Mariah had a reaction to CAMPBELL\'S Cream of Potato Soup - Peanut Allergy Information

Mariah had a reaction to CAMPBELL\'S Cream of Potato Soup

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First time we've tried this product. She had about 4 or 5 spoonfuls and stated her throat was 'itchy'. Nasal congestion, wheezing, labored breathing.

She's fine now. I'll post more details later.

Reported it to Campbell's and FAAN.

I did a search on Campbell's soups here and I guess posters have received mixed responses from the company.

On Nov 3, 2006

I'm sorry for your daughters reaction. I hope that she is feeling better. Does she have any other allergies besides pn / tn? any beans or veggies?

On Nov 3, 2006

Wow Gail. I am glad she is OK. Odd Potato soup? I'll wait for you to post more for my questions. Did you need epi pen? Sounds like you did. Wow. I'm glad she is OK and you were ON TOP of things. Peg

On Nov 3, 2006

Oh, Gail!! I am so sorry!! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]

hugs}}}

I am glad she is okay.

(Wow, though-- what on earth???)

We stopped using Campbell's entirely when DH broke out in hives from chicken and wild rice soup.... [i]repeatedly[/i] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/rolleyes.gif[/img].... His only candidate FAs for that kind of reaction are walnuts and soy. Neither of which appeared on the label. (It almost had to be TN xc. The amount of soy to do that would have to be GROSS contamination.)

DD hasn't ever tried any canned soups.

On Nov 3, 2006

I hope Mariah is OK!

About 6 months ago, I ate a Campbell's soup, don't remember what kind but it may have been Cream of Potato. My stomach sounded like a washing machine shortly after, which is a reaction clue for me.

I came here and did a search on Campbells, and decided from the posts I read, that it must have been all in my head. But I no longer buy Campbells because of this incident.

I am PA only.

On Nov 3, 2006

She's allergic to peanuts and tree nuts. Some other environmental things too that wouldn't apply here.

I saved the can and will send it to a lab for ingredient analysis. FAAN is helping arrange this.

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Originally posted by Gail W: [b]First time we've tried this product. She had about 4 or 5 spoonfuls and stated her throat was 'itchy'. Nasal congestion, wheezing, labored breathing.[/b]

Forgot to include a 1/4 inch bump on her upper lip.

On Nov 3, 2006

omg- my pa dd loves their cream of mushroom. Would love to know what you find out. Sorry this happened to you and dd. Hope she is feeling much better [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Nov 3, 2006

Several years ago, Campbell's had a cross contamination warning for cream of mushroom soup that may have contained shellfish.

I think they are a cross contamination risk.

On Nov 3, 2006

Gail,

I'm so sorry she had to go through that! Glad to hear that she's O.K. though.

Maybe this will make their labeling or cross contamination precautions better though. We can only hope that something good comes out of it!

On Nov 3, 2006

Ay yi yi - DS loves their Tomato and Chicken Noodle (what a slap in the face to this Jewish mother, LOL).

Do let us know what happens - this is really scary. I never considered them to be a risk for PA/TNA.

Amy

On Nov 3, 2006

O.K., sheepishly adding...

I let my dd talk me into buying her the Campbell's Dora soup about a year ago. She tried it and was very blotchy on her cheeks and around her mouth after eating just a couple of spoonfuls. I took it away.

I wasn't sure if it was due to allergy or high salt content or what (you know, the wonderful "mystery reaction"...is it environmental....or what?!), but I did stop giving her Campbell's soup after that just to be safe. In your case it sounds like it was definitely the soup, and after reading all these responses, it wouldn't surprise me if dd's reaction was due to the soup too!

Dd is PA and TNA.

On Nov 4, 2006

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Originally posted by Going Nuts: [b]I never considered them to be a risk for PA/TNA.[/b]

Nor did I. But FAAN seemed very interested in Campbell's and asked me several questions. I could be wrong, but it seemed to me that were not surprised. They are helping me expedite laboratory testing.

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Originally posted by Lori Anne: [b] O.K., sheepishly adding...[/b]

No reason to be sheepish. I mean, just like other posters have stated, who would have guessed . . .

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On Nov 4, 2006

Please keep us posted on the lab testing results. My PA son eats campbells soups often. Chicken with rice, chicken noodle o's, chicken and stars, chicken noodle and his favorite, potato soup. I cook with cream of mushroom often. He's never seemed to have any reaction. I recently went on their website and found information about allergens and they seemed to be on top of things just looking at that. It's hard to know who to trust anymore! Please keep us posted.

On Nov 4, 2006

So sorry, Gail. I hope things are better soon!!

In August I contacted Market Day for their Peanut Free list. I noticed that none of the Campbell's products were listed. I asked about it and the representative stated that Market Day does not feel that Campbells are a "safe enough company" to recommend to people with peanut allergies.

On Nov 4, 2006

I've always avoided Campbell's myself because I can't tolerate all the msg they put in their soup.

Cathy

On Nov 4, 2006

Gail W,

I'm sorry that Mariah went through this...hope she is doing better.

Thank you for your perseverence in following up by sending it to the lab for testing.

It's disturbing to hear that others also seem to have problems with Campbell's...

On Nov 5, 2006

Gail W., I'm so sorry to hear that Mariah had a reaction. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img] But glad to hear that she's doing okay.

Canadian specific, I've never had a problem with Campbell's soups; although would say that we don't eat them a lot and out of the two kids, it would be my non-PA daughter that does eat them more.

SO glad that you're following up with FAAN and having the product sent for testing - something I think a LOT of us forget to do or just leave be after our child has had a reaction.

Anyway, please keep us posted.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Nov 5, 2006

I think it is wonderful that FAAN does this for us. I'm eager for the results. Peg

On Nov 5, 2006

Hi All, Just to share. I was just now starting to make chicken pot pie. I had made this for the first time about a week ago using Campbell's cream of chicken. I was telling my PA daughter that I was trying a new recipe for the gravy because I did not have any cream of chicken soup. She then told me that when she ate the pie last time her mouth got itchy but it stopped when she drank water. Then she reminded me that a while ago I made gravy out of Campbell's cream of celery soup and the same thing happened. I'm so mad! As far as we know she is only PA. She did say that Campbell's tomato and chicken noodle soup were ok although she doesn't really like the chicken pieces in the soup.

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On Nov 5, 2006

I've never had a problem with Campbell's soup either... though I am also in Canada so maybe our soup is manufactured in a Canadian facility?

Hope you get some answers about what happened.

On Nov 5, 2006

Thank you everyone for your kind responses.

