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Posted on: Fri, 05/28/1999 - 2:46pm
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Does anyone actually know what nutmeg is? I have done a search on this sight and others, and have not found a great deal of info. I have read that some people strictly avoid it and that others have no problem with it. I would appreciate any info you can give.

Thankx
Donna

Posted on: Mon, 06/12/2000 - 12:26am
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Bob, My boys have had nutmeg many times and have been fine..but I am sure this is an individual thing...will be interested to read about it though.

Posted on: Mon, 06/12/2000 - 6:27am
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I recently ordered a FAN flashback on Tree Nuts. In the very front they list different types of nuts including less common nuts. The last thing listed is Nutmeg & Mace. That is all I know.

Posted on: Mon, 06/12/2000 - 6:35am
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I also have the FAN flashback on tree nuts. The nutmeg and mace fall under the category as being mistaken for nuts. They generally do not need to be avoided.
Nutmeg and Mace both are obtained from the tropical tree species Myristica fragans. The seed of this tree is the source of the nutmeg. Mace is the ground outer coating of the seed called aril.
Water chestnuts are also commonly mistaken as nuts. It is actually an edible portion of a plant root known as a crom.

Posted on: Mon, 06/12/2000 - 9:13am
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Thank you for clearing that up! I must have somehow missed that part where it says that they are mistaken for tree nuts. I got my book out and sure enough you are right!

Posted on: Sat, 09/28/2002 - 11:04am
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And here is the true explanation!
i remembered this having come up before...sorry for raising 2 threads.
deb

Posted on: Sun, 09/29/2002 - 1:22am
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My son is allergic to peanuts/nuts, eggs, turkey, chicken and kiwi. He had a small reaction after eating pumpkin bread one day. I wonder if it was the nutmeg or maybe the cinnamon.

Posted on: Mon, 12/16/2002 - 3:15am
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Raising again

Posted on: Fri, 05/28/1999 - 9:42pm
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Donna,
The following link will give you a good definition/description of what nutmeg is:
[url="http://www.culinarycloset.com/nutmeg.html"]http://www.culinarycloset.com/nutmeg.html[/url]
Mark

Posted on: Sun, 05/30/1999 - 10:56am
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At the FAN conference someone asked about nutmeg and coconut and Dr. Sampson said peanut/nut allergic people did not have to avoid these (unless of course you specifically have an allergies to these). He said Coconut is actually a fruit and not a nut.

Posted on: Tue, 06/01/1999 - 5:41am
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Thank you for answering my question, I love having this board to turn to when I have one of those questions I just can't seem to get an answer to. Thankx again Donna

Posted on: Thu, 06/10/1999 - 2:53pm
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What about Vanilla bean? I've often wondered about whether it would bother my peanut-allergic daughter.

Posted on: Thu, 06/10/1999 - 3:17pm
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Vanilla is in the Orchid Family. There is a list of food families at [url="http://www.cadvision.com/allergy/botanical.htm"]http://www.cadvision.com/allergy/botanical.htm[/url]
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Posted on: Mon, 09/15/2003 - 8:05am
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raised as a question was posed regarding nutmeg
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Posted on: Mon, 09/15/2003 - 8:10am
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From AllAllergy.Net's allergen database--the database is a wonderful resource
Nutmeg is the kernel of the fruit also producing Mace (Rf266). It is used as a flavoring in all sorts of breads, baked goods, frostings, toppings, cordials, eggnog, in prepared mustard, ethnic dishes, fruits and fruit-based drinks, in meat dishes, headcheese, liver sausage, minced ham and bologna. Oil of nutmeg is used as a flavor and is toxic in large quantities.
Clinical experience
IgE antibodies to nutmeg have been measured (16,25). In a later study of celery and pollen-allergic patients, half of the patients had IgE antibodies to nutmeg (16). See also Mace (Rf266).

Posted on: Sat, 11/20/2004 - 11:57am
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Just re-raising due to time of year & use of nutmeg. So many new members!
Many "nutmeg" threads just in the Main Discussion Board -- so, if you're new & unsure -- please just enter "nutmeg" into board search & read on.
EB

Posted on: Sat, 11/20/2004 - 12:09pm
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ajas_folks, I just had to check out the thread because I thought, Chrikey, not nutmeg again, but then understand that yes, it is that time of year and if you've never dealt with the question before.....
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Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2005 - 10:17pm
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reraising......
Try a little nutmeg in your mashed potatoes.
I got the tip from the Executive chef from the Marriott Hotel where I used to work.
Deeliciousss!!

Posted on: Tue, 11/01/2005 - 2:05am
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Allspice safe too? I remember somewhere thinking it was, but for some reason I am hesitant once again? Its great in apple cider I make at Christmas time. Thanks
Andrea

Posted on: Thu, 11/03/2005 - 1:19am
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My Pa son has no problem with nutmeg, allspice or vanilla. As far as I know they are not in the nut or legume family at all. ( I could be wrong)
Other Baking news.. I just called Mc Cormick . the spice company.. about their Imitation almond extract. They told me no nuts AT ALL were used in the Imitation almond extract and that even in the pure Almond extract there were no nuts. I'm not sure how that is possible but that's what they said.
I'm not trusting the pure stuff even though the woman I talked to told me they don't use ANY real nut products on their lines due to cross contamination and allergies.
She sounded very aware and educated on the matter but I'm still not sure.
Any body else use extracts and wonder about this?

