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Posted on: Fri, 02/02/2007 - 10:25pm
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I have heard of school districts volunteering to go peanut-free... Wow. Why not where I live?
I am curious to know if anyone was successful asking for a school to go peanut free... anyone out there??
For those who have asked but have not received PF schools... do you still have limits set for your child that you would disregard if the school went peanut-free?? (i.e.- playing on playgound equip., riding school bus for field trips, attending classes that include substitues, sitting with class for lunch rather than the segregated PF table across the cafeteria????)

Posted on: Fri, 02/02/2007 - 11:59pm
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we talk about this topic alot in the schools forum. Many of us have or are thinking about drafting up a 504 to protect our allergy children. I am in the process myself right now. A 504 is a legal document drafted up by the school(after qualifying) and you can touch on everything from teh bus ride to school, to rules about food in the classroom, to where they sit in an assembly etc...) it's very detailed, just for that child.
When my son first started kindergarten at school, I was focused on getting the pb out of the lunchroom and possibly out of the school. But as I've grown on this journey....I've come to realize, that I can't ban these foods for the rest of his life. At what point do we take self responsibility and use it to teach our kids to be safe in a world that isn't?? We also have a boy allergic to multiple foods lots of meats, milk, veggies, wheat etc...) and he does need peanut butter, in his case, it is all he can eat safely...so who am I to take that away from him?? So we have it, now(at or school) that those eating pb eat at certain tables and those that can't, have their own p-free tables. They all wash their hands after lunch as well.
Another point that hit me, was we have multiple allergies in our family, so am I going to ban all those foods as well?? I need to draw the line somewhere. I can't expect a school to ban peanuts, tree nuts, eggs, milk, soy, chocolate, beef and pork....that's rediculous. And if they were to ban the peanuts...what about the milk, are those kids not worthy of a ban to protect them too???
The 504 will help in setting up some safe rules for each child. I am more worried about pb/nut/eggs being brought into the classroom(what should happen if they are). It's happened, after a field trip they all finished their lunch in the classroom, my son was sent to the principals office. To protect his right to be in class, his 504, in that situation, would ask that the class would need to finish their lunch in the lunchroom, using the peanut-tables for the pb-eaters and the peanut-free tables for my son.
When my 3yr old starts kindergarten, I will need to adjust the rules to fit him...with the milk, kindergarten has milk in class in the afternoon...so I need to think up a safe way for him to be apart of that...I don't think I would ask to ban it, maybe if they could go to the lunchroom during that time, may be sufficiant??
It's hard, you have to think of every situation, but also you need to consider others. It took me some time to come to grips with that, I have a right, they have a right....we have to find what works for everyone, safely.
I do think a ban would be nice, no worries etc....but I don't think it is the answer.
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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma)
Jake-6 (peanut, all tree nuts, eggs, trees, grasses, weeds, molds, cats, dogs, guinea pig & eczema & asthma)
Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig)
Savannah-1 (milk and egg)
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Posted on: Sat, 02/03/2007 - 12:20am
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[b]To protect his right to be in class, his 504, in that situation, would ask that the class would need to finish their lunch in the lunchroom, using the peanut-tables for the pb-eaters and the peanut-free tables for my son.[/b]
Chandra,
So you were successful with having PB-eaters have their own segregated tables even tho their was such an uproar with the parents and news? Did you have the schools support?
We have adapted a 504 but we have had a few issues that were not resolved and instead compromised but not to our liking. One is the school was unable to enforce some type of handwashing policy for those children who do eat PB... which has set limits for my child to prevent contact reactions- such as not having access to playground equip. It's a compromise in the sense it goes against what our 504 protects us from... but we haven't been able to come up with another solution.
[b]When my 3yr old starts kindergarten, I will need to adjust the rules to fit him...with the milk, kindergarten has milk in class in the afternoon...so I need to think up a safe way for him to be apart of that...I don't think I would ask to ban it, maybe if they could go to the lunchroom during that time, may be sufficiant??[/b]
Perhaps suggesting apple juice instead of milk can be an easy solution to this problem- a healthy alternative.
Are your child's milk & egg allergy life threatening as well? Do you worry about contact reactions with milk and egg like most do with peanut residue? That is my main concern with school's choice to allow PB is the residue left behind that my child can pick up on so easily.
thanks for your feedback.
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Posted on: Sat, 02/03/2007 - 12:30am
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JRsMami....
here is the link to the story. The *outraged* parents called the news station to complain, I think the news did a good job covering our side of the story(since non of the outraged parents would go on camera)....
[url="http://www.thedenverchannel.com/education/10512488/detail.html"]http://www.thedenverchannel.com/education/10512488/detail.html[/url]
(watch the video off to the right)
As for the egg allergy, my son Jake(in Kindergarten) his is anapylaxic(his neck squeezes tight from batter, so most likely just raw egg...but I keep him away form all). As for the milk in the younger ones...as far as I know, Carson is not, but I am unsure. Savannah is, her mouth, neck swelled up and were covered in hives when some formula dripped down her chin.
EDIT- had to add, both kids have gotten hives when a family member drank milk and then kissed them, so they are both contact sensitive. But if kids drank it at lunch, I would just ask if they could wash their hands after...just like we did with the peanutbutter.
As far as what to do once they are in school. I don't want to take the milk away from those students that can drink it, we just need to decide on a safe way of doing it(like going to the lunchroom and sitting at designated tables vs all sitting together on the rug in class) I would actually send my son his rice milk, rather then drinking juice, I am not a big fan of juice(they can have one juice a day, but I push water most the time).
But anyways...we have multiple allergies, I don't want a ban. I just read in another thread(don't remember the name) but they were very passionate(edit, spelling, I can't do it!) about the school banning peanuts. But what about the kids allergic to eggs, milk, I know a girl anaphylaxic to wheat...what if the school banned everything that could cause death??
Where do we draw the line???
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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma)
Jake-6 (peanut, all tree nuts, eggs, trees, grasses, weeds, molds, cats, dogs, guinea pig & eczema & asthma)
Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig)
Savannah-1 (milk and egg)
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Posted on: Sat, 02/03/2007 - 5:13am
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Hi -
We just found out that my kindergarten daughter is PA. I am the teacher in the kinder class next to hers. My principal and staff immediately said "lets go peanut-free". We have posted the signs and will send out letters to the community on Monday. Food services will not send peanut butter or peanut products any longer. I am curious to see what response we get. My mom said to prepare for media. I say bring it on. I have a great relationship with parents in the building and if any are offended, I am prepared to offer an explanation of how my duty involves protecting all children, I would do this if it wasn't my child with the allergy.
Amy
ps. I will also do a 504 by the end of the school year to ensure that these measure continue throughout her schooling (proncipal and staff will likely change some time)

