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Posted on: Fri, 02/24/2006 - 5:34am
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You know what I would find interesting (and it might just be me [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] ) is having the different answers that people could choose from in that poll posted as separate topics and discussion of those answers thereof.
I mean, there's a reason we all feel the way we do and a reason why we all checked whatever box we did end up checking.
I'll see if I can wrap my mind around doing that next week if someone else can't.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Fri, 02/24/2006 - 10:52am
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Quote:Originally posted by turtle:
[b]I think FAIR and SAFE are interesting words. Life isn't fair-period. Never has been, never will. And safe is relative. What is safe for one child is not necessarily safe for another. [/b]
I think we all know life is not fair (none of us would be on this web site if it were). But I firmly believe that the world is what WE make of it. All I'm trying to do is level the playing field for my daughter. And I'm confused about the point that "what is safe for one child may not be safe for another"--are there kids out there that will die if they DON'T have nuts at school? And this I also know-the day someone puts my kid on a bench to eat is the day that person better FEAR me (best of luck to you and your little guy, csc--I really feel for you guys).
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Posted on: Fri, 02/24/2006 - 11:56pm
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So if there were two schools you could send your child to, one with no restrictions on what kids bring in for lunch, snacks etc and with a nurse and your 504 in place. the other is a school where they do not allow kids to bring in peanut butter or things with nuts in them,but do allow may contains, also with nurse and whole school is epipen trained with walkie talkies, plan in place, safe food in place for child, epipens in classroom and nurses office
Which one do u choose for your child??
I chose the second one
when my child was in the first one i got a call from nurse saying to come pick up child because the classroom next door to my sons classroom was doing a peanut butter project.
my child was in kindergarten at the time, only half days no lunch,no snack.
the hallway reeked of peanut butter, these kids while not in his class, do use the same facilites as him. my , just turned 5 year old child, was in the nurses office being sent home for his safety, my child was scared, they scared him.
i then learned about the other school that he attends now. They dont adverstise themslves as a peanut free school.
he has been in this school since first grade. Do we let our guard down, no. like I said he has his plan in place, he has his safe snacks in place, his epipens, I go on all trips etc. Can accidents happen, yes of course, that's why he takes precautions.
At least the classroom next door isnt doing a peanut butter project (which btw, what is that??) and he is not sitting with 100 kids eating pb andj sandwiches.
SO yeah I chose the second school
which would you choose?
[This message has been edited by patsmommy (edited February 25, 2006).]

Posted on: Sat, 02/25/2006 - 12:03am
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SaraM, Let me try to explain that statement as I understand it. (This is not to say that this is my own opinion, Okay?)
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Some PA adults and yes, even parents, feel that the best way to "train" PA children to handle their own allergy is to force them into situations where they MUST be reliant on their own vigilance and develop avoidance strategies that are effective. The earlier the better. It will empower them and make them self-sufficient adults.
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Clearly these are people who have the interests of their PA child at heart, but are not as frantically concerned about casual contact. I wouldn't dream of telling them that this is the wrong choice for their situation. I don't know their situation. I've not seen that attitude in a parent whose child is aerosol and contact sensitive. I don't see why school needs to be some sort of kid-run boot camp with live ammunition, n'est pas?
Unfortunately, we all act as ambassadors for everyone else in our community whether we like it or not. So it DOES hurt when the "anti-ban" people make statements that imply bans are just hyper parenting or that it just isn't necessary. Because the next family that person encounters could be mine.
[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] HTH explain.

