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Posted on: Sat, 07/29/2006 - 11:03am
MommaBear's picture
Joined: 09/23/2002 - 09:00

Quote:Originally posted by Corvallis Mom:
[b] I ask. Respectfully and politely. [/b]
by golly, so do I. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] And people respond. For some odd reason. I mean, I don't have to negotiate much. Ingratiate. That boundary thing. Like I said, [i]a knack[/i]. Odd, I know, but people don't try to coax that out of, you know, me. Maybe it's a sixth sense type of thing. For them.
That said, there's a lot that makes people tick. Going over their heads before giving them a chance to [i]do the right thing, right off the bat[/i], or even after a fly ball, tends to make people tick. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] I *have* seen people cut off their proverbial nose to spite their face, KWIM? Including [i]higher ups[/i].
And hey, ever hear "familiarity breeds contempt"? My mother used to tell me a sense of indebtedness often breeds something very similiar.
Can backfire, I mean. Not foolproof. A vicious cycle.
Anywhooo I *am* talking about being "polite". Pleasant, even.....
Like I said, maybe it's just me, but no, I'm certainly not referring to being "rude" or "demanding". Just speaking the language. And I've found, [i]people respect that[/i].
Maybe for some reason, [i]people don't want me to ingratiate myself to them[/i]. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] Maybe they just want the strange lady to go away. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] Ya never know. But no, certainly no rude. I tend to talk a lot. I'm a [i]people person[/i]. I like people. And I certainly cringe at the thought of making them feel uncomfortable by being rude, demanding, or uncomfortable.
I never mentioned being rude. It's not how I present [i]facts[/i]. A request. What should be, whatever, ...you know? Did you just assume that's how people approach something if they are not ingratiating themselves?
Personally? I prefer a world where people do what needs doing. For the sake of it. Or even because they enjoy it. It is enjoyable, and hey, people *are* capable of doing the *right* thing even if someone doesn't negotiate/ingratiate/placate in order to have them do it. I can be done, I mean. I've seen it. It *is* [i]possible[/i].
And what you said about "higher ups" may very well be true. But does that necessarily mean they don't know what is *right*? All I know about my "higher ups" is that they invest a helluva lot more of their lives at work than I am willing to. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] More power to them. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] I certainly am not capable of it. I mean, I'm rather selfish that way. So I respect that about people. But I digress....
Either way, did you answer my "nurse" question? I can't remember. (new mother memory loss, I've been told....lol)
But hey, I can't do the ingratiating thing. Really. I can't. Makes me cringe. And I can't ignore what I feel is *right* and what [i]should be[/i]. If people did, that would surely be a loss, wouldn't it? Either way, it's not in me to. That said, I *can* honestly and profusely thank people when I feel the urge. And I do. A lot. I've been told I can be rather pesty. Clingy. [i]Overbearing.[/i] Touchy-feely, but in my later years I've gotten a handle on the slobbering. But it's like serving wine. It's a thing that can't be enjoyed before it's time. KWIM?

Posted on: Sat, 07/29/2006 - 11:06am
MommaBear's picture
Joined: 09/23/2002 - 09:00

oh, but back to my point. [i]It isn't about whether or not someone is denied access to the [b]entire[/b] library.[/i] Or even about the frequency of one's visits. It's about being denied access in any degree, period. And I don't think a disabled person who visits every day somehow is more deserving of accommodation than one who only visits once a month. KWIM?

