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Posted on: Sun, 02/02/2003 - 4:20am
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Another way to interpret "School Readiness"
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Posted on: Sun, 02/02/2003 - 5:42am
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Good information Momma Bear!
Paragraph 4, last sentence...this opens the opportunity for parents of food allergic children to communicate their "comfort zone" whether it be written or communicated verbally. On my written emergency plan for school administrators regarding field trips, double checking ingredients, etc I simply write "contact Mom"(for any reason especially about my comfort zone & that of my daughter's).
As my daughter & I have traveled on this two-way street, she has not had a reaction in the 4 years she has attended public school.
My format:
1.) I look for a Birthday poster of every child or ask the teacher for a list. This allows me to know that the potential exists that a parent may send in treats around the birthday. I call all parents prior.
2.) I ask the teacher about proposed field trips for the school year. I gather all information prior to any field trip to base my decision on my own comfort zone; whether to volunteer to go or not. Prior knowledge of the field trip also allows me to make necessary arrangements.
3.) I try to keep communication open with the teacher & the classroom mom. I do this also for my son who is not PA.
These suggestions work for me, my PA daughter, & the school officials. They may or may not work for others.

Posted on: Sun, 02/02/2003 - 12:11pm
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Great information Mommabear, whether your child is PA or not (mine isn't).
I live in BC. From what I know, the school is not obligated to pay.
Besides-even if he could go without me going to, I'm not comfortable with him riding in a stranger's car on our highway, and staying in a gym (again with parents that I've never met). Not at this age, anyway.

Posted on: Sun, 02/02/2003 - 12:25pm
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Karen, I think in BC the school is required to pay for students that cannot pay. I remember a case a few years ago a mom sued a school board, and they have to include all students.
But I totally agree with you this is not age appropriate. I'd be really mad at the teacher. Have you spoken with any other parents in the clas?

Posted on: Sun, 02/02/2003 - 1:44pm
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KarenH., can you find B.C.'s Ministry of Education Act on-line anywhere and sift through it? I was just going through my "legal advice" file tonight, a lot of it to do with PA, to look for something for another PA.com member and I did find the information I received from my lawyer about parents in Ontario not having to pay for field trips or even school supplies for their children. This does not simply pertain to those who cannot afford it. He is a lawyer and simply based on principal, and I guess his hate of the education system, he did not pay for all of the years that both of his children were in school, his younger child now finishing her last year of high school.
I understand that schools are cash strapped.
Because I feel I have the PA issue to deal with and sometimes *fight* (if you will) for, I didn't want to get into a big thing with the school about how I don't have to pay, as per the Ministry of Education Act, for school supplies or field trips. It seemed like I would be too much of a thorn in their sides if I was raising two contentious things with them. Do you know what I mean?
I'll see if I can find that e-mail and also see if any parts of it can be transposed here that might be helpful in what you have to look up in the Ministry of Education Act in B.C.
What I've noticed in the schools that my children have attended, if there is a *big*, as your field trip would be, trip being planned, there is additional fundraising done. We're all told that say the Grade 8's are going to Toronto to the ROM and they're raising money by doing this or that.
Last year at Jesse's school, I forget where the big field trip was to, but they raised their money by selling Chapman's ice cream sandwiches. Of course, I knew about that because I had to find the safe ice cream sandwich for them to sell.
I think all of us recognize that schools are having a really difficult time and do pay for field trips and school supplies without saying a thing. Then, when you think that Jesse's teacher makes $70,000.00 a year, I don't know..... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
I'm sorry, I still haven't responded to everyone else that posted after my last post re the field trip, but you know me and my need to answer *properly* - I will. We had a sick household here all week-end and I'm actually not looking forward to tomorrow morning (where are the dam* socks?)
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Sun, 02/02/2003 - 1:55pm
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This may come out as babble because my lawyer was referring to specific questions I had asked him about a cooking class Ember was to take in our old town in JK. However, parts of it may be helpful. I also had to edit out personal comments, as he is a friend [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Hello! Where do I go to find the information for the Ministry of Education
Act period and then specifically the part about where parents don't have to pay
extra for anything offered their children?
>
>If you want an actual copy of the Education Act you'll have to buy it from
Publications Ontario, 880 Bay street, Toronto M7A 1N8 1-800-668-9938. It's a
large document that despite your obvious intelligence and I'm not being
condescending, I think you would have great difficulty reading or even finding
the appropriate sections. It's all a legaleaze that would be extremely foreign
to you and probably more confusing than anything else.
>
>The Section of the Act and direct quote as follows should arm you with
everything you need to tackle the issue of fees. Ontario

Posted on: Mon, 02/03/2003 - 12:30am
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Karen H. -
Now I realize that I've been up half the night with a sick child, and I'm probably not too "with it" this morning, but this is the second post I've had to re-read two or three times because I was certain I had misread it. Let me get this straight - did I actually read "overnight trip for grades 1/2"? Because I thought I was hallucinating, and maybe it said "grade 12". Beyond age-inappropriate and downright dangerous.
Have you or any other parents voiced your concerns with the school district? Fairness of payment policy aside (a whole other rant, IMHO), I can't imagine too many parents would be pleased with this idea. Maybe I'm naive?
Boy, I was bent out of shape last year when my sixth grader had a day trip at the end of the year to Medieval Times - to the tune of $50. Our district does have a policy that if you can't pay, they pay for you. It is totally confidential.
Amy

Posted on: Mon, 02/03/2003 - 12:35am
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Amy,
The school district you live in is tops. If my memory serves me correctly [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
MommaBear

Posted on: Mon, 02/03/2003 - 2:50am
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Yes Momma Bear, it really is! Sometimes I have to pinch myself; it is sooo different from the district I attended growing up!
Amy
[This message has been edited by Going Nuts (edited February 03, 2003).]

Posted on: Mon, 02/03/2003 - 3:13pm
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Yes, you saw right GoingNuts. The class is a grade one and two split. I would not be against it had the teacher talked to the parents first to gauge our reaction.
He told the kids about it without talking to the parents first, raising their hopes and having them pressure us. THAT is what made me angry.
We are not a low income family, we've just hit a rough spot over the last year. Many people in our town are in the same position. It's not fair to children that age to raise their hopes, and then blame it on the parents if it doesn't work out. Especially when it really puts the parents in a difficult position of choosing between groceries or a field trip.
[This message has been edited by KarenH (edited February 04, 2003).]

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