Obesity as A Disability? Thoughts?

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 2:38am
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For starters, does obesity qualify as a "disability" in the "reasonable accommodation" sense?

What "accommodations" if any, have you noticed?

How are these accommodations, if there be any, recieved/viewed by the public? Yourself?

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 4:15am
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Hmmmm,
Obesity caused by lifestyle is not a disability IMO. Obesity caused by a genetic/medical condition should be.
As a person who could stand to lose a few beer pounds ( [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] ), my weight is totally my responsibility. People who become obese due to sedentary lifestyles and high-fat diets will have a difficult time gaining(!)... "reasonable accomodations" when good nutrition and exercise should be the reasonable accomodations they should bring to THEMSELVES.
Now, for cases of obesity due to genetic/medical problems; I've never noted any kind of accomodation made specifically for those of greater girth than average.
Unfortunately, I don't think requests to accomodate the obese would be met very favourably by the public at large. Fat jokes are a staple of the North American humour grist.
*edited 'cuz I'm tired and making lots of typos
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Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 5:31am
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I think most obesity is not a disability. Or, it's not a disability in the same way peanut allergies or blindness are. When your behavior can completely reverse your condition, I think it's a personal responsiblity issue. Some people are more prone to obesity and that is an unfortunate propensity...but I am prone to high metabolism and have to work not to be a complete stick - and in other times this is a severe disadvantage. In times of food shortage, I'd be the first to go... That said though I would love to see a focus in school on healthy nutritious things and physical activity. In the US our culture does seem to promote obesity...no junk food machines in school or fast food vendors...I'd be all for that.

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 5:39am
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I agree that most cases are not a disability unless there is an underlying medical condition. Childhood obesity is one thing that makes me very angry. Why do people let kids become so overweight? I know the school has a lot of focus on food, but I believe the parents have a lot to do with it too.
I also know that everyone is paying for obesity because they say that it is the leading cause for rising medical costs and rising insurance premiums. So we are paying for those who choose to overeat and not exercise. Not much different than paying for those who smoke their whole lives and have tons of medical bills, I guess.
I would have a difficult time with making accomodations for someone who is overweight with no medical problems. I dont want to be overweight so I watch what I eat and exercise. Why should we make special accomodations for those who choose not too?
I have no personal hard feelings against overweight people, just dont think its a disablility I should accomodate. The kids whose parents allow them to become overweight is a whole other situation with me.

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 6:40am
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I have noticed accommodations once. Read about it in the newspaper, but can't remember where it was.
Someone was convicted of a crime. A serious crime. Anyone else would have been in jail. Due to this man's size, jail was considered *cruel and unusual punishment* and so he was placed under house arrest.
I don't know how the rest of the public recieved/viewed this, but personally, I was disgusted. He belonged in jail.

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 8:09am
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AnnaMarie, That is pretty disgusting! Can you imagine how the family of the victim felt?

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 8:57pm
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Have any of you read "Fat Land"? I can't remember who wrote it, and am only half-way through, but it makes fascinating reading. It gives accounts of why exactly it is that it is cheaper now for low income families to feed themselves at a McDonalds, etc, than to buy food at the grocery store.
I don't think that obesity is a disability as such, but when you look at all the factors, the odds are weighed (pardon the pun!) against low income, non-white people leading a healthy lifestyle.
Its not a pair of shoes I can easily imagine myself in - I'm not American and I'm not low income or obese, but the facts are that since the 1970s, its become easier and easier to become obese.
Take as an example a complaint the Olive Garden received in the 80's - the chairs were not big enough for the "over size". The CEO deemed it necessary that at least 3 over size chairs be supplied to every branch to accomodate those who found the regular chairs too small. If that isn't permissive, I don't know what is.
McDonald's goal is to have repeat custom at 20 visits per month. 20. 20???? I go maybe once a month, but if that is a realistic goal (and it is in some cases), then what the heck are we coming to??
Sorry MommaBear, you struck a real chord with me, I could go on and on, but I won't!
No, I don't think obesity is a disability, but facts are that it is easier to be obese than it is to be lean and fit in this day and age.