Posted on: Thu, 11/03/2005 - 2:25am
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Yup, it's true. McCormick doesn't use any nuts in its factory. Pure Almond Extract is actually made from peach pits. Awesome for us. A bummer, I guess, if you are not allergic to nuts!

Posted on: Thu, 11/03/2005 - 5:35am
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I'm not sure if this is the same as "natural almond flavoring", but almond extract is usually made from bitter almonds which are in the same botanical family as almonds (and also apricots, peaches, plums, cherries, nectarines, etc.) Almond extract can also be made from the kernels inside apricot pits--this substance is chemically identical to extract made from bitter almond kernels.
Bitter almonds and the inner pits of stone fruits correspond to the nut in the fruit of the almond tree. However, most of them contain prussic acid (cyanide) and are not edible unless highly processed.
I think that people who are allergic to almonds would be prudent to avoid bitter almond oil, which is used to make almond extract. It is probably ok since it is refined (like refined peanut oil for the peanut allergic) but who really wants to risk it?
Cathy
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Posted on: Tue, 09/04/2001 - 7:40am
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Nutmeg should be OK. A peanut is technically a legume - not a nut - however my daughter is TA as well as PA and I know that nutmeg is not a tree nut either.
Of course, talk to your allergist if you have real concerns or see signs of a reaction.

Posted on: Tue, 09/04/2001 - 12:59pm
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I keep my PA son away from all nut products and kept him away from nutmeg as well. In the last issue of the FAN newsletter, they listed a recipe which used nutmeg as being safe for Pa and I believe (I say "believe" because I do not have the newsletter in front of me, and may be wrong) safe for Nut allergy. Please check for yourself. I do let my son eat stuff with nutmeg in it now.

Posted on: Wed, 09/05/2001 - 5:54am
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Nutmeg is not a nut, its a spice made from the kernel of a seed of a type of evergreen tree (mace is another spice made from a different part of this seed)

Posted on: Sat, 09/28/2002 - 9:33am
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From what I have heard, nutmeg is not a nut.

Posted on: Sat, 09/28/2002 - 9:42am
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You know I had this same question last year as I was making Christmas cookies. So, I called up an adult I know that has peanut and tree nut allergies and he told me that he can eat nutmeg just fine.
I did let my son have a cookie and he was fine....although not a big nutmeg fan.
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Posted on: Sat, 09/28/2002 - 11:06am
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Hi there
I remembered this question from before, so did a search on the site and found the answer - rilira was able to tell us what nutmeg was. I have raised the thread on the Main Discussion Board.
deb

Posted on: Tue, 10/01/2002 - 2:02pm
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Straight from the Food Allergy and Anaphylaxis Network.....
Nutmeg is obtained from the seeds of the tropical tree species Myristica fragrans. It is safe for an individual with a tree nut allergy.

Posted on: Wed, 11/22/2006 - 10:33am
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[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutmeg"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutmeg[/url]
Nutmeg is a seed of a fruit of an evergreen.
Read down by 'risks and toxicity' --- learn something new everyday!
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Posted on: Wed, 11/22/2006 - 10:34am
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I think it's a thin skin that dries around an actual nutshell. The skin is grated off and used as the spice. My understanding is that it isn't the nut part and should be safe. But we're not allergic to nuts yet.

Posted on: Wed, 11/22/2006 - 10:40am
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I know when my son was diagnosed with PA the allergist told me nutmeg was o.k. Now my son is allergic to seeds (sesame, poppy, sunflower) I don't know if you need to avoid for seed allergy.

Posted on: Wed, 11/22/2006 - 10:47am
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Wow Adrienne! That was out there. Who would think that a spice used in our foods could do all that. Makes you wonder why it was and how it ever started to be put in foods! CRAZY! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. The more I read on here, the more checking I do with everything I'm using. I have to say, we have been extremely lucky to have never had a reaction due to cross contamination before my eyes were opened! Thanks, Have a Great Thanksgiving!

Posted on: Wed, 11/22/2006 - 1:57pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Edinview:
[b]I think it's a thin skin that dries around an actual nutshell. The skin is grated off and used as the spice. My understanding is that it isn't the nut part and should be safe. But we're not allergic to nuts yet.[/b]
Actually the thin skin around the nutmeg is called Mace and is a little milder tasting than nutmeg. The actual nutmeg looks like a pit, sort of, and it is solid all the way through. We use whole nutmeg and grate it as we need it-it loses flavor quickly after being grated. My dd has never had a problem with it. BTW I learned all that from the Penzey's catalog. lol. I've been using whole nutmeg since before my 10 yo was born.
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Posted on: Wed, 11/22/2006 - 10:33am
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[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutmeg"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutmeg[/url]
Nutmeg is a seed of a fruit of an evergreen.
Read down by 'risks and toxicity' --- learn something new everyday!
yipes!
Adrienne
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Posted on: Wed, 11/22/2006 - 10:34am
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I think it's a thin skin that dries around an actual nutshell. The skin is grated off and used as the spice. My understanding is that it isn't the nut part and should be safe. But we're not allergic to nuts yet.