Mariah regularly has Campbell's chicken noodle soup, but this was the first time she'd tried the cream of potato soup. Either she has developed a new allergy (perhaps soy?) or there was cross contamination.

Part of my delay in sharing details is because my husband and I were not completely in agreement on what to do. I was ready to give the epi, and he wanted to see if she responded to benadryl.

The short answer is that no, we did not give her the epi-pen. My DH and I agree that had he not been home when this happened, that I would have given the epi-pen and called 911. But he was home and he's a physician . . . and he kept a very close eye on her. Her symptoms, in fact, resolved with benedryl.

It's uncomfortable to have not been in agreement with DH. <> We are usually very much in agreement. The outcome was good. That's really all I can say here on the subject.

FAAN told me to put the can in a ziplock bag and put it in the freezer. They will "meet" and decide whether or not to send the can in to testing. She indicated that she thought that they would probably want me to send it in, but that they will instruct me how to do that this week after they "meet". The testing is done at a laboratory at the University of Nebraska, and FAAN sets it up.

FAAN also instructed me on how to report it to the FDA, which I did on Friday.

So I'll wait and see what FAAN tells me what to do next.

Thanks again for all your good wishes. Mariah is fine, though a little scared. Me too. It's been 7 years since she had a reaction from ingestion. Who would have guessed it would be from canned potato soup.

I promise to keep posting updates.

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On Nov 5, 2006

Gail, sorry I missed this. I'm glad she is ok.

Remember, even if FAAN doesn't want you to send it in, you can do it on your own. I think I still have all the info from when I sent a product in for testing. I think I'd do it just for peace of mind.

On Nov 6, 2006

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Originally posted by momma2boys: [b]Remember, even if FAAN doesn't want you to send it in, you can do it on your own. I think I still have all the info from when I sent a product in for testing. I think I'd do it just for peace of mind.[/b]

UHHHHHHHHH!! ! ! !

I just got off the phone with the lab in Nebraska. The can is 'compromised' because I threw it in the garbage. Even though we have a nut-free house, they cannot accept it. <>

This is very frustrating.

I'm going to the grocery store that I bought the soup and see if I can find another can from the same lot.

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On Nov 6, 2006

Sheesh you'd think Campbells themselves would want to know....... I guess that is a pipe dream.

Glad your daughter is OK. Peg

On Nov 6, 2006

For those who have had reactions to Campbell's soups - are they the red/white condensed soups or the larger, fancy don't-dilute ones? Could there be a difference in the ingredients?

On Nov 6, 2006

Oh my gosh Gail!! I just saw your post. I am so sorry to hear about Mariah's reaction! Please tell her I'm glad she's okay now.

Hugs to all of you! Tracy

On Nov 6, 2006

Gail,

I'm sorry. That is frustrating! I hope you can find another from the same lot. Good luck.

On Nov 6, 2006

That is just so frustrating. I guess I can understand their logic, but still...

I know you want answers, as do the rest of us. I'll be watching this thread closely.

Amy

On Nov 6, 2006

Can FAAN request an unopened can from the same lot from Cambells to send for testing? I would hope that Cambells would be proactive and be checking this out by testing the soup from that lot as well as others. Did you get any response from Cambells?

On Nov 6, 2006

If that lot is already on store shelves, it might be possible to contact members who are in your geographical area and have them look for a sample for you.

(Just thinking about how to get you another can if they prove to be already gone at your local store.)

[img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Nov 6, 2006

I got another can from the same lot. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I sent the original opened can that Mariah ate from plus the new unopened can to the lab. They wanted both so that they could compare lot numbers. Phew. . . They will get it Wednesday. I'll let you know what I find out.

Thanks everyone.

Mental note to self: If Mariah has another reaction, save the food for testing. [i]Don't throw it out in the trash can![/i]

On Nov 6, 2006

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Originally posted by Peg541: [b]Sheesh you'd think Campbells themselves would want to know....... I guess that is a pipe dream. [/b]

Peg, Campbell's asked me for the code on the bottom of the can. Maybe they will test it.

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Originally posted by Peg541: [b]Glad your daughter is OK.[/b]

Thank you. I figured you could relate to my situation.

On Nov 6, 2006

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Originally posted by Gail W: [b]I got another can from the same lot. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] I sent the original opened can that Mariah ate from plus the new unopened can to the lab. They wanted both so that they could compare lot numbers. Phew. . . They will get it Wednesday. I'll let you know what I find out. i][/b]

Hi Gail,

I hope you find some answer as to why she reacted. I'm anxious to hear what the results are. How is Mariah doing?

Tracy

On Nov 6, 2006

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Originally posted by lmw: [b]For those who have had reactions to Campbell's soups - are they the red/white condensed soups or the larger, fancy don't-dilute ones? Could there be a difference in the ingredients?[/b]

In our case, it was the Campbell's condensed soup (10.5 ounces I believe) with the signature white and red label.

On Nov 6, 2006

So for those of you who have had/children who have had a reaction: do you/they typically react to other legumes like lentils?

This might be important info to have.

On Nov 7, 2006

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Originally posted by McCobbre: [b]So for those of you who have had/children who have had a reaction: do you/they typically react to other legumes like lentils?[/b]

Nope. But it's possible that she's developed a new allergy to them though. My hunch is that the soy protein concentrate is cross contaminated with peanut. But I'd predict that our allergist will be suggesting some further SPTing on Mariah.

Update: A rep from Campbell's "Consumer Response Center" who works in the "Special Procedures Unit" called this morning. She asked me to send in the can for testing at their lab, which is located in-house at their "World Headquarters". I told her that I had already sent it to the FARRP laboratory at the University of Nebraska for testing.

I gave the Campbell's rep the contact person and phone number of the FARRP lab. Then I called the FARRP lab and requested that they save/send the can to Campbell's after they complete their testing.

I also requested Campbell's to test another can from that same lot.

In our conversation, the Rep stated that no similar reactions have been reported to them.

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On Nov 7, 2006

Glad you found another can so you can get it tested!

On Nov 7, 2006

Gail W., wow, what a lot to go through! First of all, I don't think it's unusual that you threw the can out.

I can only highly commend you for following up with both FAAN and Campbell's because I know when a reaction has happened with Jesse, I'm thinking about the reaction and then thinking about getting the food OUT of the house (i.e., garbage). Not thinking further about sending the food to be tested or reporting it to anyone or anything. Wondering if that's why Campbell's may not have any other reported reactions on file?

I also think especially if it has been a lot time between reactions, you just wouldn't think about saving a can (or not placing it in the trash - I put my soup cans in the recycle while the soup is heating so therefore before it's eaten and any reaction may occur).

