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Posted on: Sat, 11/11/2006 - 4:02pm
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As to what LindaJo says above me. Actually a physician can see the symptoms but he/she cannot predict how fast things are going to go.
Anaphylaxis is a catastrophic event and comes on very quickly or very slowly. You never know.
And no one, not a physician or a mother or a teacher can do CPR on a person whose airway is CLOSED OFF by swelling and hives. It just is not possible. Scratchy throat = something in the airway like swelling or hives.
That is why epi pens were invented so people could treat themselves with the most effective emergency medication IMMEDIATELY and then get further help.
Gail you were correct to question yourself. And you and I both know doctors are just humans and make mistakes too. They also don't want to make too much of a fuss and they think they may have a handle on things but in actual fact we do a disservice to our kids by admitting this.
Epinephrine is produced by the body. An unnecessary dose of epinephrine in an epi pen will cause a fast heartbeat, cold hands and feet and maybe some tremors. All normal and all survivable. But a MISSED dose of epinephrine will cause a whole heck of a lot more.
If our kids think their doctor daddies are going to save them without epi pens then they are going to "wait and see" some day when they are reacting and things will get out of hand.
And I am now going to say what I hate to say. Take a look at some of the stories in the Memoriam thread.
Peggy

Posted on: Mon, 11/13/2006 - 7:42am
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I received the lab results today. The unopened can from the same lot tested [b]negative [/b]to pecan, almond, hazelnut, walnut and peanut. (They tested for walnut though it was not an option on the form.)
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Posted on: Mon, 11/13/2006 - 8:25am
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Hrrmmm....
Are you going to chalk it up as another mystery reaction or take Mariah in for more testing?
Cathy

Posted on: Mon, 11/13/2006 - 8:51am
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Quote:Originally posted by Momcat:
[b]Are you going to chalk it up as another mystery reaction or take Mariah in for more testing?
Cathy[/b]
I don't know. I'm feeling discouraged. IMO this was a significant reaction in terms of symptoms, and because she hasn't had an ingestion reaction in such a long time that it also feels significant in terms of 'history'.
I forwarded an electronic copy of the lab results to our allergist, who happens to be at National Jewish in Denver this week. He responded, [i]"I guess that we could test for other allergens, but it would be searching for a needle in a hay stack and unlikely to be useful. I will send your email on to (a big gun at National Jewish) and get advice, but don't be discouraged if there is nothing forthcoming."[/i]
Right now I'm feeling angry at all the ambiguity. If it were me, I'd like to have further testing because I tend to look for needles. . . usually with stubborn determination. I'm curious to see a CAP RAST level for soy. But being that Mariah is turning 13 (on Thursday actually), it will largely depend on what she wants to do.
What would you do if you were in my shoes?

Posted on: Mon, 11/13/2006 - 8:57am
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Gail,
If she were allergic to soy, she would probably be reacting frequently, not just to that specific can of soup. Does she normally eat shellfish? I would think that shellfish cross-contamination would be possible.
Will they be testing the can that she ate for the nuts and peanut?

Posted on: Mon, 11/13/2006 - 9:09am
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Gail,
Forgive my memory, but don't RAST levels usually spike after a reaction? Could give you some clues if you run some of the ingredients in the soup.
Did she have anything else that evening? Something to drink? Just brainstorming... [i]Not like you haven't done this already yourself.[/i]
Take care,
Daisy

Posted on: Mon, 11/13/2006 - 9:49am
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Hi Gail - I'm sorry you didn't find the answer to Mariah's reaction. I can imagine how frustrated you must feel. I hope you can figure out the reason she reacted at some point to help put your mind at ease.
Hugs,
Tracy