Posted on: Sat, 02/03/2007 - 5:49am
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Well Amy I think that is great. But you know, it just reinforces my view on this..."people will only make changes if it effects themself".
I assume there are other PA children in your school, but did they finally decide to go peanut free because a teachers child(yours) was affected? Why didn't they before? (I hope I don't sound rude....just soemthing I've noticed)
I am glad you are prepared for the backlash...there will be a ton of it. You'll hear allt he *my kids have aright to eat peanut-butter*. In my post above(I think this thread, with the link to the video from the local news) parents were outraged because we asked kids to sit at a table....they can still bring peanut butter, we just ask they sit at the cold lunch table...parents and students flipped out, over something so stupid in my opnion!
Good luck, hope it goes smoothly. And interesting to know a teacher is also considering doign a 504, that makes me feel good about my decision to do one. And not to sound thankful your child is PA...but woulnd't it be nice to find a teacher, or principal with such a personal experience with peanut allergies...you *get it*, most don't! Good luck [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma)
Jake-6 (peanut, all tree nuts, eggs, trees, grasses, weeds, molds, cats, dogs, guinea pig & eczema & asthma)
Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig)
Savannah-1 (milk and egg)

Posted on: Sat, 02/03/2007 - 6:07am
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Quote:Originally posted by chanda4:
[b]they are NOT peanut-free(at least where we are)....mostly(I assume) because of the *rights* of those who want to eat peanuts....I hear that way more then I care to.
In the school section of this site, they talk alot oabout a 504..I am doing this at the moment, just to get his room nut-free....but I've been warned I will have a fight on my hands to do so.
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That's just HORRIBLE! Are people really that stupid and self centered???? They won't let you have a nut free class room???

