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Question: I read a lot about people not happy with both of these companies, Kraft and Nabisco. I understand the labeling issues but anything specific?? My dd (PA) loves Mac-n-Cheese, Wheat Thins etc.. Any problems with these? Thanks- new mom to this allergy thing and still working things out!!! Rebecca

On Nov 15, 2006

my son eats things from this brand but seems to be ok with shared lines as long as cleansing is done properly.

On Nov 15, 2006

Me and my son eat Nabisco Teddy Grahams, Nilla Wafers, Oreo Ice Cream Cones, Saltines, Ritz (regular and whole wheat) and have never had a problem. My son eats these regularly.

On Nov 15, 2006

We've had no problems with any Kraft or Nabsico products either and eat many of those mentioned in the responses above.

On Nov 21, 2006

Today I called regarding Ritz crackers and Andrea from Kraft took my call. She said that if they use the same lines it is listed on their box.

On Nov 21, 2006

The answer I got from Kraft lately is that they often share lines but clean them. If they feel that there is a risk of cross-contamination, they will list that allergen in the ingredients. They don't label for shared lines and they won't tell you if they're shared lines. They feel that they're taking care of it and we shouldn't worry about it.

We have always used Kraft and haven't had problems (or is Post owned by them? then one possible problem) until this past weekend (see the Handi-Snacks thread), but I'm having my doubts about them now. I don't like to be told that there's no possible risk on shared machines, they can't tell me whether it's made on shared machines, and that I should just trust them to watch out for us! I'm on the fence still, though, because we use the mac & cheese weekly and often eat Wheat Thins.

On Nov 21, 2006

My son reacted to Jett Puff Marshmallows. He has eaten them before, and I allowed him to eat them even though I get the canned response, "We at Kraft take food allergies very seriously. If our product contains any of the top 8 allergens it would be labeled. That includes any risk of cross-contamination." blah, blah, blah. What they didn't tell me every time I called (at least not until ds had a reaction) was this response, "We at Kraft run many products on shared equipment. It is impossible to tell what is run on different equipment." Which this is bogus, because they were able to tell me that the marshmallows were run on equipment the same day as peanut-containing products ONLY after ds had reacted.

So basically, they feel that a risk of cross-contamination is if something was manufactured on equipment with a top 10 allergen WITHOUT an "allergy wash". I guess this is a comfort zone issue. I don't allow ds to eat off shared equipment even with an allergen wash. But once again, that's just me.

On Nov 21, 2006

mistey- when did your son react to Jet-Puff marshmallows? Was that recently???? We use those as well...

On Feb 15, 2007

I just talked to Nabisco. I know all of the concerns about Kraft, so I really pressed the person on whether they universally label for shared equipment, or whether they make the determination themselves if the allergen wash is sufficient and by extension label on a case-by-case basis. The person checked with her supervisor, and she said that they ALWAYS label for shared equipment regardless of allergen wash. I asked if she could tell me if this is a change in policy, and the person I talked to was relatively new and could not, but kept emphasizing that her supervisor said they universally label for shared equipment (but to check the label every time because it depends on what plant it was made in, and b/c things change). Has anyone else been told the same thing? (Or does anyone else want to call and see if they are told the same thing?)

On Feb 15, 2007

I need to call again about this. Hopefully they have changed their policy. But I am absolutely sure that they told me that they produce so many products that it would be "impossible" (their words) to tell what products had been produced on which lines with which allergens.

On Feb 15, 2007

Would love for some others to call too! I did call a few minutes ago. I got the "canned response" however she did say that they do label for cross contamination - and she said (without me asking) including shared lines. So I repeated "even with shared lines"- she said yes they would label for "may contains" or in the ingredients. Hmmm wonder if this is new, don't ever remember seeing a kraft label with may contains but remember hearing it was coming. I did specifically ask if she could tell me if the teddy grahams were ran on a line with nuts- and she repeated to look at the label there will be a "may contains" or it will be listed in the ingredients. Would be wonderful if its true- it still did sound really "canned/read line-by-line though". Would love it if they are really becoming more aware and careful!

On Feb 15, 2007

Well, my EA/PA DD was accidentally given a couple of Kraft pastel mini-marshmallows by another well-meaning parent...

and had what we suspect was a mild reaction. Asthma symptoms, wicked eczema outbreak. They were contaminated with [i]something[/i]...

Anyway-- this was in October and there was [i]definitely[/i] NO WARNING on that bag. Or any other since.

They may 'say' they will... but I think that it still just means that they'll label that way when [i]THEY[/i] think they need to.

On Feb 15, 2007

Thank you for sharing what you've been told -- and Corvallis Mom, that is scary! Thank you for sharing that. I'm going to call again tomorrow to see if I'm told something different when I talk to someone else; I felt nervous about the "telephone game" that was going on today with the supervisor relaying something to the customer service person who passed it on to me. I would like to feel comfortable having Teddy Grahams and some things on my son's snack list for school, but it is scary to hear about the issues with them!