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 10:06pm
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I think some people who are obese are disabled by their obesity, but not all. Some obese people are active and pretty healthy and aren't too slowed down by their extra weight. But others are too big to walk. Obviously, those people are disabled.
I'm always surprised by the stigma surrounding obesity. It's a medical condition, not a moral condition!
After all, lots of diseases are caused or influenced by lifestyle choices. Emphysema, lung cancer, diabetes, AIDS, heart disease, cervical cancer, even breast cancer...they can all be caused at least partly by things people do and choices they make in their lives.
I don't think it matters what caused the disability or disease in the first place. Some people with spinal cord injuries did something stupid to cause their own injury, but they are just as disabled and are entitled to the same kind of accommodations as someone who was born with spina bifida, for example.
Anyway, obesity isn't just a simple matter of someone eating too much. It has to be more complicated than that. I know a family with one obese child and in that case it's definitely not caused by diet. I think there's a lot more to obesity than meets the eye.
[url="http://www.obesity.org"]www.obesity.org[/url]

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Quote:Originally posted by arachide:
[b]Hmmmm,
Obesity caused by lifestyle is not a disability IMO. Obesity caused by a genetic/medical condition should be.
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could you give me some examples?

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Quote:Originally posted by momma2boys:
[b]I agree that most cases are not a disability unless there is an underlying medical condition. ..............
............I would have a difficult time with making accomodations for someone who is overweight with no medical problems. [/b]
is obesity a "medical condition"?
Quote:Originally posted by momma2boys:
[b]I dont want to be overweight so I watch what I eat and exercise. [/b]
Does this method [i]always[/i] achieve desired goals for everyone? Are there persons [i]for whatever reason(s)[/i] that [b]do not posess this capability[/b]? Are we all created equal?
Quote:Originally posted by momma2boys:
[b]Why should we make special accomodations for those who choose not too?[/b]
Is it always a choice, or always a conscious choice?
Quote:Originally posted by momma2boys:
[b]I have no personal hard feelings against overweight people, just dont think its a disablility I should accomodate. [/b]
Wondering if other persons have similiar sentiments wrt to other disabilities?

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 10:53pm
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SandraY,
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(In an otherwise imperfect world...?)

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Quote:Originally posted by Sandra Y:
[b]I don't think it matters what caused the disability or disease in the first place. [/b]
WRT accomodation.......... I completely agree. ([i]jumping up and down with joy[/i])

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Quote:Originally posted by Gwen Thornberry:
[b]Sorry MommaBear, you struck a real chord with me, I could go on and on, but I won't!
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No need to say "Sorry" to me. (Your post had me riveted.) [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 11:12pm
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My MIL has a handicap parking permit because she is large and has difficulty walking.
My personal opinions don't matter since I've never been obese nor have any family members that are.
My dh's family are all large.
Everything does come into play when someone is overweight(lack of exercise, bad food choices, eating for all the wrong reasons)however, I always thought overweight people may just have larger stomachs because if I overeat I sometimes could throw up!
Lots of things can be considered a disability. If you have two people with the same medical condition, they will experience it differently. One may be bedridden, the other walking.
In other words leave the diagnosis up to the Doctors/or individuals and the heck with everyone else.
Anyway, I agree mostly with Sandra Y [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 11:14pm
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SandraY,
Just checked out the link. Noted there was a section entitled: "Disability Due to Obesity".

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 11:30pm
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I have to say that I don't see obesity as a moral issue, either. In that it's not morally better to be thin than fat. But if the obese individual is unhappy and unhealthy and wants to change, there are a lot of things they can do - so many programs, so many behavioral changes that can be made. On the other hand, though my daughter's peanut allergy makes her unhappy and potentially very unhealthy from a reaction, there is no personal behavioral change she can make to make her PA go away. Also, the peanut allergy is potentially IMMEDIATELY deadly whereas obesity takes time to build up and potentially be deadly. One slipup with a carton of icecream doesn't make you fat. One slip up with a peanut could kill my daughter. While being obese makes you disabled on a day to day basis, it just is not in the same category of disabilities as PA in my opinion.