Posted on: Sat, 02/03/2007 - 6:17am
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auntAmanda...
sorry for all my typ-o's when you quoted me, LOL!!! But no, my sons room is NOT nut free. The teacher can ask parents to please consider Jake when they bring treats, btu if a parent wanted to bring in peanut butter cookies, the teacher could NOT turn them away. They will NOT ban a food. I understand that, I do. I am doign the 504 because I want *in writing* what should be done if that parents does bring in peanut butter cookies. As it stands, they send Jake to the office. Which I HATE! In the 504 I am going to state, that if peanuts/nuts are brought into the classroom, the whole class needs to go down to the lunchroom, Jake can sit at his safe table and eat his safe snack, while the other kids eat their cookies. After, they wash their hands and head back to class. That is fine with me...that way both sides win...right??!!!
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Chanda(mother of 4)
Sidney-8 (beef and chocolate, grasses, molds, weeds, guinea pig & asthma)
Jake-6 (peanut, all tree nuts, eggs, trees, grasses, weeds, molds, cats, dogs, guinea pig & eczema & asthma)
Carson-3 1/2 (milk, soy, egg, beef and pork, cats, dog, guinea pig)
Savannah-1 (milk and egg)

Posted on: Sat, 02/03/2007 - 6:17am
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Quote:Originally posted by Mookie86:
[b]Also, I remember what one person told me whose child is allergic to a lot of foods (I think it's around 22!). Peanut butter is one of the few foods that he can bring to school. If his school had a peanut ban, it would be really hard for him.
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I don't think a ban so much, but the segragation seems like a good idea. I am appalled that the parents (that Chandra mentioned) threw such a tantrum! What kind of example are they setting for their kids?
But the segregation - something could always go wrong, you know? I'm not sure what the best answer is.
I read on FAAN recently that they are now accepting application or nominations for schools to be trained for Food Allergies. Anyone had this occur at their school? How does this work? Do you think maybe THIS would help at all?
[url="http://www.foodallergy.org/sfap/index.php"]Here is the information if anyone wants to nominate their school![/url]
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Posted on: Sat, 02/03/2007 - 6:25am
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Quote:Originally posted by chanda4:
[b]auntAmanda...
sorry for all my typ-o's when you quoted me, LOL!!! But no, my sons room is NOT nut free. The teacher can ask parents to please consider Jake when they bring treats, btu if a parent wanted to bring in peanut butter cookies, the teacher could NOT turn them away. They will NOT ban a food. I understand that, I do. I am doign the 504 because I want *in writing* what should be done if that parents does bring in peanut butter cookies. As it stands, they send Jake to the office. Which I HATE! In the 504 I am going to state, that if peanuts/nuts are brought into the classroom, the whole class needs to go down to the lunchroom, Jake can sit at his safe table and eat his safe snack, while the other kids eat their cookies. After, they wash their hands and head back to class. That is fine with me...that way both sides win...right??!!!
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Don't worry about typos - my typing is horrible! :P
But that is just horrible! They send him to the office and snack in the classroom with peanut butter cookies or whatnot? Do they scrub down the room before he comes back?
Please excuse my current anger issues today on the board - I'm just beyond upset about how people seem to be treating kids with food allergies. Like it's not something THEY need to deal with. I'm not even a parent and it's BEYOND frustrating for me right now! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
I SO hope my nephew NEVER goes through anything like this! He's not even 2 yet, so his parents don't have to think about it yet, but still, the knowledge that there are parents out there that are so selfish.
Ah! I'll be praying that your 504 ppwk goes through. Really, maybe instead of a ban, there should just be a nut room or something, you know? And that way, there is a room just for kids to eat their PB sandwiches that they just CANNOT live without. :P

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