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Author Topic: Jewish PA Issues California Mom Member Posts: 349 Registered: Jul 2000 posted January 11, 2001 12:14 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- O.K., I finally started the thread some of us have been waiting for! I have noticed that the two recent Passover threads have become a place where we were bringing up other Jewish issues. I am thinking that this could become an ongoing thread to post things of interest or concern to other Jewish people.

IP: Logged California Mom Member Posts: 349 Registered: Jul 2000 posted January 11, 2001 12:18 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll start with an issue: Does PA happen with greater frequency in the Jewish population? Based on what I see on this board, it doesn't seem to be. However, our local Jewish pre-school is peanut and tn free because of a high number of kids with pa and tna. To put this into perspective, my daughter seems to be the first pa child at our local public elementary school. We are not in a heavily Jewish area. What are other people's experiences with this?

IP: Logged Cayley's Mom Member Posts: 768 Registered: Mar 2001 posted January 11, 2001 12:36 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- California Mom - I hope you don't mind a non-Jewish person posting here! My brother dated a Jewish girl for 2 years who had multiple food allergies. None of her reactions were to the point of anaphylaxis, but all involved hives and minor swelling and mouth-itching. Hazelnuts, peaches, carrots and green peppers were definite no-nos, and her family always had to make latkes without onion, because she reacted to that, too. I seem to recall none of her other family members had any food allergies.

Latkes without onion! BTW, I have a Jewish cookbook... I LOVE Jewish food... (still can't get my head wrapped around latkes without onion... ).

IP: Logged Andy unregistered posted January 11, 2001 01:22 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am Jewish and grew up in an area that was mostly Jewish. I did not know any one else that was PA when I was growing up. Andy IP: Logged Yonit Member Posts: 85 Registered: Oct 1999 posted January 11, 2001 05:14 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, my son who is allergic to peanut, walnut, latex is in a Jewish preschool where four out of twelve kids have serious food allergies. In my non-allergic daughter's Jewish Day School there at least six or seven kids with food allergies. Wonder if there are any demographic studies out there which address this question. ------------------

IP: Logged BENSMOM Member Posts: 614 Registered: May 2000 posted January 11, 2001 07:55 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm married to a non-Jew and we have allergies on both sides of the family. But, since allergies are genetic, I wouldn't be surprised if they are overrepresented in any particular ethnic group from all the "inbreeding" for lack of a better word. In my synagogue, I know of only one other PA child. But then again, our synagogue is about 50-60% interfaith! IP: Logged AmyR Member Posts: 196 Registered: Sep 2000 posted January 11, 2001 08:28 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think this is a great thread. Thanks for starting it. In my daughter's class (she's non PA) there are three kids who have allergies. One of them is Jewish and another one has a mom who's Jewish. My neighbor's son, also Jewish, is PA. My cousin has two boys that are also PA. I think that's all I know. IP: Logged krasota Member Posts: 35 Registered: Apr 2000 posted January 12, 2001 03:41 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- are you sure all the PA kids at Jewish schools are Jewish themselves? it might be a case of certain private schools being more willing to make accomodations for allergic children. just a thought.

ygg

IP: Logged morgansmom Member Posts: 174 Registered: Apr 2000 posted January 12, 2001 08:34 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's another question for you. I've been wondering lately if Kosher foods would be good to look at for my milk, egg, peanut allergic daughter.

What does it mean if products are kosher (sorry for the ignorance), and where do you buy kosher products?

Thanks for any info you can share.

IP: Logged Amy Frankel unregistered posted January 12, 2001 02:54 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morgansmom - I am far from an expert on laws of kashruth, but I don't think they will significantly help your allergic child. I know where meat is concerned, it has to do with the slaughter process. Where other foods are concerned, my understanding is that kosher supervision is needed to make sure that kosher (or neutral foods like vegetables) haven't been mixed with non-kosher. And milk or dairy products are never mixed with meat. If something is marked Pareve, there should be no dairy in it (although I remember reading something a long time ago about that not being reliable enough for severly dairy-allergic people). I'm sure others can be more enlightening thatn I am, but I hope this is a start.

Amy

IP: Logged Amy Frankel unregistered posted January 12, 2001 07:53 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cayley's Mom - I agree; latkes without onion - why bother?! BTW, if you ever come to the NYC area, come on over - I'll cook you a traditional artery clogging spread. Blintzes, latkes, stuffed cabbage, brisket... In addition to wondering whether Jewish people are overrepresented in PA, has anyone ever read any statistics on Jewish people and heart disease? Reflecting on the above menu, one has to wonder!