I appreciate your post because it is a wonderful reminder to all of us that when our child has a reaction, we have a duty, I think not only to our PA child, but to the PA community to report the reaction (to someone) and also send the food for testing. I have reported reactions to Anaphylaxis Canada (posted about here), but I've never sent food for testing and I do think that's very very important.

So, thank-you. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Nov 7, 2006

Thank you Cindy. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

I agree. When this happened with Mariah, I remembered Carefulmom's situation that she posted about here. Carefulmom's DD had reactions to Van DeKamps rolls and the company stated repeatedly to her that there was no milk. She sent it for testing and there was, in fact, undeclared milk. Reading her thread made a big impression on me, so much so that I remembered to pull the can out of the trash. I think reading about situations like this does help us to remember what we can do. At least it did for me.

BTW, the laboratory in Nebraska does not charge [i]anything.[/i] It's a service they offer free of charge. All you do is go to their website and download their form to indicate what you want the sample tested for. But you must call ahead so that they can give you the details, including if you need to send it on ice and overnight it. So it only costs the price of postage (only around $8 for me since I didn't need to overnight it). The woman at the laboratory has been really, really wonderful. Here's a link: [url="http://www.farrp.org/analysis.htm"]http://www.farrp.org/analysis.htm[/url]

Now the FDA, on the other hand, has been impossible to reach. I've left 3 messages. . . 2 at my 'area office' and another one at their headquarters. No one has called me back.

On Nov 7, 2006

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Originally posted by McCobbre: [b]So for those of you who have had/children who have had a reaction: do you/they typically react to other legumes like lentils?

[/b]

Odd things started happening to my oldest cub when eating certain Campbell's soups. We quit using them. I attributed it to a "cross contamination" issue involving lentils (he has had anaphylaxis to them) or some other legume. He also has aversions to several other legumes and projectile vomitted across the dinner table when I placed refried beans (Old El Paso) on his plate.

Could all be coincidence, no advice, but wondering how the lab results will return...

Give Mariah a hug from me and the cubs. (Boochie sends a slobber. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] )

On Nov 8, 2006

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Originally posted by MommaBear: [b]Could all be coincidence, no advice, but wondering how the lab results will return...[/b]

The lab is able to test for peanut plus almond, hazelnut, and pecan. Mariah is very allergic to walnut, but the lab does not offer testing for walnut. Nor any legumes.

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Originally posted by MommaBear: [b]Give Mariah a hug from me and the cubs. (Boochie sends a slobber. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] ) [/b]

Will do. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Nov 8, 2006

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...very allergic to walnut...

Boy does THAT catch my eye. Coincidence? Perhaps.... but that is the only allergy DH knows he has that could possibly have accounted for his RXN to that Campbell's soup. This was two different occasions, same type of soup. He's eaten Progresso and other brands without incident. But he definitely isn't a person who has frequent hives. These were the two times I can recall, in fact, in over ten years.

On Nov 8, 2006

Hi Gail - Did they say about how long it would take before you get the testing results? How is Mariah doing? I still can't believe all the reaction stories from Campbell's soup! Brandon doesn't like soup; probably a good thing!!

Let me know how things are going!

Hugs, Tracy

On Nov 8, 2006

Hi CorvallisMom, That's interesting about walnuts. I saw your DH reacted to Campbell's soup with wild rice. For some reason, I associate walnuts with wild rice. Like a rice pilaf type dish. KWIM?

Hey Tracy. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] The testing will take one to two weeks. I don't think they'll find anything because they can't test the original can she ate from (because I put it in the trash). But who knows.

Mariah was fine that same night. Her symptoms resolved fairly quickly. . . within an hour. Of course we 'hovered', and DH actually stayed in her room all night and I kept her home from school the next day. Just because.

I'm trying to spin this experience into something positive. But I'm not quite there yet. LOL. Because Mariah continues to have contact reactions, we knew she was still highly allergic. But still, this was a shock. It's been such a long time since she's had an ingestion reaction. . . 8 years. It's not that I thought her allergy was any less 'severe' or anything, but we're always so careful and that's become routine. I'm feeling that same depression that I felt those first years of managing this. Hard to explain. . .

I think I should try to comment on how DH and I responded that night. Namely, that we did not administer the epi-pen. I sorta thought, kinda expected, and actually sorta [i]hoped[/i] that readers would comment that this was a situation in which an epi-pen should have been administered. Because her symptoms resolved, it wasn't necessary. But we know that only in hindsight. If you look at Mariah's symptoms on the "grading chart", her 'throat itchiness' is the first symptoms (in bold) which indicates the use of an epi-pen. I definitely learned something from this experience. And I'm grateful that this was a wake up call for that. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Nov 9, 2006

I'm very glad she's okay-- and I am also glad that you are not beating yourself up over not administering Epi.

If we did that every time DD had those same symptoms, she'd spend time in the ER on a monthly basis. So we tend to do what you did. (right or wrong) Sometimes we wonder in hindsight how dangerous that decision is, but at the time, we just follow our gut instincts. hugs}}

We eat a lot of wild rice, btw. DH loves it. So I don't want people with TNA to be scared off of it-- though it is certainly paired up with tn a bit too frequently when eating out!

On Nov 9, 2006

Gail you have a big number after your name and always present with well thought out ideas. I wanted to say something about the epi pen but I am not a fan of "soulda couldas...."

I did notice you tried to not say "wait and see" but you kind of did when you said your DH is a physician.

I might have said something if you had only a few numbers after your name KWIM?

However I do feel I let this one drop and maybe for the benefit of those with little experience I SHOULD have said something.

I would have used the epi because the scratchy throat scared me. I also would have outruled my DH who is also a physician. DS and I outruled him during DS First reaction. DH wanted us to go to the pediatrician and I stage whispered at him "He'll DIE in the waiting room"

At that point DS said "DO I have to go to the hospital?" and both DH and I said YES in Unison.

It is tough to outrule a physician husband when you love and trust him. I'll bet you will be OK with that now and maybe someday take Mariah aside and tell her you knew daddy had a good handle on things. But (how do you say this without saying BUT?) next time we are going to use the epi just to be safe. And go to the ER.

Honestly I don't think a good handle on a reaction is good enough but now Mariah can know she has the power to outrule anyone, daddy, mommy or a teacher too.

This is how we learn right? I mean we took DS in the car three times for ingestion reactions. How misguided we were but DH is thinking money/ambulance/fuss and I am thinking make a big fuss/ spend all we have/ save his life. We are both on the same page but diffrent chapters.