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 11:37pm
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] could you give me some examples?
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...of underlying medical conditions that may cause obesity?
Quote:Originally posted by Sandra Y:[b]
I'm always surprised by the stigma surrounding obesity. It's a medical condition, not a moral condition![/b]
Can it be argued that obesity falls into 2 camps? That caused by medical conditions and that caused by "controllable" external factors. If one's obesity is self-induced and self-imposed, is that not an immoral act done upon oneself? Let me explain what I think I mean...
Am I safe to presume that it's common knowledge that junk food and no physical activity are bad for your body? If a person chooses to forgo any effort to maintain a healthier lifestyle (and I'm referring to people who do NOT have underlying medical conditions), then they are knowingly doing something bad to themselves (moral issue?). It's a reversible choice. That's the crux there, the fact that it's reversible in those cases.
I absolutely agree that accomodations should be made to those who have "no choice", who cannot reverse their situations themselves.
Quote:Originally posted by Sandra Y:[b]
I don't think it matters what caused the disability or disease in the first place. Some people with spinal cord injuries did something stupid to cause their own injury, but they are just as disabled and are entitled to the same kind of accommodations as someone who was born with spina bifida, for example.[/b]
Yes, absolutely. But let's agree that a spinal cord injury is not reversible (yet!). It's not like a situation where the individual keeps giving themselves the accident over and over again... (likened to self-caused obesity)
[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] btw Sandra, I'm not trying to nitpick with you. Just found you raised some very good thought-provoking points.

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[quote]Originally posted by MommaBear:
is obesity a "medical condition"?
The definition of obesity is excess accumulation of fat. Does that qualify it as a medical condition? Or does it [i]cause[/i] a medical condition?? I also think you have to look at the reasons behind it. If you are like someone I know who eats a box of hohos in one day, gets extra mayo or extra dressing on everything, eats mcdonalds 4 times a week, does absolutely no exercise and is overweight, is that a medical condition? IMHO, NO! Maybe bad eating habits and laziness, but not an underlying medical condition.
Originally posted by momma2boys:
I dont want to be overweight so I watch what I eat and exercise.
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Does this method always achieve desired goals for everyone? Are there persons for whatever reason(s) that do not posess this capability? Are we all created equal?
I believe for most people, you can achieve this goal. [i]Desire[/i] to do so may impact the outcome. Surely there are those who have to battle heredity. I am one of those people. Losing weight isnt easy for most people, and its harder for some. There is body shape, bone size, etc, so not everyone will have the capability to be a size 6, but can you stay in a healthy range? Usually, unless you have metabolism problems or other medical problems.
Originally posted by momma2boys:
Why should we make special accomodations for those who choose not too?
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Is it always a choice, or always a conscious choice?
No, not always a choice, and there are times I dont realize Ive been gaining. Then I realize it, and work on it. Yes it is a choice whether you exercise or not, and whether you eat at home or get the double whopper, eat one donut or 6.
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Originally posted by momma2boys:
I have no personal hard feelings against overweight people, just dont think its a disablility I should accomodate.
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Wondering if other persons have similiar sentiments wrt to other disabilities?
Absolutely they do. Thats why you have people who arent handicapped parking in handicapped spots or bitching about the amount of them. Or those who will send in peanut butter to school after being requested not to. If you accomodate everyone for everything, where do you draw the line? If Im just kinda lazy and dont like walking far, especially in the cold can I get a special parking permit? Im allergic to perfume, so should we ban it for public use, because if I go near you I get a headache and lightheaded? Im allergic to trees and grass. Could my neighbors please be forced to cut down their trees?
After all, lots of diseases are caused or influenced by lifestyle choices. Emphysema, lung cancer, diabetes, AIDS, heart disease, cervical cancer, even breast cancer...they can all be caused at least partly by things people do and choices they make in their lives.
I don't think it matters what caused the disability or disease in the first place. Some people with spinal cord injuries did something stupid to cause their own injury, but they are just as disabled and are entitled to the same kind of accommodations as someone who was born with spina bifida, for example.
I believe their is the issue of "personal responsibility" that comes into play. I know not all childhood obesity is due to overeating, but a lot of it is. A lot of it is fast food and junk food. These are poor choices by parents and then their child has health problems, should they be held responsible? Not only are you causing them physical problems, but what about the emotional when they go to school and are laughed at, and called names? That makes me really sad that kids are put in that situation.
I know this may sound like I have no compassion for people who are overweight, but I know a lot of people who are overweight. I have friends who are overweight. And they will all tell you its because they just dont have time to exercise, or dont have time to cook a healthy meal. They dont claim to have medical problems causing it.
Is it completely their fault, no, blame society for the greed most people have now, bigger and better, supersize, extra large, give me more food for my money. Food and treats in classrooms, candy as incentives to learn, toys at mcdonalds to entice kids to beg for that happy meal. Something def. needs to change.
Im not saying if you are overweight and have difficulty walking we should say, "sorry no wheelchair entrance for YOU", but how many people think the man AnnaMarie posted about should be under house arrest after a murder because he was too big to be in jail?? There have to be boundaries.