On Feb 15, 2007

OMG!!!I didn't say anything because it was just a possibility but I posted under reactions that we called an ambulance for a possible rxn on friday. DS had just eaten rice krispies but it was a box he'd eaten out of before and just didn't seem likely. Then it hit me that night...about 45 minutes before the "Attack" I offered him 3 pastel jet-puffed fruity marshmallows. He'd had only 12 out of the bag before. It's the first time we bought the colored ones. Oddly he ate the first one and then said he didn't want the other 2...very peculiar for him who likes marshmallows and he was still hungry. It didn't hit me until later that it might be related....now I'm really scared if that awful attack was due to cross-contamination of one itty bitty little marshmallow [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/frown.gif[/img] Luvmyboys

Edited to explain further. DS is 6yrs old. He's always had a great 'sense' for when peanuts are present but it's been almost 4 years since anaphylaxis. The reaction seemed like the worse asthma cough he's ever had. He seemed to be choking...eventually vomited and blood was shooting out his nose. I gave albuterol via the nebulizer and benadryl...it went away. I called 911 to buy us some time in case it was a rxn and things were going to turn downhill, but they never did. The EMT thought I was crazy (grrr)...felt I had called in about a viral cough because by the time they arrived he was perfectly fine...just shaken. But I know my kid...he couldn't breathe. I've never called an ambulance in the almost 4 years since his diagnosis OR had the epi out and ready to go.

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On Feb 15, 2007

luvmyboys - I'm so sorry to hear about the reaction and what you went through. That is really frightening. This has me pretty freaked out about their labeling. Do you think it's possible that Kraft and Nabisco are run separately enough for them to have different labeling practices? I still plan to call again tomorrow because I'm interested to hear what someone else will say...maybe I will call the Kraft number too while I'm at it. It's hard to imagine feeling comfortable with Kraft based on what I've read here, but I'm curious if there could be differences in labeling between Nabisco and Kraft (don't know if that ever happens with parent companies)??

On Feb 16, 2007

I talked to Nabisco again this morning. I'll just relay what they said, although it doesn't jive with what others have been told. The person I talked to today said the same thing about how they will always put a "may contain..." statement or list it in the ingredients if there are shared lines (even if there is an allergen wash). I said that I know others have been told by Kraft that they would not necessarily label for it if they think the allergen wash is sufficient. I asked if Nabisco has a different labeling policy than Kraft, and he said no, they are the same. I asked if this is a change in policy then, and he said no. I guess I'm not sure what to make of that given all the things others have been told by Kraft that are in direct conflict of this.

I also asked if he could tell me if any Teddy Grahams currently have warnings on them, and he said the standard thing about how they make so many things in so many places that he cannot provide a list of safe things--that we just have to go on individual labels on individual boxes.

On Feb 19, 2007

You guys who have contacted Kraft/Nabisco in the past were right... As I posted, I contacted them twice last week. I really pressed both people on this--and on the fact that I had read something different--and they both strongly reassured me that if something were made on shared lines, it would universally be labeled in the ingredients or in a "may contain" statement, even if an allergen wash had been done. I called again this morning and said I wanted to speak to a supervisor because I had been told things that conflicted with what other people have been told. After putting me on hold for a while, the person I was talking to said there wasn't a manager available but that she had been there five years and felt confident she could answer my questions. Bottom line, if they feel the allergen wash is sufficient, it won't be on the label. Most of their lines are made to be convertible. I currently have Nabisco products on my son's snack list. I honestly don't know if they should be in our comfort zone or not (appreciate any feedback)...

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On Feb 19, 2007

we use kraft. so far we have been ok with the cleansing process of all manufacturers

On Feb 19, 2007

Hard question to answer, as I have been wondering the same thing you have since we are new to this (since August) too. I will say I have switched to almost all Keebler brands for crackers, snacks, etc. I still use Kraft for "block cheddar cheese" parmesan cheese and a few other things- but not crackers at all and not nabisco for cookies- and the only snack I can think of I am still using by them is the original (honey?)flavored teddy grahams once in awhile. It's all a comfort thing- but I figure if Keebler makes a product that's similar why not use theirs. I liked Keebler's answer when I called. Just a personal opinion.

On Feb 19, 2007

Just wanted to add that we have always used these brands with no problems at all and this has been eight years since my dd was diagnosed.

On Feb 21, 2007

Since you asked for feedback, I'll say that ds eats either Oreos or Chips Ahoy every day and has for years. We have used all Nabisco cookies and crackers for years and have never had a single problem. Every time I have called Nabisco I have been told they will label for shared lines every time. If I had been told differently, I may not have depended on them so much! But we have never had a problem in seven years, so *for us personally*, I will still be using them.

On Feb 22, 2007

My approach is ditto exactly that of PennMom [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]. I'm very pleased with Keebler labeling- I still use the block hard cheese (Kraft) as well

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