And as an aside I always worry about that allergen making it's way through 40 feet of intestine and being absorbed all the way. What is that doing to my son. I say that in the ER to let the doc know I KNOW and all three times they said "HMMMMM" OK we'll put him on a week of steroids. I let them know what I am thinking and what I want to happen and they agreed with me all three times.

Ingestion reactions scare me the most.

Peg

On Nov 9, 2006

My kids are grown. They are my first and second children right? W

hen they were young teens and would ask permission to do something like ride in a car driven by another teenager I would say "Listen forgive me this is my FIRST TIME dealing with this sort of thing"

And I would think out loud my objections. NO WAY JOSE but I let them know how and why I made that decision.

Geez they have to know if you are my firstborn I am as new to this as you are but I have the biggest vote, daddy and I do. Your vote comes second for this opportunity.

So it seems to me it is perfectly OK to explain to a child that mom and dad are also new at this PA stuff and we are going to err on the side of caution every time.

We are all learning every day. Mom and dad are not finished learning and some day we will be learning from you.

That is a fact. I learn from my children every day. Once in a while I will say "**** off college boy/girl" if one of them is spouting off some coffee shop wisdom and we all laugh and get over it.

Peg

On Nov 9, 2006

Thanks Corvallis Mom and Peg. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Peg, I knew you related and I knew what you thought. Thank you for saying it. I needed you to say it for others to benefit.

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Originally posted by Peg541: [b]I would have used the epi because the scratchy throat scared me. I also would have outruled my DH who is also a physician. [/b]

[i]Thank you.[/i]

I also knew that you didn't initially say this. . . well, out of the respect that you show every poster here. Thank you for that too.

But it needed to be said. 'Wait and see' was exactly what we did, and that was wrong. Even with the good outcome. I don't want anyone reading here to come to any other conclusion. I witnessed my DD stating she had a scratchy throat and witnessed her having shallow breathing. Yet I allowed my DH and Mariah to 'out voted' me.

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Originally posted by Peg541: [b]I would have used the epi because the scratchy throat scared me. I also would have outruled my DH who is also a physician. [/b]

Worth repeating. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Live and learn. Learn and live.

On Nov 10, 2006

interesting list on the FDA's website regarding Campbell's soup: [url="http://google2.fda.gov/search?output=xml_no_dtd&oe=&lr=&proxystylesheet=FDA&client=FDA&site=FDA&getfields=*&q=Campbell%27s+soup&as=Search"]http://google2.fda.gov/search?output=xml...+soup&as=Search[/url]

On Nov 10, 2006

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Originally posted by Gail W: [b]interesting list on the FDA's website regarding Campbell's soup: [url="http://google2.fda.gov/search?output=xml_no_dtd&oe=&lr=&proxystylesheet=FDA&client=FDA&site=FDA&getfields=*&q=Campbell%27s+soup&as=Search"]http://google2.fda.gov/search?output= xm...+soup&as=Search[/url] [/b]

Were there specific links there you were interested in or just the sheer number of them listed? I clicked on a couple, saw they use genetically modified produce and that there was a recall earlier due to shellfish protein in the cream of mushroom soup and once because they actually had clam chowder in a cream of mushroom soup container.

Is Mariah allergic to shellfish by any chance?

What's also disturbing are the other things listed for recall on those lists. Blood platlets, allergen patch tests, cardiac equipment...eek.

On Nov 11, 2006

I'm glad Mariah is OK. I know this sounds odd, but could she be allergic to potatos? My DD seems to be allergic to potatos. I don't let her eat them anymore, but when she did, she would get a tightening in her jaws. The way I would describe it is like that tightening you felt when you were a kid and you had the mumps. She's tried fried, baked, mashed, still gets that same feeling.

I asked her doc (well, it was the nurse practioner who gave her check up this year) and she said it was odd, but just avoid them. I didn't have her tested. Next time I retest her, I'll have them add potatos.

I also know what it feels like to have your DH "out vote" you. But, yours being a physician, I would've felt a little better with his decision as he probably knows more.

When my DD had her reaction at 2, my DH did not want to call an ambulance (didn't give Epi at the time) and insisted he drive her to the ER. That was a BIG mistake. We were both new to the allergy and very uneducated about the whole thing including how and when to use the Epi. Now, we know better. It is a tough call tho.

On Nov 11, 2006

As to what LindaJo says above me. Actually a physician can see the symptoms but he/she cannot predict how fast things are going to go.

Anaphylaxis is a catastrophic event and comes on very quickly or very slowly. You never know.

And no one, not a physician or a mother or a teacher can do CPR on a person whose airway is CLOSED OFF by swelling and hives. It just is not possible. Scratchy throat = something in the airway like swelling or hives.

That is why epi pens were invented so people could treat themselves with the most effective emergency medication IMMEDIATELY and then get further help.

Gail you were correct to question yourself. And you and I both know doctors are just humans and make mistakes too. They also don't want to make too much of a fuss and they think they may have a handle on things but in actual fact we do a disservice to our kids by admitting this.

Epinephrine is produced by the body. An unnecessary dose of epinephrine in an epi pen will cause a fast heartbeat, cold hands and feet and maybe some tremors. All normal and all survivable. But a MISSED dose of epinephrine will cause a whole heck of a lot more.

If our kids think their doctor daddies are going to save them without epi pens then they are going to "wait and see" some day when they are reacting and things will get out of hand.

And I am now going to say what I hate to say. Take a look at some of the stories in the Memoriam thread.

Peggy

On Nov 13, 2006

I received the lab results today. The unopened can from the same lot tested [b]negative [/b]to pecan, almond, hazelnut, walnut and peanut. (They tested for walnut though it was not an option on the form.)

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On Nov 13, 2006

Hrrmmm....

Are you going to chalk it up as another mystery reaction or take Mariah in for more testing?

Cathy

On Nov 13, 2006

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Originally posted by Momcat: [b]Are you going to chalk it up as another mystery reaction or take Mariah in for more testing?

Cathy[/b]

I don't know. I'm feeling discouraged. IMO this was a significant reaction in terms of symptoms, and because she hasn't had an ingestion reaction in such a long time that it also feels significant in terms of 'history'.

I forwarded an electronic copy of the lab results to our allergist, who happens to be at National Jewish in Denver this week. He responded, [i]"I guess that we could test for other allergens, but it would be searching for a needle in a hay stack and unlikely to be useful. I will send your email on to (a big gun at National Jewish) and get advice, but don't be discouraged if there is nothing forthcoming."[/i]

Right now I'm feeling angry at all the ambiguity. If it were me, I'd like to have further testing because I tend to look for needles. . . usually with stubborn determination. I'm curious to see a CAP RAST level for soy. But being that Mariah is turning 13 (on Thursday actually), it will largely depend on what she wants to do.