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 11:50pm
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BTW Mommabear, I just prob. left myself wide open to slaughter with my opinions. So lets hear what your answer is to these questions [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 11:51pm
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Did anyone else check out the link?

Posted on: Thu, 01/08/2004 - 11:59pm
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Why would the cause of the medical condition even be a consideration when deciding whether a person is disabled. Who cares what caused it? The term "disability" is not a prize that is awarded to good people who suffer through no fault of their own. It just means the person's function is impaired.
Why would we say an obese person who overeats is not truly disabled? I mean, if she can't get down the stairs out of her house and hold a job, obviously she's disabled. Who cares how she got that way?
Arachide, I don't feel picked on at all, don't worry. I'm sure you'll see the light eventually! Hee!
And why am I up in the middle of the night arguing about obesity? Hmmm. I have no idea. Somehow it hit a nerve. Guess it reminds me of peanut allergy for some reason.

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"overweight"
"obese"
"morbidly obese"
Different?
The Same?
Similiar?
Anyone?

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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]
Different?
The Same?
Similiar?
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[i]A Spectrum?[/i]

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Quote:Originally posted by Sandra Y:
[b]
And why am I up in the middle of the night arguing about obesity? Hmmm. I have no idea. Somehow it hit a nerve. Guess it reminds me of peanut allergy for some reason. [/b]
Interesting. The conversation is beginning to remind me of some of the comments persons have directed at my cubs. (As well as myself as a parent). And they are not "obese". Actually, what I'm speaking of is not in reference to food anywhoo. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

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Quote:Originally posted by Sandra Y:
[b]Why would the cause of the medical condition even be a consideration when deciding whether a person is disabled. Who cares what caused it? The term "disability" is not a prize that is awarded to good people who suffer through no fault of their own. It just means the person's function is impaired.
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[i]Waaaaaaaaaaaait a minute.[/i] Does this mean I should be more concerned with the literal interpretation than the [i]baggage[/i]? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]

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*Personally*? I live in a glass house. A fragile thing, but the [i]view[/i] is wonderful. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]

Posted on: Fri, 01/09/2004 - 12:13am
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So................... [i]back to the visible thing[/i].
Are other human conditions as visible and open to scrutiny (and [i]comment[/i]) as "obesity"?

Posted on: Fri, 01/09/2004 - 12:23am
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SandraY,
I checked out the "Editorials" section in the link and found in it two articles with the titles:
[b]"It's Your Fault"[/b]
and
[b]"Why Don't They Get It?"[/b]
[i]Interesting[/i]

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Quote:Originally posted by Sandra Y:
[b]Why would the cause of the medical condition even be a consideration when deciding whether a person is disabled. Who cares what caused it? The term "disability" is not a prize that is awarded to good people who suffer through no fault of their own. It just means the person's function is impaired.
Why would we say an obese person who overeats is not truly disabled? I mean, if she can't get down the stairs out of her house and hold a job, obviously she's disabled. Who cares how she got that way?
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Most people have to work in order to support themselves and their family. If you are truly overweight due ONLY to overeating should you be allowed to continue that course and collect disability? Never have to get a job? Or should you exercise, diet, and get a job? At the rate obesity is rising there will soon be a lot of people on disability.
I dont relate this form of obesity to peanut allergy, because you can bet your a@@ if there was a way to get rid of peanut allergy by the same means we would be doing it.
There are serious healthcare and insurance problems in our country and you are right, a lot of them are from paying for medical costs for problems people self inflict. Smoking, drug use, unsafe sex, drunk driving, etc. Everyone has to pay for those who abuse their bodies. I dont know what the answer is but obesity is rapidly rising into a major problem in this country.