Posted on: Mon, 11/13/2006 - 9:58am
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Hi Naturemom. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] She's had other reactions that we presumed were from peanut contact, but they could have been from soy. <> I don't know. I feel desperate for answers. I went back to the link of Campbell's soup recalls and also the Campbell's soup website. . . and also thought about shellfish too. To my knowledge, she has never eaten shellfish, though I've had some in our home.
No, they won't test the opened can. I wish they would. I asked them repeatedly on the phone, and was told that they wouldn't due to their practice standards. They were very clear about that before I sent it. They used the open can only for the purpose of comparing the production code to the new unopened can code.
Here is the full text of the letter:
[i]November 13, 2006
Dear Ms. W,
My laboratory received the open can of soup that you retrieved from the trash and the unopened can of soup on Wednesday, November 8, 2006. Both samples are identical products with the same production codes. We did not test the empty can of soup due to the risk that the sample could be compromised.
The laboratory has completed testing on the unopened can of Campbell's Condensed Soup, Cream of Potato, with a production code of (blue print) Jun 23 2006, CU YL, R4 06236 0008, (red ink) JUN 22 2008 OU YL, R4, 06236 2151. The laboratory tested the unopened soup for peanut, almond, hazelnut, pecan and walnut using specific commercial and FARRP proprietary methods specific for trace amounts of these foods.
The soup was negative for the presence of any of these foods.
I am sorry that we could not assist you in finding out what caused your daughter's reaction. Please do not hesitate to contact me for any assistance we can give you in the future at (phone number and e-mail address).
Sincerely,
Steve Taylor, Ph.D.
Professor and Director
Food Allergy Research and Resource Program
University of Nebraska
The information, advice and opinions provided by a University of Nebraska employee represent the best judgment of the employee at that time, but should not be considered legal advice on any local, state, federal or international regulation or statute. We encourage you to contact the applicable regulatory agency and/or qualified attorney to confirm the information presented in this correspondence.[/i]
Daisy, thanks for your ideas. I've wracked by brain. She hadn't had anything for a couple hours prior to the soup. And she began reacting almost immediately. No crackers; water to drink. Now my memory has faded, but there wasn't anything unusual that we had in our home. It seemed clear at the time that it was the soup. . .
Now I'm really wondering about shellfish. . .

Posted on: Mon, 11/13/2006 - 10:48am
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It may not be worth it to RAST for everything under the sun, but it is certainly reasonable to do soy and shellfish because those are top 8 suspects and could have been in the soup. It would be good to eliminate them at the very least.
I'm with you [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] ! I always want more info and will doggedly search for needles...
DS once reacted to a popsicle. I sent it in for testing and the whole bit. Never figured anything out, but I felt I at least had to try to figure it out.
Cathy

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Gail,
If they still have the soup, and I'm assuming they keep it for a period of time for any re-testing, could you request testing for shellfish?
Looks like this would be cross-contaminated for shellfish much more easily than for nuts. [b]Did you ask the Campbell's Rep exactly what other soups are processed on this line?[/b] Would be interesting to know; might narrow down your choices for RAST.
I raised this question on the Off Topic "Shellfish" thread recently. I'm a canary for shellfish; inhalant reactions in restaurants and reactions to Pizza Hut sauce (which has a 'processed in' warning), among others.
I'm still new to worrying about cross-contamination so after seeing your Campbell's Soup thread I looked at the other "Cream of..." soups they make. Sure enough, Cream of Shrimp of one of them.
I have used Cream of Chicken for years for my turkey pie. (I am still somewhat GI allergic to chicken and I avoid, but my symptoms are only a tummy ache. Never have been able to re-introduce it into my diet.) But the Cream of Chicken soup has never even given me a tummy ache. And I eat it for a couple of days in a row, lunch and dinner, unless my DH beats me to it! I use one can to about 4 cups of turkey broth.
[i]Say it isn't so...[/i]
Could you get your Ped to order a RAST panel if your allergist isn't thrilled about ordering? Depending upon the lab your Doc uses, you can look on the lab website for specific RAST testing available in your area or look at the laboratory's Directory of Service manual at the Doc's office.
Happy Birthday to Mariah,
Daisy