What would you do if you were in my shoes?

On Nov 13, 2006

Gail,

If she were allergic to soy, she would probably be reacting frequently, not just to that specific can of soup. Does she normally eat shellfish? I would think that shellfish cross-contamination would be possible.

Will they be testing the can that she ate for the nuts and peanut?

On Nov 13, 2006

Gail,

Forgive my memory, but don't RAST levels usually spike after a reaction? Could give you some clues if you run some of the ingredients in the soup.

Did she have anything else that evening? Something to drink? Just brainstorming... [i]Not like you haven't done this already yourself.[/i]

Take care, Daisy

On Nov 13, 2006

Hi Gail - I'm sorry you didn't find the answer to Mariah's reaction. I can imagine how frustrated you must feel. I hope you can figure out the reason she reacted at some point to help put your mind at ease.

Hugs, Tracy

On Nov 13, 2006

Hi Naturemom. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] She's had other reactions that we presumed were from peanut contact, but they could have been from soy. <> I don't know. I feel desperate for answers. I went back to the link of Campbell's soup recalls and also the Campbell's soup website. . . and also thought about shellfish too. To my knowledge, she has never eaten shellfish, though I've had some in our home.

No, they won't test the opened can. I wish they would. I asked them repeatedly on the phone, and was told that they wouldn't due to their practice standards. They were very clear about that before I sent it. They used the open can only for the purpose of comparing the production code to the new unopened can code.

Here is the full text of the letter:

[i]November 13, 2006

Dear Ms. W,

My laboratory received the open can of soup that you retrieved from the trash and the unopened can of soup on Wednesday, November 8, 2006. Both samples are identical products with the same production codes. We did not test the empty can of soup due to the risk that the sample could be compromised.

The laboratory has completed testing on the unopened can of Campbell's Condensed Soup, Cream of Potato, with a production code of (blue print) Jun 23 2006, CU YL, R4 06236 0008, (red ink) JUN 22 2008 OU YL, R4, 06236 2151. The laboratory tested the unopened soup for peanut, almond, hazelnut, pecan and walnut using specific commercial and FARRP proprietary methods specific for trace amounts of these foods.

The soup was negative for the presence of any of these foods.

I am sorry that we could not assist you in finding out what caused your daughter's reaction. Please do not hesitate to contact me for any assistance we can give you in the future at (phone number and e-mail address).

Sincerely,

Steve Taylor, Ph.D. Professor and Director Food Allergy Research and Resource Program University of Nebraska

The information, advice and opinions provided by a University of Nebraska employee represent the best judgment of the employee at that time, but should not be considered legal advice on any local, state, federal or international regulation or statute. We encourage you to contact the applicable regulatory agency and/or qualified attorney to confirm the information presented in this correspondence.[/i]

Daisy, thanks for your ideas. I've wracked by brain. She hadn't had anything for a couple hours prior to the soup. And she began reacting almost immediately. No crackers; water to drink. Now my memory has faded, but there wasn't anything unusual that we had in our home. It seemed clear at the time that it was the soup. . .

Now I'm really wondering about shellfish. . .

On Nov 13, 2006

It may not be worth it to RAST for everything under the sun, but it is certainly reasonable to do soy and shellfish because those are top 8 suspects and could have been in the soup. It would be good to eliminate them at the very least.

I'm with you [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] ! I always want more info and will doggedly search for needles...

DS once reacted to a popsicle. I sent it in for testing and the whole bit. Never figured anything out, but I felt I at least had to try to figure it out.

Cathy

On Nov 13, 2006

Gail,

If they still have the soup, and I'm assuming they keep it for a period of time for any re-testing, could you request testing for shellfish?

Looks like this would be cross-contaminated for shellfish much more easily than for nuts. [b]Did you ask the Campbell's Rep exactly what other soups are processed on this line?[/b] Would be interesting to know; might narrow down your choices for RAST.

I raised this question on the Off Topic "Shellfish" thread recently. I'm a canary for shellfish; inhalant reactions in restaurants and reactions to Pizza Hut sauce (which has a 'processed in' warning), among others.

I'm still new to worrying about cross-contamination so after seeing your Campbell's Soup thread I looked at the other "Cream of..." soups they make. Sure enough, Cream of Shrimp of one of them.

I have used Cream of Chicken for years for my turkey pie. (I am still somewhat GI allergic to chicken and I avoid, but my symptoms are only a tummy ache. Never have been able to re-introduce it into my diet.) But the Cream of Chicken soup has never even given me a tummy ache. And I eat it for a couple of days in a row, lunch and dinner, unless my DH beats me to it! I use one can to about 4 cups of turkey broth. [i]Say it isn't so...[/i]

Could you get your Ped to order a RAST panel if your allergist isn't thrilled about ordering? Depending upon the lab your Doc uses, you can look on the lab website for specific RAST testing available in your area or look at the laboratory's Directory of Service manual at the Doc's office.

Happy Birthday to Mariah, Daisy

On Nov 13, 2006

Honestly? I think it would be a really really good idea to get Mariah tested for shellfish. Even if it WASN'T a shellfish cross-contam. issue with the soup, Mariah is at an age where she is going to start wanting to go out with friends for fun. She NEEDS to know. It is one thing to sit with friends in a restaurant and not order anything because there are peanuts in the menu. But shellfish...shellfish steam travels everywhere. And many restaurants serve it. The last thing you (and Mariah) to want happen is for her to find out she's shellfish allergic when her and her friends walk into Red Lobster for dinner. Also, even if she never becomes airborne allergic to shellfish, if she is SFA and she goes on a date and the boy orders crab legs, or lobster, or shrimp...ugh.

I went through my teens not knowing if I was SFA or not (it was just assumed I was), and now that I know that I'm actually NOT, it's sad looking back thinking how many times I had to stay home because I didn't think I could eat at the restaurant my group of friends went to almost 3 times a week. So if she ends up not being SFA, the test will still be worth it because she won't be worrying for nothing!

On Nov 14, 2006

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Originally posted by Daisy: Looks like this would be cross-contaminated for shellfish much more easily than for nuts. [b]Did you ask the Campbell's Rep exactly what other soups are processed on this line?[/b] Would be interesting to know; might narrow down your choices for RAST.

I hadn't thought to ask. I will today. Thank you!

And starlight, I agree it would be a good idea for Mariah to be tested for shellfish. Thank you for bringing that perspective. She has already started to go out on her own. As Momcat pointed out also, she doesn't need to be tested to everything, but perhaps a couple select allergens.

