Law & Order - Criminal Intent

Posted on: Sun, 10/13/2002 - 1:07pm
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Tonight, a key part of Law & Order - Criminal Intent (one of the great spin-offs) was the murder of the accomplice.

He died IMMEDIATELY from an anaphylactic reaction after the person had put peanut oil in his nicotine gum. She knew that he would be being interrogated by the police and especially nervous so what better thing to spike with the peanut oil?

However, I think what I found troubling as a PA parent, was that he died IMMEDIATELY. There was no time to administer an Epi-pen even if people had been aware that he needed one. He put the nicotine gum in his mouth and clutched his throat (symptomatic, okay) and then dropped dead.

Again, I am always uncomfortable when a peanut allergy is used (or there was another Law & Order where a latex allergy was used) to kill someone. As I have seen discussed here, we do believe that at least it's getting the information out there somehow. I'm still uncomfortable with it.

That's where I saw peanut allergy used in the Media tonight.

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Posted on: Sun, 10/13/2002 - 11:01pm
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It would be very troubling to have to watch this show,(I didn't see it), but I'm really grateful that they addressed this subject, and that it happened on a drama. One of the greatest obstacles we face is that people just don't believe the allergy is serious. Even those people who say "I know it's serious but..." are just mouthing the words. Unfortunately people believe what they see on television. If the television says that this is a serious health condition and that peanut has become a serious allergen, people will start to 'get it'.

Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2002 - 12:56am
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That is true.. many people are not even aware that peanut products can kill. They don't take it seriously.

Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2002 - 4:00am
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The disconcerting thing about this episode was they had to find out how the person knew the guy was PA. She knew because she had taken him to a Thai restaurant previously where he had a reaction. I couldn't really understand a grown man, with the allergy, going to a Thai restaurant, but I guess it would be a comfort zone thing.
Then, the detective, when he got the autopsy results said that he died because he was allergic to peanuts, SPECIFICALLY peanut oil.
Well, as far as I know, you can't be *specifically* allergic to peanut oil.
But again, it is getting the information out there that PA is serious. It simply concerns me that this information can also fall into the wrong hands and people know how to easily kill our children [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img]
I do find in the dramas that I have been watching say in the last two years, anaphylactic reactions causing death have been coming up more and more. I'm simply thankful that my son doesn't watch these particular dramas (he loves watching The District on Saturday nights [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img] ).
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Posted on: Wed, 10/16/2002 - 12:23am
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It's really quite terrifying that our children are so vulnerable to this common food. The idea that someone would intentionally try and harm them is one nightmare I'm sure we've all imagined during those darker moments. You can't avoid it.
Personally I think that it's important to talk openly about this possiblity, (not with our young children of course.) Parents who fear knives and other weapons certainly do. If peanut can kill, which is something people need to be aware of, than it can be used to kill, and I don't think that there is much point in denying this. It's like child abuse, if it's not out in the open and talked about, it's far more likely to happen and for the abuser to get away with it.

Posted on: Wed, 10/16/2002 - 3:23am
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I caught that episode as well. I just thought it was rather odd, that he didn't show any signs of real distress. He gasped and collapsed. No swelling, no hives...I guess that would have been difficult to do.
Off topic, I think that show is horrible. Actors aren't very good, the characters are annoying and the storylines are far fetched.
Karen

Posted on: Mon, 10/21/2002 - 8:05pm
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dangit. I always tape it and on that sunday I forgot to set the vcr. I will be on the lookout for the repeat. I just love vincent d'onofrio in it. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
Gale
LOL! Karen, I just read your message and see that you don't like the show. I love it-the themes are far fetched sometimes, but then so are so many other shows and I really like the regulars on the show. I guess it's all about entertainment, after all.
to I Care-the comfort zone thing. I know of some parents who don't even bother carrying epis with their kids. One lady has a son who she says is allergic to tree nuts but she has never had him tested or anything and doesn't have an epi. To top it off, she has pecan trees and every year they pick the pecans (minus the son, I would think) and sell them. She also makes lots of things with nuts, just doesn't give them to him. She says if he eats anything with nuts he throws up all day so it does sound like an allergy. I just don't understand some people. This child is around 8 or 9 years old.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/21/2002 - 11:25pm
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gw_3mom, I absolutely LOVE the show. I'm always trying to figure out how the lead male character's mind is working (you had the actor's name down right on and I certainly can't do that). I just find him totally amazing. When I'm watching the show I guess I suspend reality and think I'm watching a *real* person in action. It's one of my "must watch" shows. I just really like it.
But then, I really like the other Law & Order
spin-off as well - Special Victims Unit.
Two episodes ago on Criminal Intent (the one after the one I posted about originally here), they actually brought some personal bits in about the male detective. Some character development or background. I really liked that.
river, you're absolutely correct. It is something that we have to discuss with our children when they are age appropriate. It's kinda sad that it's a food that we're talking to them about (and not just solely one food) and not, as you say, guns and knives. But that's the nature of food allergies. I believe I'll be able to do that.
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Tue, 10/22/2002 - 3:06am
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Gale, I hope I didn't insult you! I watch Law and Order, and Law and Order:SVU (geez, how many ARE there? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]) I like the other two, but I find those two cops in Criminal Intent, really annoying (particularly her).
Maybe I'm a purist. I love CSI, but I don't like CSI: Miami. Caruso and Delaney bug me!
Karen [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Wed, 10/23/2002 - 5:21pm
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Karen-you didn't insult me at all! I know everyone has different tastes. I also like law and order svu, but I don't like the blond girl at all in it. And I LOVE the original csi (gotta love william petersen!) but am not the least bit crazy about csi miami. I don't think the characters are as interesting and several of the actors/actresses don't know how to act very well. We do watch it, but we make comments like "gil grissom would have done this" or "katherine would have done that". LOL. We are tv junkies, I guess. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]
Cindy-I missed that episode too. Sunday nights we are usually at the in-laws (oh yay-can you tell I don't care?) and I often forget to set the vcr.
Gale

Posted on: Thu, 10/24/2002 - 11:42am
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Ladies, ladies, and fellow TV junkies (although I'm not watching anything tonight - what is with all the re-runs this week already?), there is a TV thread in Off Topic where you could be discussing all of this (of course, you can also be discussing it here, just like how I go off into babble mode and discuss my clothing, strange questions I'm asked at the school, etc. in a thread I'm posting in in the Schools section..... [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img] )
I actually wanted to re-raise that one anyway because I want to see who is watching what this year and if anyone has figured out what new shows are just bound to fail, etc. because I've seen a few sitcoms that should be dead already (I don't really like sitcoms anyway, came up to the computer as soon as DH put Scrubs on) and I don't think I've even tried a new drama for the season. Anyway, I'm going to re-raise that thread, but as I say, you can keep posting here 'cus I certainly post whatever where-ever [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/eek.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Fri, 10/25/2002 - 4:10pm
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thanks cindy-you know, I don't think I've ever even been in the off topic forum. I'm going to check it out tonight. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
Gale

Posted on: Sat, 10/26/2002 - 2:35am
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Oh, Gale, how could you never have been to Off Topic? It's simply wonderful! If there is anything to be discussed, it's there! And with everyone contributing that you already feel comfortable with from the PA part of the board. I've really found, since Chris started it, that I use PA.com as the place I go for everything because I can post about parental difficulties, etc. in Off Topic and not have to worry about going to another website. I've really found it wonderful.
No, you definitely have to check it out. There is just SO much stuff there, I'm sure you'll find something you want to talk about.
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Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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