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Quote:Originally posted by Sandra Y:
[b]Why would the cause of the medical condition even be a consideration when deciding whether a person is disabled. [/b]
[i]elitism?[/i]

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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] [i]elitism?[/i]
[/b]
How about [i]preventable[/i], [i]reversible[/i], [i]curable[/i]
I dont think im being elitist. Maybe realistic. I dont think I should have to work for a living, while someone else sits home getting paid disability because they [b]chose[/b] to overeat and not exercise and continue to do so. Yes its unfortunate. My son could go to work and be exposed to peanuts and die instantly. Will he ever have the option to sit home and collect disability? NO. Would I want him to? NO.
Still waiting for your opinion.

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I think personal responsibility has to come in at some point ~ if you take drugs and can't hold a job because you are always addled, then would we still say, "It's a disability, who cares how it came about?" I actually am insulted with such a comparison to peanut allergy. My daughter didn't give herself or cause her own PA. Behaviorally based disabilities are differnt. This doesn't mean I have no compassion for them, by the way. (Going to go duck now... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] )

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Very timely article I just found.
Youth obesity blamed for rise in disability
Study: Rates up sharply in last two decadesThe Associated Press
Updated: 1:12 p.m. ET Jan. 08, 2004WASHINGTON - Disability rates rose sharply in the last two decades among those under 60, and obesity appears to be the main reason, according to a study released Thursday.
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The Rand Corp. study

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Quote:Originally posted by Sandra Y:
[b]Why would the cause of the medical condition even be a consideration when deciding whether a person is disabled. Who cares what caused it? [/b]
Yabbut, what about when there is NO medical condition present? And by medical, I mean physical problem with the body.
Let me open another can of worms here by bringing in the whole psychological conditions that may be attributable to unhealthy lifestyle (low self-esteem, addictive nature,...). Hey! Addiction! I like the comparisons made with drug-use, how about smoking? Drinking and driving?
If I'm a smoker, does that mean I'm disabled becuase I can't walk up a flight of stairs, or can't eat my food properly cause my mouth has sores?
Shall we argue now that psychological conditions are medical conditions (I'm not saying they're not --now the one ducking for cover [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]). Definitions, definitions, definitions...

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StaceyK and Arachide,you dont have to duck from me, I agree completely [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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Quote:Originally posted by arachide:
[b] If I'm a smoker, does that mean I'm disabled becuase I can't walk up a flight of stairs, or can't eat my food properly cause my mouth has sores?
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In my opinion, you would be a smoker by choice. You could choose to stop smoking with or without help. But perhaps you just like to smoke. It's still your decision.
A smoker given the title of disabled??? Heck no. Not in my opinion.

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The only thing that I can think of regarding obesity is if the person had some sort of thyroid issue that could not be controlled.
Then I would considered it a disability.

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I completely agree with Sandra Y. This has really struck a chord with me, too. While obesity and pa clearly are different in that the pa person has no control whatsoever over their affliction; I still think that obese people deserve all of the compassion we can offer. Yes, in some cases that includes accomodations.
I don't think anyone truly wants to be overweight. There are certainly psychological and even psychiatric issues involved for many morbidly obese people, I would think.
Each to his/her own, I guess. But I think I live in a glass house, too.
Miriam

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momma2boys,
Interesting article. Pretty much like the domino effect.
The problem I see is that these people are basically making poor decisions when it comes to food eating habits. Then issues just fall into place after that.
People just need to start taking responsibility for themselves and stop blaming others for their problems. For example, being able to eat at McDonalds because it's cheaper. Cheaper might be true in some instances but in the most part it's BS. Just like the man who tried to sue McD's because he was having health issues due to his obsesity from eating so much fast food!!! I mean c'mon!!