Thank you all.

On Nov 16, 2006

Are you going to test her for lentils, garbanzos/chickpeas, and some other legumes?

Seems more probable, given it's a [i]soup[/i] and those aren't things a company might label as "may contain" or "manufactured on" since they aren't a "BIG 8", but I could be wrong on all counts, KWIM?

On Nov 16, 2006

Gail, I'm so sorry that you didn't get an answer as to what caused Mariah's reaction.

I know that with the last two reactions Jesse had (one of which was anaphylactic), it was suggested to me by Anaphylaxis Canada that he had developed a soy allergy, but as someone else said above, if it was soy, the kids would be reacting far more frequently.

I also discovered in September month, when Jesse ate a different brand of soy burger that he was fine - no reaction.

I would have to agree with most everyone else and see if your allergist will test for the shellfish - although I'd feel even better if Campbell's would test that can of soup that Mariah actually ate from.

Jess had the one "mystery" reaction, which was his last anaphylactic reaction (touch wood), four years ago, and it took me 1-1/2 YEARS to figure it out as best I could (that it was cross contamination ingestion and not residue).

I just find mystery reactions SO frustrating! I can well imagine how you feel, especially because you did everything "right" - contacting everyone and having the food tested.

Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Nov 16, 2006

MB, lentils is a good idea.

The FARRP lab is holding on to both cans until our allergist decides if he wants further testing on Mariah and/or the soup. Campbell's has requested the cans, and FARRP will mail them to Campbell's, but we'll wait to send them until after Mariah has had any testing first. If she has testing and tests positive to something that is not declared on the labeling, then we might have the product tested for that allergen.

Campbell's will not give me any additional information regarding what is included in their "flavorings" because it is considered "proprietary", BUT they will provide the information directly to our allergist. They insist that if one of the top 8 is in their flavorings that it would be declared on the label as mandated by FALCP. So once our allergist gets info from Campbell's re the "flavorings" we'll decide what/if testing Mariah will have.

I've asked Campbell's for, but have not received, information regarding what other products are made on those same lines. Campbell's said that they would investigate that question and get back to me, but they haven't as of today. It's only been 2 days though. . . This may also provide information that could be used for testing.

FARRP released the lab results to the FDA. And Darcy from FAAN has called back to stay in touch.

I've been very grateful to everyone involved. . . the people at the FARRP lab have been absolutely wonderful, FAAN has been supportive, Campbell's has been responsive, and the FDA has followed up. Our allergist continues to be a genuine partner. Posters here have helped me sort through the experience and helped me think through possible culprits. All in all, the process has been very positive.

I just wish/hope an answer is forthcoming. <> But I'm starting to sense that there may not be.

So that's where we're at...

Thanks everyone. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Nov 16, 2006

Hi Cindy. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] We were posting at the same time.

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Originally posted by Alternative to Mainstream: [b]I just find mystery reactions SO frustrating! I can well imagine how you feel, especially because you did everything "right" - contacting everyone and having the food tested.[/b]

It is frustrating. I'm not good with ambiguity.

But I didn't do everything "right" because I threw the can in the trash. The FARRP lab will not test the original can. <> I don't blame myself, but if there is a 'next time' I will remember this frustration and will know better.

Thanks for checking in on me. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

On Nov 16, 2006

Just one more thought on this subject...

I have to wonder what the limit of detection is on the analysis. The reason that I ask is that Dr. Taylor's lab was originally of the opinion that heat refining of peanut oil left "no protein" in the oil. I communicated several times with Dr. Taylor about what the actual quantitative value was-- and it wasn't "zero." He just didn't think it was "enough."

I say this because I am absolutely certain that DH's two reactions were not from soy, and he has no other known FA that are capable of inducing that kind of reaction... other than walnuts.

I really cannot fathom how a can of soup could have contained them, but there it is.

Then again, you'd probably know if she were that sensitive to walnuts, right?

I hate mystery reactions too.

On Nov 16, 2006

Corvallis Mom, Mariah had an anaphylactic reaction to a blueberry muffin. Her symptoms were mostly GI, which was different from her previous anaphylactic reaction to peanut which was mainly respiratory symptoms. We thought/think the muffin was cross contaminated with walnut. But we don't know for sure.

I spoke with the supervisor at Campbell's this morning. I feel a shift in their position.

She told me that Campbell's no longer wants the can(s) because FARRP has already tested them and the results were negative. Her statement seemed to indicate that if they had tested positive, they would have wanted them for retesting.

She assured me, repeatedly, that there was 'no possible chance' of cross contamination from the lines due to their cleaning procedures. I asked about possible shellfish cc, lentils, peas, etc. "No." She stated how closely they work with FAAN, and that they clean their lines extremely well due to the training they've received from FAAN re CC. They require their sub-suppliers to supply them with evidence that there is no cc as well. She was adamant. (I was wondering why, then, did they want to test the can?)

She also repeatedly stated that 'flavorings' would not include any of the major allergens, but included ingredients such as garlic, onion and parsley. However, she is available if our allergist would like to like to speak to her regarding their proprietary flavorings.

She went on to say that she thought at this point it would be best if we worked with our allergist and for Mariah to undergo additional testing. I said that may be the direction our allergist would go, but that I'd like Campbell's to cooperate so that we could narrow the testing down. It seemed pretty clear that while she was amenable to speaking with the allergist, that she didn't see any point to it.

<> I think she said the phrase "due diligence" about 4 or 5 times.

Oh, and she also made a statement that the reaction 'couldn't have been that serious' if we didn't treat her with the epi-pen.

So, now that Campbell's and the FDA have the negative lab results, I think they're finished.

On Nov 16, 2006

I just saw this thread, since I don`t usually come to this part of the board. Having sent items off for testing several times, I have to say that dd`s allergist always tells me a test on food is helpful only if positive. Dd`s allergist says that a negative test means nothing. The reason is that if it is cross contaminated, the part she ate may have peanut protein and not the part that remains and gets tested. So you really don`t know anything about the part she ate (not to mention that they would not test the exact can she ate the soup from). Also want to comment that over the weekend dd and I ate some Campbells Bean and Bacon Soup that had two peas which were not supposed to be in there. It never had peas before and the ingredient list did not list peas. Sounds like they are not very careful. One more thing, about Campbells wanting to test it themselves if FARRP found it to test positive, but not if FARRP found it to be negative. What does that say? They aren`t really concerned with finding out the truth, they just want to retest it if it tests positive so they can use a higher cutoff and say it is negative. It is hardly an unbiased test if the company that made it tests it. This is why when dd had the reaction last Sunday after eating the Divvies chocolate chips that I would not send it for testing where Divvies wanted it sent. Better to use the FARRP in Nebraska like you did. They are unbiased and accurate.

