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Posted on: Tue, 02/04/2003 - 12:43am
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KarenH., I would definitely check your Ministry of Education Act and see if you can find a similar clause like the one I outlined in the Ontario one. This just ticks me off totally [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img] as most school stuff seems to nowadays.
I do know that when I lived in Stayner, there was a family who "pleaded poverty" when it came to their three children taking the winter activities (that's the one where Jesse was told he couldn't go to computer class and I signed him up for ceramics at $45.00 instead) and they were able to get their children into whatever activities they wanted for free.
The thing that bothered me about this particular case was that they weren't really people in need. I knew because she was my best friend and knew what her financial status was, especially compared to myself, a single Mom at the time, and other parents in the community.
I felt that that was taking advantage of the situation with the "I've got three kids" thing that I so often hear.
However, in reality, she didn't have to plead poverty at all but simply know the Ministry of Education Act.
I seriously don't know what is wrong with that teacher. I know that Jesse's hopes were VERY high about a simple bowling trip. Can you imagine how excited, especially young children would get about an overnight thing?
And I also believe that fundraising should have been put into place the day he opened his mouth to get money raised for the trip.
Are you able to speak with the teacher?
Someone mentioned a really good point in one of the posts not too far from this one - PA parent involvement in the pre-planning of a trip. I would think that teachers would welcome it because then they wouldn't have to do the leg-work themselves. But, to be quite honest, out of all of the field trips that Jesse has gone on (and now, when I think about it, in JK and SK when he was so wee and without me), I have never been asked about the trip in advance. We kinda just get told where the children are going.
We had "work to rule" here in our school district which meant that school trips were cancelled while the teachers were doing it.
I also notice that Jesse's teacher seems to schedule all of her field trips on Wednesdays which is a day that I can't go because I have Ember home. I'm sure that she doesn't even think about that and that is certainly fine, I just wish that she did or could schedule them on a Tuesday or Thursday so I wouldn't have so much difficulty with them as far as the parent designated supervisor thing.
So far we have only had one field trip, aside from skating, and that was to Glanmore House (I should get the website link so everyone can check it out [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] ) and I really wanted to go to that. I was fortunate because I had a friend that could watch Ember that morning.
Now, she just moved and I don't have anyone to watch Ember. I think what I'll have to do, in the future, with any trips is simply say that I'm bringing Ember with me regardless.
KarenH., I'm as angry as you are and it's not even happening to my family. I just don't think it was right or fair and the teacher should somehow be told that.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Tue, 02/04/2003 - 5:54am
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Joined: 10/04/2001 - 09:00

Karen H.,
I hear you about hitting a rough spot this year - since this past spring it's been mostly one long rough spot with a few breaks here and there, but not enough! A common affliction these days.
As for the teacher telling them without first conferring with the parents - I must have missed that the first time around. Now I'm even more incredulous. Just curious - how many parents seem to be OK with this? It just seems beyond the beyond to me.

Posted on: Tue, 02/04/2003 - 3:21pm
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Joined: 09/21/2002 - 09:00

Well, the teacher has called a "very important Parent meeting" for this week. But again, he's using the kids to pressure the parents to go. DS came home saying that every parent must attend, and if one doesn't, the trip doesn't happen (made me want to miss it out of sheer spite). Then he brought home this long handwritten letter (by DS) that I had to sign and date that I'd read, with information about the meeting (date and time). DS gets points if he brings it back, which means he'll pressure you more because he's excited and wants you to go. Doesn't matter that I already had a meeting Monday, I have another tomorrow, and another after school Thursday. I plan to go and tell the teacher how disappointed I am in the way he went about doing this, why, and that my son will not be going regardless. From what DH has heard in the hallways, not very many parents are happy about it. Now, while I'd like to take DS, it's not even the cost of the trip but the wages I lose by going as well that I can't afford. I know that the school would never cover that. This "rough spot" has been going on for the last year...DH has been laid off since last Feb, we've had to put our house up for sale and prepare to move where ever there is work. So far we've had just enough. But only "just", no extras. I really believe it's totally unfair to raise my child's hopes in that way.

Posted on: Tue, 02/04/2003 - 11:43pm
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Yes, Karen H., it was wrong for your child's hopes to have been raised. I think you should be able to tell the teacher that somehow without going into your financial status (none of his business about your rough patch). It could be something as simple as you can't miss time from work. I'm still kinda shaking my head about this one. What right minded person would think that he had a classroom full of children, so probably at least 20, who would have one parent available to go overnight with them on a trip and be able to miss time from work? I truly don't understand.
I'm a SAHM, so I'm very fortunate (not financially, I just mean fortunate that I am a SAHM), but from what I understand, parents working outside of the home miss enough time from work due to children's illnesses, etc. Add a field trip onto that as well? And yes, your lost wages.
What was the man thinking? And again, with children that young especially, they're going to get really excited about an overnight trip. Look how excited Jesse was about the bowling trip and it was only a bowling trip, no overnighter somewhere.
I would be absolutely livid and I would certainly voice my concerns to someone, if not the teacher than the principal or superintendent.
How many parents, realistically, out of the children in his class, are able to attend with their child?
I know I would be hard pressed to, even as a SAHM, because I have another child at home.
What if you're a single parent?
I don't know. As you can see, the whole bloody thing just boggles my mind and infuriates me. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img]
I hope your son is taking it okay. It's so difficult for them to understand things sometimes and on the one hand, you don't want to go into financial things, but on the other, sometimes you just have to. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
Please let us know how it turns out, Karen.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Tue, 02/04/2003 - 11:55pm
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Joined: 07/15/1999 - 09:00

I'd be very suspicious of a teacher who wanted to take grade 1 and 2 children off on an overnight trip that badly. I don't know---it just doesn't sound right to me.