Posted on: Mon, 11/13/2006 - 12:00pm
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Honestly? I think it would be a really really good idea to get Mariah tested for shellfish. Even if it WASN'T a shellfish cross-contam. issue with the soup, Mariah is at an age where she is going to start wanting to go out with friends for fun. She NEEDS to know. It is one thing to sit with friends in a restaurant and not order anything because there are peanuts in the menu. But shellfish...shellfish steam travels everywhere. And many restaurants serve it. The last thing you (and Mariah) to want happen is for her to find out she's shellfish allergic when her and her friends walk into Red Lobster for dinner. Also, even if she never becomes airborne allergic to shellfish, if she is SFA and she goes on a date and the boy orders crab legs, or lobster, or shrimp...ugh.
I went through my teens not knowing if I was SFA or not (it was just assumed I was), and now that I know that I'm actually NOT, it's sad looking back thinking how many times I had to stay home because I didn't think I could eat at the restaurant my group of friends went to almost 3 times a week. So if she ends up not being SFA, the test will still be worth it because she won't be worrying for nothing!

Posted on: Mon, 11/13/2006 - 10:33pm
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Quote:Originally posted by Daisy:
Looks like this would be cross-contaminated for shellfish much more easily than for nuts. [b]Did you ask the Campbell's Rep exactly what other soups are processed on this line?[/b] Would be interesting to know; might narrow down your choices for RAST.
I hadn't thought to ask. I will today. Thank you!
And starlight, I agree it would be a good idea for Mariah to be tested for shellfish. Thank you for bringing that perspective. She has already started to go out on her own. As Momcat pointed out also, she doesn't need to be tested to everything, but perhaps a couple select allergens.
Thank you all.

Posted on: Wed, 11/15/2006 - 10:30pm
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Are you going to test her for lentils, garbanzos/chickpeas, and some other legumes?
Seems more probable, given it's a [i]soup[/i] and those aren't things a company might label as "may contain" or "manufactured on" since they aren't a "BIG 8", but I could be wrong on all counts, KWIM?