On Nov 16, 2006

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Originally posted by Carefulmom: [b]Dd`s allergist says that a negative test means nothing. The reason is that if it is cross contaminated, the part she ate may have peanut protein and not the part that remains and gets tested. So you really don`t know anything about the part she ate (not to mention that they would not test the exact can she ate the soup from). [/b]

This is essentially what our allergist says as well. Still worthwhile to test, of course, as a 'positive' would seem to provide an answer.

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Originally posted by Carefulmom: [b]Also want to comment that over the weekend dd and I ate some Campbells Bean and Bacon Soup that had two peas which were not supposed to be in there. It never had peas before and the ingredient list did not list peas. Sounds like they are not very careful. [/b]

Indeed. I specifically asked about the possibility of peas. She stated that there was 'no possibility' that the soup could be cc with peas. She described their cleaning process. Unless those are underdeveloped beans, it seems Campbell's is wrong.

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Originally posted by Carefulmom: [b]One more thing, about Campbells wanting to test it themselves if FARRP found it to test positive, but not if FARRP found it to be negative. What does that say? They aren`t really concerned with finding out the truth, they just want to retest it if it tests positive so they can use a higher cutoff and say it is negative. It is hardly an unbiased test if the company that made it tests it. [/b]

In fairness to Campbell's, they don't do in-house testing. I was originally told that they did, and I was asked to send it to their world headquarters. Then later I was told that they send it out for testing, and that it would be [i]sent out [/i]from their world headquarters (not tested there). The FARRP lab is one laboratory that Campbell's uses.

But still, since the lot sample tested negative to nuts, Campbell's appears to have closed our file.

On Nov 16, 2006

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Originally posted by Gail W: [b] But still, since the lot sample tested negative to nuts, Campbell's appears to have closed our file.[/b]

It's simply not in their best interest to investigate the matter.

Cathy

On Nov 16, 2006

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Originally posted by Gail W: [b] Oh, and she also made a statement that the reaction 'couldn't have been that serious' if we didn't treat her with the epi-pen.

[/b]

**** ***.

This is like saying: "Tossing a baby from a second story window isn't that serious as long as the person you toss them to catches them."

"Rolling your car three times in an accident isn't *that serious* unless you are injured in the process."

Any others?

On Nov 16, 2006

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Originally posted by Gail W: [b]Campbell's has requested the cans, [/b]

I bet they have.

On Nov 16, 2006

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Originally posted by Gail W: [b]...She assured me, repeatedly, that there was 'no possible chance' of cross contamination from the lines due to their cleaning procedures. I asked about possible shellfish cc, lentils, peas, etc. "No." She stated how closely they work with FAAN, and that they clean their lines extremely well due to the training they've received from FAAN re CC. They require their sub-suppliers to supply them with evidence that there is no cc as well. She was adamant. (I was wondering why, then, did they want to test the can?)... [/b]

D@mn, and I was hoping to have you do my "dirty work" for me. I will wait a week or so and call about the Cr of Chicken soup. [i]I've so been wanting/craving a turkey pie lately.[/i]

Who cares if they *clean* the lines, you asked specifically what other soups were processed on the lines? [i]They didn't answer your question? Perhaps they don't need our business? [/i]

Hopefully your allergist will be able to resolve something. This was a strong enough reaction, that you would not want this to happen again, especially away from Mom and Dad.

Take care, Daisy

On Nov 16, 2006

Gail, I know how you feel. I know when my ds had the reaction after eating those cookies, I was sure it was cc. It was actually kind of disappointing to get negative test results. I know that sounds weird, but you just seem sure that has to be it and then you find out you have no idea what caused it.

I hope you get to the bottom of it.

On Nov 16, 2006

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Originally posted by Gail W: [b] But still, since the lot sample tested negative to nuts, Campbell's appears to have closed our file.[/b]

[i]mwahahahahaha.........[/i]

apparently Gail, Campbell's doesn't know you are "the velvet hammer".

On Nov 17, 2006

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Originally posted by Momcat: [b] It's simply not in their best interest to investigate the matter.

Cathy[/b]

I think that's exactly right.

So no, they don't want the cans now. They've met their obligation. Any further investigation might only lead to finding 'positive' results to undeclared ingredients.

[i]Before[/i] the test results were in, they wanted the cans, they were understanding and sympathetic. If I had sent them the cans, initially, instead of sending them directly to FARRP myself, the results would be the same of course, but Campbell's would have been the 'client' and would have controlled the process. They also would have controlled the dissemination of information. If the soup had tested positive, I think they probably would have had them retested. And I could have been told, for exmple, that testing wasn't "completed."

I wonder if I hadn't been so quick to share that the results were negative, that perhaps Campbell's would be more [i]willing[/i] to share information that now appears to be unavailable. E.g. what else they produce on those same lines, what (exactly) are in the flavorings. Part of me regrets not holding on to the results a bit longer until Campbell's answered those questions first. Now, they've taken the position that perhaps the reaction wasn't so significant after all, and that Mariah should 'just' get retested for everything. They don't seem very interested in helping me narrow that field down. Grrrr..... We'll see if our allergist is willing to make any headway with them.

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Originally posted by momma2boys: [b]I know when my ds had the reaction after eating those cookies, I was sure it was cc. It was actually kind of disappointing to get negative test results. I know that sounds weird, but you just seem sure that has to be it and then you find out you have no idea what caused it.[/b]

Yep. I'm grateful that Carefulmom has actually seen a Campbell's soup with an undeclared ingredient. It infuriates me that I specifically asked about peas, and she said that "NO", it was not possible that peas could end up in a soup where it was not an intended ingredient. It shows, at the very least, that the cross contamination [i]does exist,[/i] despite the Rep firmly and repeatedly declaring to me that it wasn't possible.

<>

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On Nov 17, 2006

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Originally posted by MommaBear: [b]apparently Gail, Campbell's doesn't know you are "the velvet hammer".

[/b]

. . . feeling a bit more like a rubber doormat at the moment. LOL!

On Nov 17, 2006

Here`s a thought. I am not recommending that anyone do this; it is just a thought. If you had any leftover soup, you or your allergist could do a "skin test" with the soup. Put a little on her arm and see if she has a reaction where it touched her. I suppose this could be considered an exposure, but I have already thought of doing it after dd`s reaction last Sunday. I had thought of doing a "skin test" with the Divvies chocolate chips on one area and the Bisquick on another to see which caused the reaction. In our case, I suspect milk not peanuts. I don`t think I would be so quick to do it at home if I suspected peanuts or tree nuts. But doing it in the allergist`s office seems very safe, especially if your child eats several things, has a reaction and you don`t know which item caused it.