Posted on: Wed, 02/05/2003 - 1:27am
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Joined: 09/01/2006 - 09:00

just wanted to add...even though i am a stay at home mom and could take my child, and could come up with the funds if necessary, and could make arrangements to be there for my PA child, etc... i would NOT attend. this is weird. small children don't need overnight trips. plus, i wouldn't go just to show my support for all the disappointed kids/parents who can't make arrangements to take off work or who cannot afford to go on the trip. i don't think i'd be happy about this trip even if the children were older. it's not necessary and puts too many people in an awkward position. joey

Posted on: Wed, 02/05/2003 - 1:59am
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Joined: 03/15/1999 - 09:00

Hi Karen
Do you have any impression of what the other parents from the class are saying? Surely you are not the only one who thinks the kids are too young. There are probably even some who still have bladder trouble at night - imagine having to be on a trip with your classmates and having a nighttime "accident"?
Could you try to sound out some of the other parents to see what they are thinking about this whole thing? I personally would make sure I attend the parent's meeting just to see what their perspective is as well.
what is the purpose of the trip? Is it for a specific event? Does it in any way relate to the school curriculum? Has it been approved by the School Board. You may want to point out that in Calgary, for example, all field trips must be approved by the Board to ensure the safety of the students.
Ask him some concrete questions. What are his plans for medical emergencies? What about insurance? Will the Board insurance cover any medical emergencies that may occur? I would call the School Board and ask them that question too. Point out the news articles about children who have died on field trips - there was a bus accident last year (I forget where) the children who died from Calgary last week, etc. Make sure you give him some articles on the death of Nathan who died on a school field trip. I remember an article on the calgary allergy site which states that most deaths occur during activiites that are outside the norm - such as field trips.
I will see if I can find a link to this article for you.
take care

Posted on: Sat, 02/08/2003 - 2:07pm
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Joined: 09/21/2002 - 09:00

Well, I went to the meeting. The trip is well thought out, well planned, very educational, and very fun. The teacher plans to use the trip to tie in with classroom themes, and to tie in mapping, etc. It IS a good idea.
I did express my dismay (along with other parents) at the teacher telling the children first. His reponse? He usually doesn't tell the kids, but has been getting a very poor response, so he thought he'd try it a different way.
The other parents are all for it, depending on if they can get the time off to go. It will go to a vote for the class, and then they will decide whether or not it's a go by the end of the month. I sat there sort of stunned, and realized that my child will NOT be the only one not going because we can't afford it. I will just have to find a way. Have a garage sale, babysit, go without the ONE extra I allow myself, even my son will forgo hot lunches. They will fundraise to cover the cost of the students going, but I don't feel comfortable letting him go alone. So that means I have to come up with the wages I'll likely lose by not working those two days, plus money to cover the cost of ME going. (about $250) I have until May.
In some respects, I can see how excited the teacher is about it, and I do appreciate the work and thought he's put into this. It really is an amazing way to teach, and I'm sure my son will totally love it.
On the other hand, as a parent I do resent something he said to me as I went out the door..."Parents aren't letting me teach!" he says "I've tried to do this three years in a row, and haven't been able to!"
It's not that I'm trying to not let him teach the way he wants...but in these times of lay offs and uncertainty in our town, it would be better for everyone if he found another way to teach the kids that is less expensive for the parents. It's fine for him to say we're "not letting him teach"-HE has a cushy job, nice house, two cars, wife working too. If you ask me, he's a tad full of himself.

Posted on: Sat, 02/08/2003 - 3:40pm
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Karen H., please let us know how the trip works out. I know exactly what you mean about you not wanting your son to be the only child that is not going because you can't afford it. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img] It's truly amazing what we do do as parents though so that our children don't feel different or don't know that we're having financial difficulties. And also, because, as you said, it is going to be a educationally beneficial trip you wouldn't want him to miss.
Please let us know how the trip turns out. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Mon, 02/10/2003 - 2:50am
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Joined: 04/17/2000 - 09:00

I usually just lurk on this site. But Karen's Teacher really has be upset. We're still talking about a Grade 1/2 class, taking an overnight trip. I can't believe the school board would allow this. Can this teacher not see why he hasn't been successful the last 3 years. There would have to be other ways for him to tie his teaching together. To me the bottom line is these are 6 to 8 year olds who just aren't ready for this type of trip.



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