Posted on: Sat, 02/25/2006 - 1:26am
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Please pardon me, as I continue to read posts kinda in a blur (I know, some people have thought I always have [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] ).
Sara M., I'm continuing to like and appreciate your posts.
Thinking back, and it goes a long way for me, right now, but my son started school 7 years ago. I'd like to think that the work I did with his then school, where he was the first PA child, *helped* PA parents and children that came after. Don't know if it did.
When we had the year from he** in Grade 3, two years ago, there were a lot of things that I could have done and didn't (filing an OHRC complaint) and I even explained to my son that what happened to him that year (a multitude of things) was not okay and I apologized to him for not doing what I *normally* would have done regarding his *rights* because I had other things going on that year (a move back home and other things) and to this day I am still angry with myself for not having done what I could have done.
We were leaving the school district, but I wish I had done what I could have done so that no other PA child in that school district (particularly school) had to endure what we had to that year.
Even last year, because we were new at the school and even though the BENCH ticked me off from Day One, I didn't do anything except mumble about it until this year. I've apologized to my son about that as well.
It's all a woulda/coulda/shoulda kinda thing and thank heaven we learn, through posting here, and life experience, that PA is simply part of our journey here and we all deal as best as we can with different circumstances that present themselves to us.
I do have regrets that the time and energy I seemed to have had when my son was first in school is no longer with me, but I had just started within the last few weeks to become more pro-active with the school again - making those phone calls to check on things being sold at the school, etc.
I know that I have "paved the way" and I also know that other times I have completely and utterly buried my head in the sand because I couldn't deal with it at the time.
I just figure, as I said, it's part of the journey and we all do the best that we can for our children and you know what? I have never seen, on this board, anyone say, hey, you're doing the *wrong* thing. I've had great advice on how to do the *right* thing, but I've never had anyone get upset and say, hey, you are doing the *wrong* thing.
Bottom line is, we're all on the journey together. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Sun, 02/26/2006 - 11:36am
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I agree that schools should be peanut free. I have fought to have this done in my sons school & finally after 2 years letters will be sent out to the whole school stating that our school is now Peanut Sensitive on March 1st & everyone must refrain from bring peanut products to school. I have educated the school also regarding peanut allergy & the principal no longer compares it to a gluten allergy!! He understands my son's allergy to peanuts can be fatal!!

Posted on: Mon, 02/27/2006 - 8:58am
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Short answer: no. It is not fair to have a peanut-free school.
Longer answer: It is not fair to expect that every last trace of peanut will never enter the school..
HOWEVER...
I think it is reasonable to expect the classrooms to have a no food policy. I think it is reasonable to have peanut-free tables in the lunch room. I also think that all food should be consumed while the kids are sitting at a table, and everyone has to wash up after snacks/lunch.

Posted on: Mon, 03/06/2006 - 5:35am
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Hi,
I just read the recent poll for the peanut butter elimination question. I fear that a decision to remove peanut butter will open the door to removing other deadly food allergens. Once a public school system makes an accommodation for one section of the population more will follow. My understanding is that egg, fish , and other types of nuts are also among the most common of deadly allergens which I assume will follow peanut butter. Deadly reactions to Dairy allergens are on the rise and the list can be quite lengthy when you start to do the research. I have even heard of deadly reactions to chicken.
Also, The initial group that will be effected most by removing peanut butter removal is kids of other deadly food allergen, for example: A child who is deadly allergic to egg has a short list of food they can safely consume and now the schools is going to remove another, it will then be well within that mothers rights to ask for the same accommodations for her child(removal of egg).
Although the decision to remove peanut butter comes from the heart, it is a bad decision and will eventually bring us to a place where children are no longer allowed to bring food to school. This sounds ridiculous and it maybe our grandchildren that feel the effects but it will be a reality if we continue done the path of food elimination as a solution to deadly food allergens.

Posted on: Mon, 03/06/2006 - 5:40am
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[I just posted a concern about removing food from schools in reaction to deadly allergins and I really interested in your views.]Originally posted by funkiesteph5:
[b]I agree that schools should be peanut free. I have fought to have this done in my sons school & finally after 2 years letters will be sent out to the whole school stating that our school is now Peanut Sensitive on March 1st & everyone must refrain from bring peanut products to school. I have educated the school also regarding peanut allergy & the principal no longer compares it to a gluten allergy!! He understands my son's allergy to peanuts can be fatal!![/b][/quote]

Posted on: Mon, 03/06/2006 - 6:06am
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Our school is "peanut/nut-free", or at least it attempts to be. There are no guarantees, we know that. The school was like that even before my now 7 year old PA DS was born. There are at least a dozen kids at our school that have PA. I have met people who don't appreciate it, but understand why it should be done. There have been times when a "may contain" item has shown up, and it is the students, classmates and lunch monitors who "get it" the most. Most kids these days know a kid with life threatening allergies, whether it's peanuts, nuts or bee stings (to name but a few). That wasn't the case when we were growing up. I don't think we are trying to put our kids into a "bubble" by trying to eliminate allergens from the classroom. My DS knows he can't take things for granted. Even though the school is "peanut/nut free" he still won't accept anything if it doesn't have a label, period. He knows what can happen, and for the moment, he is going to make sure he is safe. The only safe place for him, is his home, the one that his father and sister and I have lovingly made "peanut" and "may contain" free. I often think about when he is older, moved out of the house, will I still keep my house Peanut free? Probably, because I love him more than a silly (but tasty) peanut.

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