Posted on: Wed, 11/15/2006 - 11:51pm
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Gail, I'm so sorry that you didn't get an answer as to what caused Mariah's reaction.
I know that with the last two reactions Jesse had (one of which was anaphylactic), it was suggested to me by Anaphylaxis Canada that he had developed a soy allergy, but as someone else said above, if it was soy, the kids would be reacting far more frequently.
I also discovered in September month, when Jesse ate a different brand of soy burger that he was fine - no reaction.
I would have to agree with most everyone else and see if your allergist will test for the shellfish - although I'd feel even better if Campbell's would test that can of soup that Mariah actually ate from.
Jess had the one "mystery" reaction, which was his last anaphylactic reaction (touch wood), four years ago, and it took me 1-1/2 YEARS to figure it out as best I could (that it was cross contamination ingestion and not residue).
I just find mystery reactions SO frustrating! I can well imagine how you feel, especially because you did everything "right" - contacting everyone and having the food tested.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 11/16/2006 - 12:07am
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MB, lentils is a good idea.
The FARRP lab is holding on to both cans until our allergist decides if he wants further testing on Mariah and/or the soup. Campbell's has requested the cans, and FARRP will mail them to Campbell's, but we'll wait to send them until after Mariah has had any testing first. If she has testing and tests positive to something that is not declared on the labeling, then we might have the product tested for that allergen.
Campbell's will not give me any additional information regarding what is included in their "flavorings" because it is considered "proprietary", BUT they will provide the information directly to our allergist. They insist that if one of the top 8 is in their flavorings that it would be declared on the label as mandated by FALCP. So once our allergist gets info from Campbell's re the "flavorings" we'll decide what/if testing Mariah will have.
I've asked Campbell's for, but have not received, information regarding what other products are made on those same lines. Campbell's said that they would investigate that question and get back to me, but they haven't as of today. It's only been 2 days though. . . This may also provide information that could be used for testing.
FARRP released the lab results to the FDA. And Darcy from FAAN has called back to stay in touch.
I've been very grateful to everyone involved. . . the people at the FARRP lab have been absolutely wonderful, FAAN has been supportive, Campbell's has been responsive, and the FDA has followed up. Our allergist continues to be a genuine partner. Posters here have helped me sort through the experience and helped me think through possible culprits. All in all, the process has been very positive.
I just wish/hope an answer is forthcoming. <> But I'm starting to sense that there may not be.
So that's where we're at...
Thanks everyone. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 11/16/2006 - 12:13am
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Hi Cindy. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] We were posting at the same time.
Quote:Originally posted by Alternative to Mainstream:
[b]I just find mystery reactions SO frustrating! I can well imagine how you feel, especially because you did everything "right" - contacting everyone and having the food tested.[/b]
It is frustrating. I'm not good with ambiguity.
But I didn't do everything "right" because I threw the can in the trash. The FARRP lab will not test the original can. <> I don't blame myself, but if there is a 'next time' I will remember this frustration and will know better.
Thanks for checking in on me. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Thu, 11/16/2006 - 2:14am
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Just one more thought on this subject...
I have to wonder what the limit of detection is on the analysis. The reason that I ask is that Dr. Taylor's lab was originally of the opinion that heat refining of peanut oil left "no protein" in the oil. I communicated several times with Dr. Taylor about what the actual quantitative value was-- and it wasn't "zero." He just didn't think it was "enough."
I say this because I am absolutely certain that DH's two reactions were not from soy, and he has no other known FA that are capable of inducing that kind of reaction... other than walnuts.
I really cannot fathom how a can of soup could have contained them, but there it is.
Then again, you'd probably know if she were that sensitive to walnuts, right?
I hate mystery reactions too.

Posted on: Thu, 11/16/2006 - 3:11am
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Corvallis Mom, Mariah had an anaphylactic reaction to a blueberry muffin. Her symptoms were mostly GI, which was different from her previous anaphylactic reaction to peanut which was mainly respiratory symptoms. We thought/think the muffin was cross contaminated with walnut. But we don't know for sure.
I spoke with the supervisor at Campbell's this morning. I feel a shift in their position.
She told me that Campbell's no longer wants the can(s) because FARRP has already tested them and the results were negative. Her statement seemed to indicate that if they had tested positive, they would have wanted them for retesting.
She assured me, repeatedly, that there was 'no possible chance' of cross contamination from the lines due to their cleaning procedures. I asked about possible shellfish cc, lentils, peas, etc. "No." She stated how closely they work with FAAN, and that they clean their lines extremely well due to the training they've received from FAAN re CC. They require their sub-suppliers to supply them with evidence that there is no cc as well. She was adamant. (I was wondering why, then, did they want to test the can?)
She also repeatedly stated that 'flavorings' would not include any of the major allergens, but included ingredients such as garlic, onion and parsley. However, she is available if our allergist would like to like to speak to her regarding their proprietary flavorings.
She went on to say that she thought at this point it would be best if we worked with our allergist and for Mariah to undergo additional testing. I said that may be the direction our allergist would go, but that I'd like Campbell's to cooperate so that we could narrow the testing down. It seemed pretty clear that while she was amenable to speaking with the allergist, that she didn't see any point to it.
<> I think she said the phrase "due diligence" about 4 or 5 times.
Oh, and she also made a statement that the reaction 'couldn't have been that serious' if we didn't treat her with the epi-pen.
So, now that Campbell's and the FDA have the negative lab results, I think they're finished.