Amy

IP: Logged morgansmom Member Posts: 174 Registered: Apr 2000 posted January 12, 2001 10:02 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amy: You may have helped me after all. Not dairy in meat, horaaayyy!! Hot dogs, deli meats, let me at them!!! IP: Logged Amy Frankel unregistered posted January 13, 2001 10:59 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morgan's Mom - Glad to be of service. Signed,

The-Far-From-Kosher-Jewish-Mother

IP: Logged Donni Member Posts: 31 Registered: Nov 2000 posted January 13, 2001 01:54 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A word of caution regarding pareve (neutral) food: eggs are in this catagory. IP: Logged Cayley's Mom Member Posts: 768 Registered: Mar 2001 posted January 13, 2001 06:42 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Amy! How does next Saturday sound? Extra onion in my latkes, please. *grin* Seriously, I have done a bit of research on the net, trying to find out if there is a higher incidence of heart disease amoung Jewish people, due to the traditionally high-fat diet. There doesn't seem to be a connection specifically to the Jewish population, but the North American diet, in general, seems to contribute risk factors for heart disease.

For example, Japan has a lower rate, per capita, of heart disease, but a Japanese immigrant, exposed to the North American diet, raises his risk factor for heart disease to the same levels as native-born North Americans.

Just FYI. Jewish people don't seem to be over-represented in the heart disease area. If I find any articles linking PA or other food allergies to a Jewish background, I will post the link, if it is from a reputable study. Carolyn

IP: Logged Amy Frankel unregistered posted January 14, 2001 11:04 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Carolyn, I can enjoy my blintzes with sour cream with a clear conscience now (and while I'm at it, some pierogies with onions browned in chicken fat would be good too)! Amy

IP: Logged Emily in Maryland Member Posts: 11 Registered: Aug 2000 posted January 15, 2001 09:12 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have found Kosher markings to be a GREAT help in my search for dairy-free foods for myself and my son. It speeds up the grocery shopping for sure. When Passover comes, things get even better! Foods that are kosher for Passover are free of milk and soy (and I'm not sure what else). I stock up on sweets and other items. I'm lucky to live in an area with a large Jewish population. I'm not Jewish but MANY of my friends are. Learn to recognize the different symbols - OU or U with a circle around it, and the various K symbols. If I'm not mistaken - pareve means no milk or meat. And if it does contain milk, it will say KD or K dairy. I have only had one item that I believe was truly mislabeled - a chocolate bar from a Kosher market. My son clearly reacted to it through breastfeeding as it was the only new thing I ate that week. Now it doesn't help with finding nut-free items unfortunately. I think in general the standards and accuracy are high but for anaphalactic reactions, you might not want to rely on this. Oh, also you may see K D.E. which means it is processed on lines or equipment that also processes dairy. Good luck!! Emily, mom to Corey Andrew - 20 months allergic to milk, soy, peanuts, cashews.

IP: Logged ScaredoftheWalnutAisles Member Posts: 25 Registered: Oct 2000 posted January 16, 2001 09:47 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I couldn't resist posting in here. I'm not Jewish but everyone always tells me I look Jewish. (lol) I've gotten Barbara Streisand (when she was younger) and Sarah Jessica Parker (I don't think she's Jewish). FAN says this disorder is genetic so I do believe it most likely belongs predominately to "a group". If anyone finds out I'd love to know! Anyways, I have multiple food allergies.

Connie

IP: Logged Amy Frankel unregistered posted January 20, 2001 07:17 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK, here is my rant for today. I should probably put this under "How did PA affect you today", but I'm putting it here instead. Today at Hebrew School they had Family Education Day, where the kids and parents participate in a whole bunch of activities like arts & crafts, singing, cooking, etc. I knew one of the projects was going to be Charoset making, so I knew we weren't doing that one. They also had Hamantaschen baking, which my son wanted to do. I figured it would be OK, but I went to check it out ahead, just in case. Did any of you ever hear of PEANUT BUTTER HAMANTASCHEN? Me neither! Of course, he could mix the dough and add one of the normal fillings, but he couldn't eat them because they were all baked together. He was a little disappointed, but I was majorly irritated. Aren't apricot, prune, poppyseed and chocolate enough?

OK, I feel better now. Thanks for listening to me rant and rave.

