Mystery hives. Repeat Rast Testing.

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Youngest (low positive rast for peanuts and oat, barley, rye, wheat--Incomplete diagnosis for Food Allergies, no strong history of reactions. Yet. / Environmental allergies, dust mites, mold, some grasses, trees, etc.....) awoke with hives to the anterior and lateral chest, back of upper thighs, armpits, and elbows. Face a picture of *perfection*. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Nothing to back, outer arms or anterior legs.

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/trainspotr/MysteryHives2.jpg[/img]

Yesterday? slathered in Water Babies sunscreen from head to toe. (been using it three years) most recent meal prior to hives? HomeRun Pizza after pool. (eaten multiple numerous times) (this year only our family has been in it, recently opened with same chemicals, running to a "t".) Breyer's chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream. before bed. (never had that flavor before, but [i]hubby did the shopping[/i])

Oldest did not have any hives today. He has a highly positive rast for peanuts, many treenuts, lentils. Diagnosis of peanut, treenut, lentil allergy. Multiple strong history of reactions. Even to trace amounts/contact. Multiple Environmental allergies including mold, trees, grasses, dust mites, etc....

*He* used the same sunscreen, swam in the same pool, ate the same pizza. No ice cream.

wonder wonder wonder.

Saw the pediatrician today and additional bloodwork is being performed.

General Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. [i]Absolutely not.[/i] Just describing my own personal, highly individual, and unique situation. Individual Mileage May Vary.

On Jun 9, 2005

MB, Those look identical to my DS's hives a few weeks ago. They were all over and lasted for 2 weeks; they moved each day, increased in # after a couple days then decreased each day until they were gone. We never figured out what caused them. I questioned the water babies too, but have used it since w/ no problem. Allergist said he thought it might have been a response to an environmental allergen, or possibly a virus,but that we would probably never figure it out. At the height of the hives, he looked like a leper. They only itched a little, and for a while we gave him Rx Atarax instead of Zyrtec. He woke up every AM like that for the 2 wks, then the hives would fade as the day went on. Very mysterious, very worrysome, and I hope they don't come back. I know my post is not very helpful to you, just letting you know we've been there and they did go away, even when I thought they never would. Hugs, Melissa

On Jun 9, 2005

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Originally posted by melissa: [b] I know my post is not very helpful to you, [/b]

nonsense. It *is* helpful. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] and appreciated. thank you.

btw, that photo is of the lateral chest area, taken while he was laying on his side. (He's built like a greyhound and just as fast.) [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] He's my *picky* eater. His new nickname? "Mr. Hughes" [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/cool.gif[/img]

On Jun 10, 2005

[i]the hives are back[/i]. Physician appointment today. Wonder if the respiratory infection that ravaged the house a week or so ago has anything to do with it.

On Jun 10, 2005

A puzzle, and not a nice one really. ( bad luck for your son, itchy and worrying for the lad)

spent some time looking at hives( tilting head to one side to get a better look!) , and so clearly are hives and not fith disease or a mild case of measles , but hives.

Wondered, different children, different allergies. which grass pollen is around at this week of the year in your area?

Was 2nd son the only one to lay down on his tummy on side of pool? or on grass?

My personal experience of a child with viral hives a reaction/side effect of a common bug around nursery, this child had continual hives( over a week). So, question ? is that true of all reactions of this type?

How do the hives respond to antihistamine? are they coming back after the effects have worn off? Is that more of an idicator of viral hives?

contact hives do not hang around for long, once skin has been washed and antihistamine given.

just my thoughts.

sarah

Also IMO would make a note of ingrediants of sun cream, just in case other reactions may be to common ingrediant. Perhaps when this is over, test patch a small area on son ( this depends on son, and if he is willing!!!)

On Jun 10, 2005

hmmmmmm. Adequate description. [i]a leper.[/i] But no other symptoms. I spoke with the physician again, and the physician will see him if *I* desire. And draw some blood work that might do no more than possibly confirm something that probably wouldn't make a difference. hmmmmmmmmmmm.