Posted on: Thu, 11/16/2006 - 3:59am
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I just saw this thread, since I don`t usually come to this part of the board. Having sent items off for testing several times, I have to say that dd`s allergist always tells me a test on food is helpful only if positive. Dd`s allergist says that a negative test means nothing. The reason is that if it is cross contaminated, the part she ate may have peanut protein and not the part that remains and gets tested. So you really don`t know anything about the part she ate (not to mention that they would not test the exact can she ate the soup from). Also want to comment that over the weekend dd and I ate some Campbells Bean and Bacon Soup that had two peas which were not supposed to be in there. It never had peas before and the ingredient list did not list peas. Sounds like they are not very careful. One more thing, about Campbells wanting to test it themselves if FARRP found it to test positive, but not if FARRP found it to be negative. What does that say? They aren`t really concerned with finding out the truth, they just want to retest it if it tests positive so they can use a higher cutoff and say it is negative. It is hardly an unbiased test if the company that made it tests it. This is why when dd had the reaction last Sunday after eating the Divvies chocolate chips that I would not send it for testing where Divvies wanted it sent. Better to use the FARRP in Nebraska like you did. They are unbiased and accurate.

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Quote:Originally posted by Carefulmom:
[b]Dd`s allergist says that a negative test means nothing. The reason is that if it is cross contaminated, the part she ate may have peanut protein and not the part that remains and gets tested. So you really don`t know anything about the part she ate (not to mention that they would not test the exact can she ate the soup from). [/b]
This is essentially what our allergist says as well. Still worthwhile to test, of course, as a 'positive' would seem to provide an answer.
Quote:Originally posted by Carefulmom:
[b]Also want to comment that over the weekend dd and I ate some Campbells Bean and Bacon Soup that had two peas which were not supposed to be in there. It never had peas before and the ingredient list did not list peas. Sounds like they are not very careful. [/b]
Indeed. I specifically asked about the possibility of peas. She stated that there was 'no possibility' that the soup could be cc with peas. She described their cleaning process. Unless those are underdeveloped beans, it seems Campbell's is wrong.
Quote:Originally posted by Carefulmom:
[b]One more thing, about Campbells wanting to test it themselves if FARRP found it to test positive, but not if FARRP found it to be negative. What does that say? They aren`t really concerned with finding out the truth, they just want to retest it if it tests positive so they can use a higher cutoff and say it is negative. It is hardly an unbiased test if the company that made it tests it. [/b]
In fairness to Campbell's, they don't do in-house testing. I was originally told that they did, and I was asked to send it to their world headquarters. Then later I was told that they send it out for testing, and that it would be [i]sent out [/i]from their world headquarters (not tested there). The FARRP lab is one laboratory that Campbell's uses.
But still, since the lot sample tested negative to nuts, Campbell's appears to have closed our file.

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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] But still, since the lot sample tested negative to nuts, Campbell's appears to have closed our file.[/b]
It's simply not in their best interest to investigate the matter.
Cathy

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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]
Oh, and she also made a statement that the reaction 'couldn't have been that serious' if we didn't treat her with the epi-pen.
[/b]
**** ***.
This is like saying: "Tossing a baby from a second story window isn't that serious as long as the person you toss them to catches them."
"Rolling your car three times in an accident isn't *that serious* unless you are injured in the process."
Any others?

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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]Campbell's has requested the cans, [/b]
I bet they have.

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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]...She assured me, repeatedly, that there was 'no possible chance' of cross contamination from the lines due to their cleaning procedures. I asked about possible shellfish cc, lentils, peas, etc. "No." She stated how closely they work with FAAN, and that they clean their lines extremely well due to the training they've received from FAAN re CC. They require their sub-suppliers to supply them with evidence that there is no cc as well. She was adamant. (I was wondering why, then, did they want to test the can?)... [/b]
D@mn, and I was hoping to have you do my "dirty work" for me. I will wait a week or so and call about the Cr of Chicken soup. [i]I've so been wanting/craving a turkey pie lately.[/i]
Who cares if they *clean* the lines, you asked specifically what other soups were processed on the lines? [i]They didn't answer your question? Perhaps they don't need our business? [/i]
Hopefully your allergist will be able to resolve something. This was a strong enough reaction, that you would not want this to happen again, especially away from Mom and Dad.
Take care,
Daisy

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Gail, I know how you feel. I know when my ds had the reaction after eating those cookies, I was sure it was cc. It was actually kind of disappointing to get negative test results. I know that sounds weird, but you just seem sure that has to be it and then you find out you have no idea what caused it.
I hope you get to the bottom of it.