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I think that obesity is not a disability unless there really is medical condition like a thiroid problem, that is obviously uncontrollable. I keep thinking of the Simpsons episode where Homer gains weight so that he can work from home.
Andrea

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Quote:Originally posted by momma2boys:
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Still waiting for your opinion. [/b]
Already gave it. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] :
Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
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*Personally*? I live in a glass house. A fragile thing, but the view is wonderful. [/b]

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Quote:Originally posted by mattchrismom:
[b]I keep thinking of the Simpsons episode where Homer gains weight so that he can work from home.
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Does this share any similarities with how PA/Food Allergies are sometimes portrayed on T.V.? Asthma? "Quirky Kids"?(read an excellent article in the Chicago Sun-Times on "Quirky Kids" recently.)

Posted on: Fri, 01/09/2004 - 3:29am
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Quote:Originally posted by arachide:
[b] Shall we argue now that psychological conditions are medical conditions (I'm not saying they're not --now the one ducking for cover [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]). Definitions, definitions, definitions...
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[i]Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay?[/i] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
PS........Is this discussion beginning to resemble any trains of thought surrounding the [b]homeless[/b]? So many cans, so little time.
[i]Great.[/i] Now I've got the "Duck and Cover" song running amok in my head. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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Does feeling a person somehow "deserves" their "unfavorable" circumstances translate to a "lack of compassion/concern"?

Posted on: Fri, 01/09/2004 - 3:54am
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Quote:Originally posted by momma2boys:
[b]Very timely article I just found.
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VERY. [i]Thank you for finding it.[/i] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Fri, 01/09/2004 - 3:59am
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is "avoidance" and "education" and "preparedness" a form of "control" over one's condition? For example, PA?

Posted on: Fri, 01/09/2004 - 4:02am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]Does feeling a person somehow "deserves" their "unfavorable" circumstances translate to a "lack of compassion/concern"?[/b]
I don't feel any good person deserves hardship. I do not lack compassion/concern for the obese (my father and my cousin are obese). It breaks my heart to see my dad huffing and puffing to simply get in and out of his car, for example, but the pies/ice cream/cakes he eats every night are his doing...
I strongly believe that the lack of personal accountability in our society is a serious problem.

Posted on: Fri, 01/09/2004 - 4:13am
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Quote:Originally posted by mattchrismom:
[b] I keep thinking of the Simpsons episode where Homer gains weight so that he can work from home.
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Hmmmmm, beeeerrrrrr...........

Posted on: Fri, 01/09/2004 - 4:23am
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Gotta say I agree mostly with Sandra Y's post regarding obesity. Obesity can be a disability if it prevents you from doing things that most people can do.
I didn't answer this post yesterday as I have been sick w/bronchitis and didn't have the energy to think too much. I do know that something struck me...and after reading some of Mommabear's posts I think it is this:
The argument of "they should just eat less and excercise more" etc...sounds a little similar to "if your child is allergic to peanuts just keep them away from the peanut products" (ie, as no other accomodations need to me made.)
Kelly

Posted on: Fri, 01/09/2004 - 5:27am
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Quote:Originally posted by mattchrismom:
[b]I keep thinking of the Simpsons episode where Homer gains weight so that he can work from home.[/b]
That episode keeps popping into my head too. To paraphrase
[i]where's my "Tab"?
press any key
there is no anykey!
where's the anykey?!
who'd believe that Dad's butt actually prevented the release of toxic fumes[/i]
hehe
hmmm. now I'm going to have Simpsons episodes running through my head all day [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by erik (edited January 09, 2004).]

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Quote:Originally posted by kelly01:
[b]The argument of "they should just eat less and excercise more" etc...sounds a little similar to "if your child is allergic to peanuts just keep them away from the peanut products" (ie, as no other accomodations need to me made.)
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I don't knoew if that's comparable since there's no way to keep pa kids away from peanut products without a cooperative effort.
What accomodations could be requested for those who refuse to eat better and exercise?
Makes me think of the original question MB posed. What "reasonable accomodations" could be made if all obseity was defined as a disability?
Definitions again! What are we talking about when we say "accomodations"? ***I*** interpret it as meaning that I would have to alter something I usually do without thought in order to make an environment safer/easier/accessible to someone else who would otherwise be endangered/hampered/restricted from that environment if I didn't alter whatever it was.
Whew, that was a mouthful!
What would the person, disabled by obesity, require of me to change in order to accomodate them?

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