Posted on: Wed, 11/22/2006 - 10:40am
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I know when my son was diagnosed with PA the allergist told me nutmeg was o.k. Now my son is allergic to seeds (sesame, poppy, sunflower) I don't know if you need to avoid for seed allergy.

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Wow Adrienne! That was out there. Who would think that a spice used in our foods could do all that. Makes you wonder why it was and how it ever started to be put in foods! CRAZY! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Thanks for the info. I appreciate it. The more I read on here, the more checking I do with everything I'm using. I have to say, we have been extremely lucky to have never had a reaction due to cross contamination before my eyes were opened! Thanks, Have a Great Thanksgiving!

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Quote:Originally posted by Edinview:
[b]I think it's a thin skin that dries around an actual nutshell. The skin is grated off and used as the spice. My understanding is that it isn't the nut part and should be safe. But we're not allergic to nuts yet.[/b]
Actually the thin skin around the nutmeg is called Mace and is a little milder tasting than nutmeg. The actual nutmeg looks like a pit, sort of, and it is solid all the way through. We use whole nutmeg and grate it as we need it-it loses flavor quickly after being grated. My dd has never had a problem with it. BTW I learned all that from the Penzey's catalog. lol. I've been using whole nutmeg since before my 10 yo was born.
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Posted on: Thu, 09/06/2007 - 12:03am
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Nutmeg is ok, it is not a nut. We use is all the time and our son is PA/TNA. If you do a search on this site you will find a couple of topics regarding Nutmeg.
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Posted on: Thu, 09/06/2007 - 12:34am
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We thought the same thing, that nutmeg was a spice, and therfore OK. I followed a recipe for apple sauce from my DS teacher, and only used 1/2 tsp in the whole batch.
My son broke out in hives immediately!!!
I called the allergist to inquire about nutmeg, and he said it is absolutely a nut product!!! I promptly threw out any spices containing nutmeg.
Marcy

Posted on: Thu, 09/06/2007 - 12:41am
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Sorry but your allergist is wrong. Nutmeg is the seed of a fruit. Read here [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutmeg"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutmeg[/url]
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Posted on: Thu, 09/06/2007 - 12:42am
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My son is PA/TNA and allergic to seeds and has been fine with nutmeg. We use McCormick.
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Also, on FAANs website [url="http://www.foodallergy.org/allergens/treenut.html"]http://www.foodallergy.org/allergens/treenut.html[/url]
Is nutmeg safe?
Nutmeg is obtained from the seeds of the tropical tree species Myristica fragrans. It is safe for an individual with a tree nut allergy.
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Posted on: Thu, 09/06/2007 - 3:55am
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Nutmeg is not a nut. However I once met someone who is anaphylactic to nutmeg.
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Posted on: Thu, 09/06/2007 - 4:32am
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Quote:Originally posted by MDGCPA:
[b]We thought the same thing, that nutmeg was a spice, and therfore OK. I followed a recipe for apple sauce from my DS teacher, and only used 1/2 tsp in the whole batch.
My son broke out in hives immediately!!!
I called the allergist to inquire about nutmeg, and he said it is absolutely a nut product!!! I promptly threw out any spices containing nutmeg.
Marcy[/b]
Your son may be allergic to tropical fruits and/or seeds from the fruits. I am pa/tna/wheat all /soy all/rice all. But I do get reactions from melons, some tropical fruits, and seeds from all fruits. They never tested me for raw fruits and vegetables but I do have reactions from them.

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Quote:Originally posted by mumaluke:
[b]Sorry but your allergist is wrong. Nutmeg is the seed of a fruit. Read here [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutmeg"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutmeg[/url]
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I would look elsewhere for documented information than wikipedia. It has been found that there are many errors in it. This information sounds right though and I found the same info on another web site.
Did you know it is chemically similiar to ecstasy?
[url="http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-nutmeg.htm"]http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-nutmeg.htm[/url]
[url="http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_114b.html"]http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_114b.html[/url]
from about.com
"The nutmeg tree is evergreen, with oblong egg-shaped leaves and small, bell-like light yellow flowers that give off a distinct aroma when in bloom. The fruit is light yellow with red and green markings, resembling an apricot or a large plum. As the fruit matures, the outer fleshy covering (which is candied or pickled as snacks in Malaysia) bursts to reveal the seed. The seed is covered with red membranes called an aril, the mace portion of the nutmeg. The nut is then dried for up to two months until the inner nut rattles inside the shell. It is then shelled to reveal the valuable egg-shaped nutmeat which is the edible nutmeg. Second-rate nuts are pressed for the oil, which is used in perfumes and in the food industry."
If it looks like a nut, reacts like nut, maybe it is a nut. And aren't nuts really just seeds anyway...in natural environments aren't the nuts used as a reproductive measure, just like seeds are.

Posted on: Thu, 09/06/2007 - 9:29am
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yea look at the FAAN site, they say it is not a nut and anyone with TN can eat it.
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