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Posted on: Mon, 04/08/2002 - 1:42am
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My question is (along with some other people): Who determines, or what criteria determines "cross-contamination" at Nabisco?
They admit that they don't use dedicated lines, so to me that means they should label everything "may contain" or "made on shared lines" etc. - but maybe they think their cleaning practices are "good enough" so they don't label.
Do *I* think that's "good enough"? Not really, but we have used Nabisco products with no problem so far - thankfully. (That's not to say we will continue, though!!)
I guess I would like to know exactly what we're dealing with: shared or dedicated lines, made in, or may contain, or PERFECTLY SAFE! (That must be too much to ask.)
Take care,
Tammy

Posted on: Mon, 04/08/2002 - 2:51am
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Although other members are contacting Nabisco Canada as well, here is the e-mail that I just sent them at [url="http://www.nabisco.ca"]www.nabisco.ca[/url] I'll post a response when I get one:-
I have two
inquiries. I am the parent of a severely peanut allergic 6 year old.
We have recently heard that Nabisco U.S. is planning to make a peanut
butter Oreo cookie. I am wondering if this is a possibility also in
Canada? Also, recently, when shopping, I came across a package of
Peanut Butter Chips Ahoy cookies. In the past, I have always been
informed that there is a concrete barrier dividing your plant (on
Lakeshore Blvd. in Toronto) between the part of the plant that has
peanuts and the part that doesn't. Is this still true? Does this mean
that the Peanut Butter Chips Ahoy are manufacturered in a totally
SEPARATE part of your plant? Or, if not, are they run on dedicated
lines? Is there a potential for cross-contamination with regular Chips
Ahoy cookies? As you may be aware, Mr. Christie's are the only "safe"
cookie for PA individuals to consume and we hope that you will continue
to be so (I know that some of Peek Frean cookies are "safe"). I would
really appreciate your response as we are greatly concerned about both
products.
Also, I do have to say that the labeling for the Peanut Butter Chips
Ahoy is not as *good* as it could be. If you were a *normal* shopper,
which unfortunately you can't be when you have a child with a food
allergy, you would easily grab one of the Peanut Butter Chips Ahoy bags
by mistake. The Peanut Butter part isn't *out there* enough. Thank-you
for your time and consideration.
And, my apologies, as you can see, it also involved the *issue* of the pb Chips Ahoy cookies I just recently saw.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Mon, 04/08/2002 - 4:45am
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Here's the response I got to my email. Not very encouraging:
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Thanks for contacting our Web site!
If peanut is included in our product it will be listed in the
ingredient
line.
We are working on listing fod allergens in plain English terms.
Note that formulas may change and the best source of information is the
ingredient line.
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So they didn't say whether or not they'd be on dedicated lines. And what do they mean by "if peanut is included"--do they mean cross-contamination?

Posted on: Mon, 04/08/2002 - 6:00am
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I just spoke to Nabisco and the executive representative I spoke to said she had talked to the QA (quality assurance) manager responsible for Oreos and that at this time the peanut butter oreo will not be made on the same line as the regular oreo. According to her, Nabisco would label for cross-contamination if a product is made on the same production line as peanut containing products.

Posted on: Mon, 04/08/2002 - 7:17am
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I hope it's not made on the same line as the chocolate ones and the double stuff ones.

Posted on: Mon, 04/08/2002 - 8:47am
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Joanne, that is very interesting- here is what I got (which I will regard as being the "same story" as Colleen's mom and a few others... basically they decide arbitrarily what is "clean enough" and label nothing as "may contain")
"While we have some products which run on dedicated lines, most of our lines
are designed to be convertIble to other products with the appropriate
sanitation procedures to ensure a safe changeover
We take special precautions to thoroughly clean and sanitize all our
production lines between product changeovers
We build these cleaning procedures into our safety systems to make sure
there is no carryover from allergenic proteins, for example: when switching
from nut-containing products to one without nuts
We are confident in the sanitation procedures we have in place
Please add our site to your bookmarks, and visit us again soon!"
*They* may be confident in their sanitation procedures... not so sure that I am. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

Posted on: Mon, 04/08/2002 - 3:20pm
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Well, from the Nabisco responses so far, I'd have to say this was certainly a good company to TAKE ACTION with! Mind boggling! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/mad.gif[/img]
I'm still waiting for my responses from both Nabisco U.S. and in Canada.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Tue, 04/09/2002 - 6:06am
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E-mailed them today.
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Peanut/Nut-free wishes,
Victoria

Posted on: Tue, 04/09/2002 - 7:58am
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I think Nabisco Canada (Christie) has a concrete barrier between the nut and non-nut sections of their Lakeshore Road factory in Toronto.
However, I emailed Nabisco USA to find out if they have dedicated lines due to the concern about the new peanut butter OREOS. The reply was they do not have dedicated lines. Therefore, even if they do not make peanut butter OREOS, other peanut products could contiminate regular OREOS? I guess we need to know what "every reasonable precaution" actually means. Do they have the same definition of reasinable as we have. I think I will stick to the "made in Canada" cookies as they sound more safe.
Here is their reply to me:
"Thanks for visiting our web site. We appreciate your interest in our
Nabisco products.
Nabisco products are not routinely produced on dedicated lines, and our
production schedules are subject to change. If a product is produced on
shared equipment, every reasonable precaution is taken to avoid contact with
the eight major allergens recognized by the FDA--wheat, soy, peanuts, tree
nuts, milk, eggs, fish, and shellfish.
Should cross contact with a food allergen in our production environment be
unavoidable, appropriate labeling of the food allergen is implemented. When
appropriate, allergen labeling is used in addition to, and not in place of
good manufacturing practices.
Please add our site, [url="http://www.Nabiscoworld.com/,"]http://www.Nabiscoworld.com/,[/url] to your bookmarks and
visit us again soon!Sent: Friday,"

Posted on: Tue, 04/09/2002 - 9:13am
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Just sent my email. I took the $$$ approach with them.
I understand that Nabisco plans on producing a peanut butter filled Oreo.
Please, please do not manufacture peanut butter Oreos in the same plant as the original Oreos. If you do, you will potentially eliminate the sale of your product to millions of peanut allergic children who's parents, such as myself, will no longer purchase your product. The loss of sales will occur, no matter how well you 'sanitize' your lines in between batches. Because most parents of peanut allergic children will only purchase products produced in a 'peanut free' facility.
I know all decision in corporate America are usually based on the 'bottom line', please consider this issue before you make your final decision as to where this product will be manufactured.
Note: For the moment, Oreos are the only 'safe' prepackaged cookie that parents of peanut allergic can purchase.

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