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Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b] But still, since the lot sample tested negative to nuts, Campbell's appears to have closed our file.[/b]
[i]mwahahahahaha.........[/i]
apparently Gail, Campbell's doesn't know you are "the velvet hammer".

Posted on: Fri, 11/17/2006 - 12:29am
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Quote:Originally posted by Momcat:
[b] It's simply not in their best interest to investigate the matter.
Cathy[/b]
I think that's exactly right.
So no, they don't want the cans now. They've met their obligation. Any further investigation might only lead to finding 'positive' results to undeclared ingredients.
[i]Before[/i] the test results were in, they wanted the cans, they were understanding and sympathetic. If I had sent them the cans, initially, instead of sending them directly to FARRP myself, the results would be the same of course, but Campbell's would have been the 'client' and would have controlled the process. They also would have controlled the dissemination of information. If the soup had tested positive, I think they probably would have had them retested. And I could have been told, for exmple, that testing wasn't "completed."
I wonder if I hadn't been so quick to share that the results were negative, that perhaps Campbell's would be more [i]willing[/i] to share information that now appears to be unavailable. E.g. what else they produce on those same lines, what (exactly) are in the flavorings. Part of me regrets not holding on to the results a bit longer until Campbell's answered those questions first. Now, they've taken the position that perhaps the reaction wasn't so significant after all, and that Mariah should 'just' get retested for everything. They don't seem very interested in helping me narrow that field down. Grrrr..... We'll see if our allergist is willing to make any headway with them.
Quote:Originally posted by momma2boys:
[b]I know when my ds had the reaction after eating those cookies, I was sure it was cc. It was actually kind of disappointing to get negative test results. I know that sounds weird, but you just seem sure that has to be it and then you find out you have no idea what caused it.[/b]
Yep. I'm grateful that Carefulmom has actually seen a Campbell's soup with an undeclared ingredient. It infuriates me that I specifically asked about peas, and she said that "NO", it was not possible that peas could end up in a soup where it was not an intended ingredient. It shows, at the very least, that the cross contamination [i]does exist,[/i] despite the Rep firmly and repeatedly declaring to me that it wasn't possible.
<>
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]apparently Gail, Campbell's doesn't know you are "the velvet hammer".
[/b]
. . . feeling a bit more like a rubber doormat at the moment. LOL!

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Here`s a thought. I am not recommending that anyone do this; it is just a thought. If you had any leftover soup, you or your allergist could do a "skin test" with the soup. Put a little on her arm and see if she has a reaction where it touched her. I suppose this could be considered an exposure, but I have already thought of doing it after dd`s reaction last Sunday. I had thought of doing a "skin test" with the Divvies chocolate chips on one area and the Bisquick on another to see which caused the reaction. In our case, I suspect milk not peanuts. I don`t think I would be so quick to do it at home if I suspected peanuts or tree nuts. But doing it in the allergist`s office seems very safe, especially if your child eats several things, has a reaction and you don`t know which item caused it.

Posted on: Fri, 11/17/2006 - 8:22am
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I've done the at home "skin test." We were eating a meal and she complained that the peas had peanuts in them. I didn't want to start forcing her to "EAT YOUR PEAS!!!" if they really were hurting her. I dabbed a bit of all her food from the meal on different parts of her body. She got hives from the peas. RAST class 3.
Looking back, I can't believe I did that. Seems so dangerous. But, at the time, I couldn't even fathom that she was allergic to peas.
besides, wouldn't the "skin test at the dinner table" only work if they are contact sensitive?

