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Posted on: Mon, 02/05/2007 - 7:04am
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Quote:Originally posted by NicoleinNH:
[b] No, Mommabear-If you read what I have written above, I was not saying Nathan Walters death was because the school was not peanut-free.
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Good. Because to me, there were so many things that were [b]"OMG!"[/b] on so many levels, it wouldn't be where I would start picking. It reminded me of "Grand Rounds" for food allergies.....

Posted on: Mon, 02/05/2007 - 7:05am
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Quote:Originally posted by NicoleinNH:
[b] I understand you wanting milk banned for your other child who has a more serious allergy.
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Good. I'm glad that's settled.

Posted on: Mon, 02/05/2007 - 7:09am
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Posted on: Mon, 02/05/2007 - 7:13am
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Sorry Nicole, I guess I was referring to Savannah not Carson...sorry about that. I usually refere to my kids as one person.... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
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Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma)
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Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig)
Savannah-1 (milk and egg)

Posted on: Mon, 02/05/2007 - 7:30am
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See, thinking about this is what led me to start that [i]other[/i] thread..... LOL!!
This is why:
DD's peanut allergy makes it EXTREMELY uncomfortable for her to even attend her 45 min strings class in a local elementary school classroom.... where theoretically, food is not consumed. There are PB sands served daily in the cafeteria down the hall. She occasionally has facial hives and on one occasion had some slight wheezing-- all of which vanished when she [i]left that d@mned building...[/i]
So for her to attend that school? They'd need to do a whole lot more for her than just wiping tables in their cafeteria. She is [i]terrified[/i] of the very notion of being [i]forced[/i] to [i]remain[/i] in that environment for many hours each school day. It is NOT about what we "think" we'd like.
The problem (for me) is that she is very nearly as sensitive to eggs. Including aerosol sensitivity.
So while I might be able to justify (to myself, anyway) asking for a peanut-free school for DD, I would not be comfortable asking for egg-free... though the reasons are just as compelling from a medical standpoint. It's just too much-- it's in too many things. (Kind of like milk.)
Anyway-- I [i]do[/i] think it would be totally reasonable to insist that she (and any other allergic child) have a totally FOOD-FREE classroom and handwashing procedures in place. For the same reasons that MB mentions.
So for us, what DD [i]needs[/i] is just not reasonable to ask for. (IMO) So she is educated at home. Luckily that is a solution for us. Don't know what I would do if it weren't.

Posted on: Mon, 02/05/2007 - 7:37am
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Quote:Originally posted by Corvallis Mom:
[b]So for us, what DD [i]needs[/i] is just not reasonable to ask for. (IMO) So she is educated at home. Luckily that is a solution for us. Don't know what I would do if it weren't.
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so, if a "peanut free" school is considered a legitimate request by some, then theoretically, you could request a "homebound" option? I mean, let's just theorize your ability to educate your child or not, by yourself, on your own terms doesn't affect their [i]responsibility[/i], right? A child has a [i]right[/i] to an education, yes? Just might not be where one thinks it will be...

Posted on: Mon, 02/05/2007 - 7:41am
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About Nathan Walter`s death, he died because all the kids on the field trip who were given a school lunch were given a peanut butter sandwich, trail mix, and a peanut butter cookie. He was given the same lunch by the school. He knew not to eat the pbj sandwich and the trail mix, but he thought the pb cookie was a sugar cookie, so he ate part of it. Are you saying this would have still happened in a peanut free school? I don`t see how. I am not saying I am for or against peanut free schools, just pointing out the obvious that Nathan would not have been given a lunch of pbj sanwich, trail mix, and a pb cookie in a peanut free school.

Posted on: Mon, 02/05/2007 - 7:54am
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Quote:Originally posted by Carefulmom:
[b]About Nathan Walter`s death, he died because all the kids on the field trip who were given a school lunch were given a peanut butter sandwich, trail mix, and a peanut butter cookie. He was given the same lunch by the school. He knew not to eat the pbj sandwich and the trail mix, but he thought the pb cookie was a sugar cookie, so he ate part of it. Are you saying this would have still happened in a peanut free school? I don`t see how. I am not saying I am for or against peanut free schools, just pointing out the obvious that Nathan would not have been given a lunch of pbj sanwich, trail mix, and a pb cookie in a peanut free school.[/b]
DISCLAIMER:
i could have read inaccurate accounts, there's a whole thread on it, right? Or at least a few posts?? But, from what I've read....
are you saying the lack of prompt medical treatment, the lack of executing an emergency plan, the time spent waiting, (didn't Nathan request an inhaler for his symptoms and it was administered?), lack of ingredient labels (I'm assuming since Nathan ate the peanut butter cookie, right?) FOR STARTERS..... wasn't grossly contributing??? I can't remember, was he even transported by ambulance?(!)
No advice, just happenstance and reality, I might be an AWFUL BAD MOMMY: My son has eaten in an entire lunch room FULL of forbidden items for him. Probably five day's a week. His allergy is a class six with a history of trace reactions (won't say aerosol, since I can't prove it---but he's had "mystery symptoms" regularly) and full blown anaphylaxis in [i]seconds[/i].....and he's alive. So don't try and sell me on "Peanut Free" schools. From what I've read, and it could be inaccurate, Nathan died from something he ATE, and possibly a failure to administer live saving measures in a timely fashion. Did all people involved even have advanced warning he was allergic? The reaction proceeded over HOURS, right? I'm [i]still[/i] REELING. [i]Are you??[/i]
Your question, at this point in the discussion, knocks me off my seat.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are a strong proponent of carrying epinephrine and rapid administration when necessary, right? (Or do I need new eyeglasses?) Tell me why, if you are.

Posted on: Mon, 02/05/2007 - 8:04am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] so, if a "peanut free" school is considered a legitimate request by some, then theoretically, you could request a "homebound" option? I mean, let's just theorize your ability to educate your child or not, by yourself, on your own terms doesn't affect their [i]responsibility[/i], right? A child has a [i]right[/i] to an education, yes? Just might not be where one thinks it will be...
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Yes. Absolutely. Which might not make me very [i]happy[/i] from an "inclusion" standpoint, but it might turn out to be the only viable solution anyway.
It's more or less what we've done voluntarily. Her teacher comes to her for standardized testing, even... it's in the 504. I guess that probably screams "homebound-option," doesn't it?

Posted on: Mon, 02/05/2007 - 8:07am
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Yes, all those factors did contribute. They did not give epi until 1 to 2 hours after the reaction started (depending on which article you read) and he was unconscious by the time they gave it. But what I was addressing was the issue of whether the reaction would have happened in a peanut free school. In a peanut free school I would have to assume that he would not have been served a lunch that was all peanut products. He never would have had the reaction. Once it did happen, they handled it very badly. But I would have to believe that in a peanut free school there would have been no reaction to handle on that field trip.

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