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Posted on: Tue, 04/06/2004 - 8:51am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b] I mean, companies change for a variety of reasons. Financial Incentive being one of them. In a business, it is logical to make alterations that may have a financial impact (not saying if that is the case here, I don't know, that is why I asked). [/b]
I think the reason for the change is that Hersheys used to manufacture this product in a safe environment.
They sold the Sixlets line to Sweetworks.
Sweetworks is a much smaller company than Hershey is. in fact, they may only have one factory? They probably don't have any nut-free facilities..
So it is more difficult than the Nestle Canada situation. Nestle Canad had a nut-free facility from the beginning of time that manufactured those chocolate bars.. they mentioned the change, but no nuts every entered the facility.
Sweetworks may never have had a nut-free facility. It will be difficult to change this.. but you never know. Anything is possible if enough people suggest it. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]

Posted on: Tue, 04/06/2004 - 12:59pm
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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b] I think the reason for the change is that Hersheys used to manufacture this product in a safe environment.[/b]
the reason for what change? Do you mean the change in whether the product is "safe" (as described) or not? I mean, I gotta ask myself [i]why[/i] Hershey's sold the product. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b]They sold the Sixlets line to Sweetworks.[/b]
Understood. This is what I gather from the information here. (Although I don't know for sure, just going by "word of mouth".) Again, Wonder Why. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img] [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/tongue.gif[/img]
Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b]Sweetworks is a much smaller company than Hershey is. [/b]
Wonder if they are buying [i]other products[/i]. I mean, do they have the facilities at their disposal to develop [i]new products[/i]? Or are any other items [i]similiar to Sixlets[/i]. (oh, love that name) [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b]in fact, they may only have one factory? They probably don't have any nut-free facilities..
So it is more difficult than the Nestle Canada situation. Nestle Canad had a nut-free facility from the beginning of time that manufactured those chocolate bars.. they mentioned the change, but no nuts every entered the facility.[/b]
Thank you for the light you have shed on this subject.
Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b]Sweetworks may never have had a nut-free facility. It will be difficult to change this.. but you never know. Anything is possible if enough people suggest it. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Um,.......... are any other products similiar or do you think going to be similiar to [i]Sixlets[/i]? (sideways glance icon)

Posted on: Tue, 04/06/2004 - 1:07pm
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erik,
do you think that part of the ability for a candy company to manufacture items in a peanut/nut-free facility could be due to their ability to sell items with peanuts/nuts (made in separate facilities)?
I'm thinking: [i]cruel irony?[/i] Maybe not cruel, just ironic? [i]Life Can Be That Way.[/i] Odd, isn't it?
Great. Now i'm thinking of Eesma in "Emperor's New Groove". Was that a great movie or what? Loved the Lab Scene........ [i]a box in a box in a box......[/i]

Posted on: Tue, 04/06/2004 - 1:40pm
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Momma Bear, I know that the same year that Nestle reversed their initial decision re Smarties (and the whole other "safe" line), they did come out with a more high-end, if you will, line of chocolate bars that were not "safe" and not produced in the same facilities as the "safe" line.
Wondering if I'm going to have to explain "high-end" - what I mean is more expensive, classier packaging, more "adult" oriented.
Since I donate my used magazines, I know that I don't have any of the ads to refer to so I could describe it even better. But even the marketing was more "upscale". I remember they were in packages with red labels.
erik, The Candy Guru, would surely know the name of the line (if there was one) that I'm talking about.
This is, in some way, an attempt to answer your question about whether or not, one decision (i.e., Nestle Canada's decision to keep Smarties etc. "peanut free") could be off-set by a decision to make a peanut/nut product in another plant. It was, in fact, done. I don't know if the "upscale" line was successful or not. Never looked for them because they are simply something I wouldn't be purchasing (since they are not PA safe).
erik, I can very well see your point if Sweetworks does not have the ability to implement a peanut/nut free plant.
However, I still believe it's worth a go. Again, excellent point in that the Nestle Canada plant was already peanut/nut free.
Remember them saying that the plant was antiquated and that was one of the reasons that the products would no longer be "safe"? Do you know if they did do any up-dating of the peanut/nut free facility?
(See the plethora of questions that come at you when you're The Candy Guru [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img] )
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Tue, 04/06/2004 - 1:47pm
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Checked out the website [url="http://www.sweetworks.net"]www.sweetworks.net[/url]
I found this interesting for some reason:-
The emphasis on quality control is embedded in SweetWorks' operating culture largely as a result of its history of contract manufacturing for giants of the industry such as Hershey, M&M/Mars and Nestl