Posted on: Thu, 08/03/2006 - 10:45am
TRexFamily's picture
Joined: 11/30/2004 - 09:00

Quote:Originally posted by luvmyboys:
[b]I received a response by mail and wondering if I should pursue this further. To paraphrase the written response:
Thank you for your letter...We make every effort to ensure the building is safe and accessible for all....
We do not have control over what individuals eat while using the material once they leave the building...
They do provide hand wipes for children at programs such as "Kibbles and Bits for Children". We are also looking into peanut
butter alternatives...
While every effort is made to make certain programs are available to all, there will be times when it is not feasible, to meet all
needs-for every individual's needs there is a corresponding opposite - do we avoid providing an informative program about
dogs for example, because of allergies to dog fur, denying the benefits of that program to those who have no allergies.
I do appreciate your information and suggestions. While staff took into account such allergies and provided the necessary
warning, you have provided a good reminder that we can always look for an additional solution...
Signed, Executive Director
I was fairly pleased with the response. At least they acknowledged me and I seemed to make some progress and raise awareness. The thing that got me was the part about dogs...please! How many people are anaphylactic to residual dog fur? And if someone in our area was then I guess they need to eliminate dog activities! But how do you equate an informative program about dogs being important for the community with a pnut butter activity being important for the community? Any craft would provide a similar service to the community. However, my goal isn't to get antagonistic...it is to inform..so I am not sure if I should pursue this any furthur.
Interesting logic. The library could present a program about dogs without dogs present. Invite a vet, the local kennel club (group of dog fanciers who join together to put on dog shows), dog trainers etc. No dogs allowed.
However, you didn't ask about dogs and programs. You asked about removing a very common and dangerous food allergen from an activity.
Furthermore, peanuts (or any food) in the library is optional. Service dogs (Seeing Eye and dogs to assist the hearing impaired and people with limited mobility) must be allowed in all public buildings by federal law. Federal law is clear and absolute on that point.
That sally about dogs was just to throw the discussion off track. Logic X, if I recall correctly.

Posted on: Fri, 08/04/2006 - 6:12am
Rosemary S's picture
Joined: 12/31/2005 - 09:00

I am wondering if Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 is what Public Libraries are accountable under. The following link: [url="http://www.ed.gov/policy/rights/guid/ocr/disabilityoverview.html"]http://www.ed.gov/policy/rights/guid/ocr/disabilityoverview.html[/url]
states that OCR is the agency designated by the US DOJ to enforce the regulation under Title II with respect to public educational entities and public libraries. Here

Posted on: Tue, 09/11/2007 - 8:18am
April in KC's picture
Joined: 08/28/2006 - 09:00

Oh boy, my turn. I remember this thread from earlier this year.
I just got a copy of my local library's program for preschoolers. This year, 8 out of 12 events for the year involve a "Food Craft". 8 out of 12. Candy apples (no mention of whether nuts will be used). Dipped marshmallows (dipped in what?). Ghost cookies made with Nutter Butters. Gingerbread houses. The list goes on and on. I have to give the person credit - at least she planned everything in advance and put out a list. It's better this than show up to a surprise week after week.
It is so obvious that food allergy is not on this person's radar that I feel very overwhelmed about how I am going to handle this.
Does anyone remember the percentage of under-5-year-olds who have food allergies? Source?
My 3-1/2 year old would be the one attending the activities. He has Celiac Disease (gluten) and casein intolerance (milk), so most of the crafts involve ingredients he cannot eat (and there's one day to play with Play-Doh, a big no-no for Celiacs). And he does not eat peanuts because of his brother's allergy. My son with the PA also goes to that library, so I am scared to think of the preschoolers eating Nutter Butters.
I don't have a plan. And I want to be nice - so nice. I live in a small community. Honestly, I don't have the cycles to figure out a plan. But I will review this thread.
Wish me luck!

Posted on: Tue, 09/11/2007 - 8:38am
lakeswimr's picture
Joined: 02/01/2007 - 09:00

FAAN says 1 in 17 5 and under now have FAs. Good luck!

Posted on: Tue, 09/11/2007 - 9:49am
booandbrimom's picture
Joined: 08/23/2000 - 09:00

Perhaps you could sponsor an alternative craft day in a room nearby. It would both give your child something to do (and I'm sure there will be overflow from the other activity as well) and make a point.

Posted on: Tue, 09/11/2007 - 10:58am
April in KC's picture
Joined: 08/28/2006 - 09:00

Thanks for the stat. The alternate craft would be a good idea, but "library day" actually occurs during my workday. My son's granny takes him to it.


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