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Stephi, if you react from contact, does that mean you willl also react from ingestion? There are so many unknowns.

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Quote:Stephi, if you react from contact, does that mean you willl also react from ingestion? There are so many unknowns
Like most things concerning allergies------ I have nooooo idea.
But the fact that the pea touching her skin made her have a hive, I would assume it would have the same kind of effect on her "insides." KWIM? hives in mouth, at least, I would think.
She reacted to the pea (via contact), and tested positive on the RAST. (although she did test negative to the SPT) I have to wonder, though, that she must have had some sort of previous reaction (contact, ingestion?) to pea that I completely overlooked. How else would she come up with the "peas have peanut butter" statement?
So, I guess, the answer to your question is I have no idea what her ingestion reaction (if any) would be like. Allergist wants to wait until she's older and more verbal to do an oral challenge.
For me, I like to look at the whole equation. reaction history + test results.
You could come back with a list of a million foods from a test that you're "allergic" too, but then never have a reaction.
So, we avoid the pea--- even though we don't really know if its really any danger to her at all. Better to err on the side of caution, right?

Posted on: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 9:34am
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Just wanted to let everyone know that I heard back from Campbell`s regarding the pea I found in the Bean and Bacon Soup. It has never had peas before and the ingredients did not list peas. Plus there were only two peas in the entire can, so it appeared to be a mistake. They asked me to send it to them for testing. I sent it for testing and just heard back. My letter says that their "food technologists confirmed the object to be a pea". They offerred no explanation and sent me some coupons. I would really really like to know how it got in there.

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Aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is so frustrating!!@!!
Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
She assured me, repeatedly, that there was 'no possible chance' of cross contamination from the lines due to their cleaning procedures. I asked about possible shellfish cc, lentils,[b] peas, [/b]etc. "No." She stated how closely they work with FAAN, and that they clean their lines extremely well due to the training they've received from FAAN re CC. They require their sub-suppliers to supply them with evidence that there is no cc as well. She was adamant. (I was wondering why, then, did they want to test the can?)
Carefulmom, would you be willing to fax your letter from Campbell's to FAAN and ask them (maybe Darcy) what is the appropriate course of action? I understand that peas are in the top 8 but still, wouldn't some type of 'notice' be appropriate in this circumstance?
Grrr!! [i]"No possible chance." [/i] I'm furious.
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Gail W., I emailed you last night--did you receive it? If you want, I will fax you the letter. I called Campbell`s this morning and left a message for Elizabeth. I have not heard back. If you want I can call FAAN next week. Dd`s egg challenge is Monday. If you want, I can call FAAN Tuesday. I was hoping to hear back from Elizabeth at Campbell`s that maybe they are trying to figure out how the pea got there.

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Okay, spoke with Elizabeth at Campbell`s finally. She really did not seem at all concerned at how the pea got in there, and said it is "proprietary information". (I am so sick of that phrase). She was speechless when I asked if they were going to do a recall. After a long silence, she said no, because I was the only person to report this. Meanwhile, today dd ate some Campbell`s Double Noodle Soup and she found a star in there, clearly cross contamination from Campbell`s Chicken and Stars. Here we go again.....
Gail W., do you want me to call FAAN about the pea?
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Quote:Originally posted by Carefulmom:
[b]Gail W., do you want me to call FAAN about the pea?
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Yes, please, if you can find the time that would be great. I think FAAN should be aware of this. It's possible that they may be aware of another similar incident.

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Okay, I finally had the time to call FAAN. It seems like with the 3 hour time difference every time I had a chance to call was when they would be out to lunch or else when they were already gone for the day. I spoke with Deb who is great. She is the one I spoke with when we had the Van De Kamps incident. Deb told me to report it to the FDA. I don`t know why I did not think of that. So I called the FDA and left a message, have not heard back yet. I have a feeling the FDA will not do anything unless there is a reported reaction due to the pea. We`ll see.