On Nov 17, 2006

I've done the at home "skin test." We were eating a meal and she complained that the peas had peanuts in them. I didn't want to start forcing her to "EAT YOUR PEAS!!!" if they really were hurting her. I dabbed a bit of all her food from the meal on different parts of her body. She got hives from the peas. RAST class 3.

Looking back, I can't believe I did that. Seems so dangerous. But, at the time, I couldn't even fathom that she was allergic to peas.

besides, wouldn't the "skin test at the dinner table" only work if they are contact sensitive?

On Nov 17, 2006

Stephi, if you react from contact, does that mean you willl also react from ingestion? There are so many unknowns.

On Nov 17, 2006

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Stephi, if you react from contact, does that mean you willl also react from ingestion? There are so many unknowns

Like most things concerning allergies------ I have nooooo idea.

But the fact that the pea touching her skin made her have a hive, I would assume it would have the same kind of effect on her "insides." KWIM? hives in mouth, at least, I would think.

She reacted to the pea (via contact), and tested positive on the RAST. (although she did test negative to the SPT) I have to wonder, though, that she must have had some sort of previous reaction (contact, ingestion?) to pea that I completely overlooked. How else would she come up with the "peas have peanut butter" statement?

So, I guess, the answer to your question is I have no idea what her ingestion reaction (if any) would be like. Allergist wants to wait until she's older and more verbal to do an oral challenge.

For me, I like to look at the whole equation. reaction history + test results. You could come back with a list of a million foods from a test that you're "allergic" too, but then never have a reaction.

So, we avoid the pea--- even though we don't really know if its really any danger to her at all. Better to err on the side of caution, right?

On Dec 14, 2006

Just wanted to let everyone know that I heard back from Campbell`s regarding the pea I found in the Bean and Bacon Soup. It has never had peas before and the ingredients did not list peas. Plus there were only two peas in the entire can, so it appeared to be a mistake. They asked me to send it to them for testing. I sent it for testing and just heard back. My letter says that their "food technologists confirmed the object to be a pea". They offerred no explanation and sent me some coupons. I would really really like to know how it got in there.

On Dec 14, 2006

Aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is so frustrating!!@!!

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Originally posted by Gail W: She assured me, repeatedly, that there was 'no possible chance' of cross contamination from the lines due to their cleaning procedures. I asked about possible shellfish cc, lentils,[b] peas, [/b]etc. "No." She stated how closely they work with FAAN, and that they clean their lines extremely well due to the training they've received from FAAN re CC. They require their sub-suppliers to supply them with evidence that there is no cc as well. She was adamant. (I was wondering why, then, did they want to test the can?)

Carefulmom, would you be willing to fax your letter from Campbell's to FAAN and ask them (maybe Darcy) what is the appropriate course of action? I understand that peas are in the top 8 but still, wouldn't some type of 'notice' be appropriate in this circumstance?

Grrr!! [i]"No possible chance." [/i] I'm furious.

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On Dec 15, 2006

Gail W., I emailed you last night--did you receive it? If you want, I will fax you the letter. I called Campbell`s this morning and left a message for Elizabeth. I have not heard back. If you want I can call FAAN next week. Dd`s egg challenge is Monday. If you want, I can call FAAN Tuesday. I was hoping to hear back from Elizabeth at Campbell`s that maybe they are trying to figure out how the pea got there.

On Dec 19, 2006

Okay, spoke with Elizabeth at Campbell`s finally. She really did not seem at all concerned at how the pea got in there, and said it is "proprietary information". (I am so sick of that phrase). She was speechless when I asked if they were going to do a recall. After a long silence, she said no, because I was the only person to report this. Meanwhile, today dd ate some Campbell`s Double Noodle Soup and she found a star in there, clearly cross contamination from Campbell`s Chicken and Stars. Here we go again.....

Gail W., do you want me to call FAAN about the pea?

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On Dec 20, 2006

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Originally posted by Carefulmom: [b]Gail W., do you want me to call FAAN about the pea? [/b]

Yes, please, if you can find the time that would be great. I think FAAN should be aware of this. It's possible that they may be aware of another similar incident.

On Jan 3, 2007

Okay, I finally had the time to call FAAN. It seems like with the 3 hour time difference every time I had a chance to call was when they would be out to lunch or else when they were already gone for the day. I spoke with Deb who is great. She is the one I spoke with when we had the Van De Kamps incident. Deb told me to report it to the FDA. I don`t know why I did not think of that. So I called the FDA and left a message, have not heard back yet. I have a feeling the FDA will not do anything unless there is a reported reaction due to the pea. We`ll see.

On Jan 9, 2007

I heard back from the FDA yesterday. She took a report and said it is up to her supervisor whether it gets investigated or not. They wanted information off the can, which I did not have, since Campbells required me to send them the can when it was tested.

On Jan 9, 2007

Thank you so much for your follow through, Carefulmom. I appreciate your updates.

By waltpowell on Oct 19, 2011

I realize this thread is 5 years old now but I wanted to comment in case any others like me are still finding this as a source. I found alot of threads like this one dated from about 2003 to 2007 but I can't find any recent ones. The FAAN has even given Campbell's an award. Which should mean that their soup is safe to eat for us with allegies. I'm here to say that STILL not the case.

I'm 35 and have had peanut allergies my whole life I'm well aware through both testing and trail and error what things I'm allergic to and what degrees of severity each reaction will be. I get anaphylaxis from Peanuts, green beans and peas. I get a less severe mumps, itching, shortness of breath from Tree nuts and chick peas and a mild reaction to coconut but I am not allegic to things cooked in peanut oil (as lond as the oil is refined and not pressed/"gourmet").

Everytime I have a dish that contains cream of mushroom soup I have a reaction that falls into that second category of reactions (mumps,etc). Which means no caserole for me. I'm not allergic to mushrooms, I eat them regularly on pizza and fried at the BBQ joint. I'm also not allergic to soy or dairy or any other thing I haven't listed. For a long time I though I just hated soup but I've realized that it's about a 50/50 shot that I'll have a reaction to anything but Chicken Noodle. I've had reactions to cream of mushroom this year (2011) so campbell's labeling, cross contamination or/and allergen warnings are still not effective as of now.I hope this helps others, you're not crazy it really IS the soup!

On Feb 6, 2007

reraising for nicolimom and gwmom3

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