On Jun 10, 2005

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Originally posted by williamsmummy: [b]

My personal experience of a child with viral hives a reaction/side effect of a common bug around nursery, this child had continual hives( over a week). So, question ? is that true of all reactions of this type?

How do the hives respond to antihistamine? are they coming back after the effects have worn off? Is that more of an idicator of viral hives?

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benadryl: near complete resolution by bedtime. well, a purplish redness with capilary network visible remained where the hives had been. I mean, no swollen raised areas.

Today? Bad Mommy. I didn't give it another thought. [i]Oldest was concerned about the hives[/i]. Given his *own* personal history of anaphylaxis, he's been monitoring his brother like a private duty nurse since the hives appeared yesterday. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

what he eats, the level of activity, sleepiness, appearance, etc.......LOL.

*He* notified me he saw the hives on his brothers calves and wrists.

[i]go figure[/i]. I think he may be on to a career.

Anywhooooooooooo. I examined further and noted them pronounced once again and increased in area (now under chin, more to axilla, wrists, and extending around chest and legs) and gave Benadryl per physician order a bit ago and gave him a bath. Much improved.

I was going to take another photo in better light, but he's rather upset about his appearance. He's afraid he is not [i]cute[/i] any more. Rather shy about it. Says he's "afraid to look at the [i]hibes[/i], they're scary". Personally, I think he's [i]he's cuter than ever.[/i] This definitely qualifies for a "sick toy". Maybe two. Just so happens to be "payday". [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

General Disclaimer: I am not offering advice in any manner or form. Just describing my own personal, highly individual, and unique situation. Individual Mileage May Vary.

On Jun 10, 2005

MB, That "sick toy" comment cracks me up! I think DS got 2 different purchases that he normally wouldn't have been given during his 2 weeks of hives. His would fade each day, and leave him w/ an almost bruise like appearance in places, similar to what you described. I think the RX Atarax did not make them go away, but maybe helped the itching more than zyrtec or benadryl, though not really sure as he's 2 and didn't really help in this matter. Hope they get better; I won't say hope you figure it out b/c sadly I think you may not...but I do hope they run their course very quickly. Melissa

On Jun 10, 2005

have to confess to being a cruel sort of mummy. last year everyone heard william complain 'are you rubbing mango on my arm'!!!!

well, with the kiwi allergy , I sort of rub any new fruit on william with out him knowing before I offer it to him. I suppose its a sort of allergy mummy cruelty.

I do the same with sun cream............ and lentils,............ and shell fish.

william has qualified for many a sick toy over the years, now he is older and wiser, and pocket money does the trick!

sarah

On Jun 11, 2005

no hives today. purplish/angry red discoloration almost vanished. Not sure if this is related, but in comparison to the days previous to the last two, he hasn't spent an extended amount of time [i]in the sun[/i] or heat. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Not that he ever does, seeing this cub in particular has the complexion of [i]Casper[/i], we are always generous with sunscreen, wide brimmed hats, and shoulder coverings. Quite a few on my mother's side of the family have had cancerous skin lesions removed. Just that the last two days have been more [i]limited[/i].

No advice, just wondering.

On Jun 11, 2005

Momma Bear, sorry I didn't see this thread earlier to offer at least some support.

The ice cream.

Aside from the fact that certainly one cub could be reacting to something that the other cub isn't reacting to (even though the other cub tests higher on RAST), or could have a virus that the other cub does not have, you did mention that the only difference between the two cubs was that the older cub, who did not develop hives, did NOT have the ice cream.

Here, in Canada, we are not able to buy Breyer's ice cream. "May contain" labeling.

Also, certainly, one cub not dealing as well with the sun as the other cub.

The other day I took both children to the splash park (water sprinkler like things) after school. But also a park with grass and stuff, of which both children are allergic. But my older one, PA, has had strange reactions to grass.