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I heard back from the FDA yesterday. She took a report and said it is up to her supervisor whether it gets investigated or not. They wanted information off the can, which I did not have, since Campbells required me to send them the can when it was tested.

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Thank you so much for your follow through, Carefulmom. I appreciate your updates.

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reraising for nicolimom and gwmom3

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I realize this thread is 5 years old now but I wanted to comment in case any others like me are still finding this as a source. I found alot of threads like this one dated from about 2003 to 2007 but I can't find any recent ones. The FAAN has even given Campbell's an award. Which should mean that their soup is safe to eat for us with allegies. I'm here to say that STILL not the case.
I'm 35 and have had peanut allergies my whole life I'm well aware through both testing and trail and error what things I'm allergic to and what degrees of severity each reaction will be. I get anaphylaxis from Peanuts, green beans and peas. I get a less severe mumps, itching, shortness of breath from Tree nuts and chick peas and a mild reaction to coconut but I am not allegic to things cooked in peanut oil (as lond as the oil is refined and not pressed/"gourmet").
Everytime I have a dish that contains cream of mushroom soup I have a reaction that falls into that second category of reactions (mumps,etc). Which means no caserole for me. I'm not allergic to mushrooms, I eat them regularly on pizza and fried at the BBQ joint. I'm also not allergic to soy or dairy or any other thing I haven't listed. For a long time I though I just hated soup but I've realized that it's about a 50/50 shot that I'll have a reaction to anything but Chicken Noodle. I've had reactions to cream of mushroom this year (2011) so campbell's labeling, cross contamination or/and allergen warnings are still not effective as of now.I hope this helps others, you're not crazy it really IS the soup!

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I'm sorry for your daughters reaction. I hope that she is feeling better. Does she have any other allergies besides pn / tn? any beans or veggies?

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Wow Gail. I am glad she is OK. Odd Potato soup? I'll wait for you to post more for my
questions. Did you need epi pen? Sounds like you did. Wow. I'm glad she is OK and you were ON TOP of things.
Peg

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Oh, Gail!! I am so sorry!!
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{{{hugs}}}
I am glad she is okay.
(Wow, though-- what on earth???)
We stopped using Campbell's entirely when DH broke out in hives from chicken and wild rice soup.... [i]repeatedly[/i] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img].... His only candidate FAs for that kind of reaction are walnuts and soy. Neither of which appeared on the label. (It almost had to be TN xc. The amount of soy to do that would have to be GROSS contamination.)
DD hasn't ever tried any canned soups.

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I hope Mariah is OK!
About 6 months ago, I ate a Campbell's soup, don't remember what kind but it may have been Cream of Potato. My stomach sounded like a washing machine shortly after, which is a reaction clue for me.
I came here and did a search on Campbells, and decided from the posts I read, that it must have been all in my head. But I no longer buy Campbells because of this incident.
I am PA only.

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She's allergic to peanuts and tree nuts. Some other environmental things too that wouldn't apply here.
I saved the can and will send it to a lab for ingredient analysis. FAAN is helping arrange this.
Quote:Originally posted by Gail W:
[b]First time we've tried this product. She had about 4 or 5 spoonfuls and stated her throat was 'itchy'. Nasal congestion, wheezing, labored breathing.[/b]
Forgot to include a 1/4 inch bump on her upper lip.

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omg- my pa dd loves their cream of mushroom. Would love to know what you find out.
Sorry this happened to you and dd. Hope she is feeling much better [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

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Several years ago, Campbell's had a cross contamination warning for cream of mushroom soup that may have contained shellfish.
I think they are a cross contamination risk.

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Gail,
I'm so sorry she had to go through that! Glad to hear that she's O.K. though.
Maybe this will make their labeling or cross contamination precautions better though. We can only hope that something good comes out of it!

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