Posted on: Wed, 04/07/2004 - 7:42am
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Quote:Originally posted by Alternative to Mainstream:
[b]Momma Bear, I know that the same year that Nestle reversed their initial decision re Smarties (and the whole other "safe" line), they did come out with a more high-end, if you will, line of chocolate bars that were not "safe" and not produced in the same facilities as the "safe" line.
erik, The Candy Guru, would surely know the name of the line (if there was one) that I'm talking about.[/b]
Yes.. I remember these bars. They were made with various nuts (ie: brazil nuts? cashews?) and looked geared more to the adult market rather than children. Since Nestle could not use the nut-free facility to manufacture these bars as was originally planned, they were imported from another country (maybe USA? can't remember).
Quote:Originally posted by Alternative to Mainstream:
[b]I don't know if the "upscale" line was successful or not. Never looked for them because they are simply something I wouldn't be purchasing (since they are not PA safe).[/b]
I do not think they were that successful, as they disappeared from retail shelves within the year.
Quote:Originally posted by Alternative to Mainstream:[b]
Remember them saying that the plant was antiquated and that was one of the reasons that the products would no longer be "safe"? Do you know if they did do any up-dating of the peanut/nut free facility?
[/b]
I think what they meant was it was a large, old factory that was not being utilized to its full potential. It would have been more economical to run the facility if they added more chocolate bars to the production lines (some of which would contain nuts).
Instead, it appears that they have added more nut-free chocolate bars to this facility to make it more economical to run. For example, both Aero Caramel and Kit Kat dark have recently begun production there [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by erik (edited April 07, 2004).]

Posted on: Wed, 04/07/2004 - 7:43am
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Quote:Originally posted by MommaBear:
[b]erik,
do you think that part of the ability for a candy company to manufacture items in a peanut/nut-free facility could be due to their ability to sell items with peanuts/nuts (made in separate facilities)?
[/b]
Hi Momma Bear,
My answer would be.. "no".
For some companies, it could be a "yes". For example, Hershey has many top selling products filled with nuts (Reese peanut butter cups, Oh Henry, etc)... so maybe in Hershey's case, the success of their nut bars allows them have have many manufacturing facilities (some of which are nut-free/peanut-free).
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However, the reason I give an answer of "no" is because I do not think that the ability of a candy company to manufacture items in a peanut/nut-free facility could be due to their ability to sell items with peanuts/nuts (made in separate facilities).
As my example, I would use [b]Nestle Canada[/b]. All of Nestle Canada's top selling bars are nut-free/peanut-free. Aero, Kit Kat, Mirage, Smarties, Rolo, Coffee Crisp... all made in nut-free/peanut-free facilities. The bars that they do sell with nuts/peanuts (Butterfinger, Turtles, etc) make up a small fraction of their sales are are not top-sellers in Canada.
If Nestle was to eliminate their chocolate bars that contained peanuts/nuts, it would not have any affect on their ability to manufacture items in a nut-free/peanut-free facility.
Of course, Nestle Canada would not want to elminate all of the chocolate bars with nuts/peanuts, as they want to compete with Cadbury, M&M/Mars, and Hershey for market share and wouldn't want to lose the nut/peanut lovers. However, Nestle's nut/peanut confections are by no means necessary in order for them to provide peanut-free/nut-free products.
[This message has been edited by erik (edited April 07, 2004).]

Posted on: Wed, 04/07/2004 - 9:08am
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erik, thank-you, I knew you would have the answer re the "high end" Nestle chocolate bars. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
It's a *good* thing you have the metabolism you do, isn't it? [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]
Best wishes! [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/smile.gif[/img]
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Posted on: Wed, 04/07/2004 - 9:51am
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Erik,
Is "Nestle Canada" in any way connected financially to "Nestle USA"? I don't know.
Was "Nestle USA" in existance before "Nestle Canada" or visa versa, or simultaneously? I don't know.

Posted on: Wed, 04/07/2004 - 9:53am
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Quote:Originally posted by erik:
[b]
For some companies, it could be a "yes". [/b]
Thank you, erik. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/biggrin.gif[/img]

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