Darned if we're not leaving the park and his back looks like an itchy scratchy mess. The grass. Had to come home and get an antihistamine.

But if you did want to check for something FA related, I would say the ice cream.

Hope you get it solved. I hate mysteries when it comes to my children.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 12, 2005

hives. encompassing legs, arm, and [i]feet[/i], less to chest, back, and abdomen. Mercifully, none to the face. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] He would be devastated. Neck and axilla, however have some whoppers.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm. no benedryl yesterday. late afternoon, around sixish, he played on the porch. bath before bedtime.

just for kicks sake, I'm tossing the new scent of liquid foaming hand soap. (He's a handwasher). It's desperate, I know, but just for kicks. wash the sheets rinse rinse rinse...............

always on a Sunday.

On Jun 12, 2005

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On Jun 12, 2005

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On Jun 12, 2005

MB,

Any incidence of nickel/cobalt/other metal allergies???

Saying this because my daughter picked out a denim fabric with silver sparkly flowers all over it two years ago. We whipped up a nice pair of shorts for her and she started experiencing hives all over her waist to knee area. Took a little while to figure out why. The "sparkly" pattern contained an allergy provoking substance.

Ditto with her nickel-plated mouthpiece on her trumpet. Talk about cold sores! I got the same thing after hubby used her extra nickel mouthpiece playing the trumpet and then giving me those juicy kisses. I simply reacted from him using the mouthpiece!

For the past year, I have been plagued with hives on my fingers, palms, hands, and forearms. FINALLY figured out the major culprit two days ago. Many times I loop my key ring around my fingers (like a ring) when in the grocery store, walking around the block, etc. I have been reacting terribly to the nickel/cobalt in the key rings AND the keys. Sometimes I would "play" with the key ring on my fingers and flip them back on my forearm to jingle them. Hence the multitude of hives on my forearms.

Now it's more heat rash because of the intense humidity and hot days here in the Poconos right now. I can simply break out in hives and/or an itchy rash from the heat.

You may want to move to a nice, warm place, but your little cub may prefer a few more months of cooler weather in Illinois throughout the year. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I know I DREAD the summer months and what it does to my fair, sensitive skin!

Also, have you considered Lyme? Dumb deer are all over our yard carrying tons of deer ticks. An incredible yard and disease-carrying nuisance! [This message has been edited by ryan's mom (edited June 12, 2005).]

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On Jun 12, 2005

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Originally posted by ryan's mom: [b]MB,

Any incidence of nickel/cobalt/other metal allergies???

Saying this because my daughter picked out a denim fabric with silver sparkly flowers all over it two years ago. We whipped up a nice pair of shorts for her and she started experiencing hives all over her waist to knee area. Took a little while to figure out why. The "sparkly" pattern contained an allergy provoking substance.

Ditto with her nickel-plated mouthpiece on her trumpet. Talk about cold sores! I got the same thing after hubby used her extra nickel mouthpiece playing the trumpet and then giving me those juicy kisses. I simply reacted from him using the mouthpiece!

For the past year, I have been plagued with hives on my fingers, palms, hands, and forearms. FINALLY figured out the major culprit two days ago. Many times I loop my key ring around my fingers (like a ring) when in the grocery store, walking around the block, etc. I have been reacting terribly to the nickel/cobalt in the key rings AND the keys. Sometimes I would "play" with the key ring on my fingers and flip them back on my forearm to jingle them. Hence the multitude of hives on my forearms.

Now it's more heat rash because of the intense humidity and hot days here in the Poconos right now. I can simply break out in hives and/or an itchy rash from the heat.

You may want to move to a nice, warm place, but your little cub may prefer a few more months of cooler weather in Illinois throughout the year. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I know I DREAD the summer months and what it does to my fair, sensitive skin![/b]

this helps me.

