]http://client.ibboards.com/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]/p

Posted on: Mon, 10/25/1999 - 2:45am
Jan's picture
Joined: 01/26/1999 - 09:00

pHi Guys,br /
Just wanted to let you know how we are doing with NAET. My son seems to be doing much better. So far he has cleared oranges,raisins,eggs,chicken, milk, and some vitamins. We just had him treated for peanuts on friday. I am not going to give him any until his blood test is clear of it. I just wanted a back up since halloween is coming up. I too, was starting to have second thoughts on this. It just seems to be too good. So we had them treat him for oranges that we knew it could not hurt him. He would get hives around his lips and chin and he was just skin tested for them a couple of months ago, well he cleared them and is drinking orange juice with no problems. He was cleared of milk which is his most severe allergy. I haven't given him straight milk since he was cleared but I give him food that has milk in it and he is doing good with it. I don't know how this works but I am amazed how well he is doing. He is eating so much more. In a few months I am going to get him blood tested again and I do and will still treat him that he has a peanut allergy and always will carry the EPI-PENS with us. I just wanted to let you know how we are doing, life is starting to get a little bit easier since we started going. Jan/p


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