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[b]Also, have you considered Lyme? Dumb deer are all over our yard carrying tons of deer ticks. An incredible yard and disease-carrying nuisance! [/b]

this, [i]this[/i] is getting me moving. [i]really moving[/i]. I kept thinking: "hmmmmmmmm red borders, white center.......what does that remind me of?"

It might not be typical presentation, I'm not an expert on *lymes*, and *I've* been tested for lymes before, but I've picked ticks off this cub in particular before. He's soooooooooooo......... [i]outdoorsy[/i]. Digs my backyard up. [i]and those rabbits[/i]. again, don't know *that* much about lymes, but considering the consequences, I am going to get that looked into. It's like a switch just went off. (even if the odds are *low*, it's not a risk I want to take, and now remembering our recent extended camping trip to Disney............. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img].

ps......yeah, maybe Illinois isn't so bad afterall. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] (I mean, I love hayrides, pumpkin patches, and cool evening walks. Besides, what would I do with those snowball makers in Arizona?)

On Jun 12, 2005

hmmmmmmmmm. wonder what other insect bite born maladies should I consider? he has recently again complained of achy legs and joints (but that is not new and I've taken him to the physician several times for *that*). He is sort of [i]Tourettish[/i], but *thats* not new either. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

On Jun 12, 2005

Achy legs and joints??? That definitely sounds like a Lyme possibility. Also will note that my one son and my nephew develop huge hives from mosquitoes.

On Jun 12, 2005

Another thought. Touching anything new? Playing with coins? A harmonica (of course, nickel plated) caused my daughter an immense amount of aggravation when she was two or three and Grandma bought all the kids harmonicas. That took us a while to figure out what was going on as well and that it was the culprit.

My youngest (still carrying those breastfeeding tendencies I guess) has an affinity for elbows. He LOVES squeezing them. Occasionally he will suck on a family member's elbow. (Only IMMEDIATE family we tell him, and no elbow picking outside of our family! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] ). Anyway, my one daughter thought it was cute, until she ended up with a horrible itch/hive(y) rash on her elbows. They still haven't fully recovered--a few remaining scabs. She was reacting to his saliva. (He never did bother his Kindergarten teacher's elbows, but she was warned. My son did admit, however, that he visually checked out her elbows. I told him he MUST marry a girl with nice, fleshy elbows! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] ).

Ever think of visiting a dermatologist for skin testing of contact allergens?

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On Jun 23, 2005

Wondering what happened to your cub, MB.

The past two weeks for me have been my best in a year, not kidding! I'm starting to believe my key rings and keys were causing body hives as well. My front legs and ankles have been clearing up nicely, and the sporadic body hives I was experiencing for the longest time have almost all disappeared.

Our dermatologist told me a story from his residency many years ago. He had a patient come in with full body hives. No treatment was working. It turned out the he had knee replacement surgery with nickel components and he had a nickel allergy. My daughter and I shuddered at the thought. Routine nickel allergy testing used to be done for orthodontic patients as well. Gosh, the thought of having nickel in my mouth and what it would do to me makes me go crazy! Thank goodness nickel is not being used in most of these things anymore.

But I am wondering what is up with your cub and how he is doing.

On Jun 23, 2005

Thank you for asking. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] A night or two I did not give benadryl before bedtime as his pediatrician directed. (He fell asleep early---we were camping [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]) He would wake up with hives. Gave the benadryl then as ordered before bed. After about a week of this, I weaned the benadryl (just stopped it, as it was only before bed) and so far, no hives. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] Lymes titer was negative, differential on a cbc normal. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Jun 23, 2005

DS has been having mystery hives this week too (on trunk of body back and front). They look a lot like you cub's. They aren't very itchy and the raised white part disappears quickly with an application of hydrocortisone cream, leaving a flat red blotch behind. Maybe it is viral. If it lasts much longer I am calling the doctor. BTW DS has no other symptoms, other than his usual seasonal allergy mucousy symptoms. He is getting annoyed with my constant ogling at his skin (he is 10, the newly diagnosed pa tna sesame allergy in 12/04).

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