IP: Logged mamagaona Member Posts: 124 Registered: Dec 2000 posted January 21, 2001 02:54 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amy- Peanut butter Hamentashen! What meshugginah person came up with that idea! Arlene IP: Logged LOIS Member Posts: 60 Registered: Aug 99 posted January 21, 2001 05:48 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone. I found the manischewitz website with great information about peanut & nut free products that I have found extremely helpful. I want to share it with you, but don't know how to put it in as a hyperlink. see if you can type in and connect to: [url="http://www.manischewitz.com/mani.nsf/healthcategory/nut"]www.manischewitz.com/mani.nsf/healthcategory/nut[/url] free! I hope that you can get it. This will help with some other food options for our kids. Let me know if someone out there in computerland, has the know-with-all to put this in as a hyperlink! Thanks and stay safe! Lois IP: Logged LOIS Member Posts: 60 Registered: Aug 99 posted January 21, 2001 05:51 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK, well looks like it went in as a hyperlink, except the word FREE at the end is part of the link! So, I guess you should type it in instead of clicking on it..I hope someone out there can get it and fix it and post it correctly. Good luck, Lois IP: Logged Caterina Member Posts: 23 Registered: Nov 2000 posted January 22, 2001 01:24 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi California Mom, I am non-Jewish and live in a predominantly Jewish area. My daughter is involved in various activites that are held at various locations that are predominantly Jewish. I must say that all of these facilities are peanut free and all staff have been so co-operative. On the other hand, my daughter attends a Catholic school which is not peanut-free (just the classroom is, as there are 3 children out of 11 with PA)and the staff needs to be reminded of the severity of PA. Anwyay, I guess what I am trying to say is that the Jewish community seems to be well educated on PA -- I'm not sure if its because of a high number of PA Jewish children or a willingness to understand PA and protect our children.

IP: Logged California Mom Member Posts: 349 Registered: Jul 2000 posted January 22, 2001 02:31 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caterina, that is so interesting! You may very well be on to something with your insight. I wish I could get my husband to consider sending our daughter to the local Jewish Day School. I had been happy with our public school until now (see my "rant" about Chinese New Year Celebration, under "schools" to see why I am not happy now!) At least I can hope that her summer camp experiences will work out well. Amy Frankel, I have never heard of peanut butter Hamantaschen either! How bizarre, not to mention potentially lethal. As a person who loves peanut butter and hamantaschen, it doesn't even sound appealing to me at all!

I had a very similar experience with walnut filling for hamantaschen a couple of years ago. (Leah is severely allergic to walnuts as well as peanuts.) I had never heard of that, either, but that was what was being used at the family Purim event. I had really built up the excitement of making hamantaschen before we got there. When I saw it was walnut filling I was shocked. I set Leah up with her own little station with jam filling, and I didn't let anyone close who was using the walnut stuff. I made a huge effort to keep a safe area on the cookie sheet for her cookies, with foil, etc., and watched the oven like a hawk. I'm sure everyone around thought I was a total weirdo. The funny part is that it wasn't even my synagogue; we were with some friends at their synagogue's Purim party, checking out the congregation. Needless to say, we didn't join! (That really isn't why, of course, but it didn't help me have a good feeling about the place.)

Take care everyone! I love this thread - it feels so "haimish"!

Miriam

IP: Logged Donni Member Posts: 31 Registered: Nov 2000 posted January 22, 2001 03:17 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Below is the link...hopefully it'll work for you! [url="http://www.manischewitz.com/manischewitz/Mani.nsf/HealthCategory/NutFree!OpenDocument"]http://www.manischewitz.com/manischewitz/Mani.nsf/HealthCategory/NutFree!OpenDocument[/url]

IP: Logged Tina H. Member Posts: 170 Registered: Oct 99 posted January 22, 2001 04:11 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think you might be on to something as well. We are Jewish and live in a Jewish neighborhood. My daughter is PA, so is my next door neighbor's daughter, and the kid down the block! About 10 kids in my daughter's K-5 school also have the allergy. They are almost all Jewish. IP: Logged LOIS Member Posts: 60 Registered: Aug 99 posted January 22, 2001 11:20 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Donni for posting the link for me correctly. I hope that it helps with more "safe" food choices. Lois IP: Logged Donni Member Posts: 31 Registered: Nov 2000 posted January 23, 2001 07:38 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I meant to also say that while we keep a Jewish home and are raising our son (Zak) Jewish, I am not Jewish. I am mainly English (back to the first settlers of Maryland) with a bit of Polish. My husband is Jewish with a bit of Italian. No one in my family suffers from allergies. My husband, his father, and his sister have a mild allergy to cat hair. My husband's twins (boy & girl) from his first marriage (wife of Italian heritage who claims to have an allergy to cat/dog hair) seem to have the mild allergy to cat hair. Zak, though, only has the peanut allergy. We have a cat who just loves to share his hair with us and Zak has no problem with it. Does this help or confuse the statistics further? IP: Logged Amy Frankel unregistered posted January 23, 2001 06:42 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I owe lots of folks here an apology - I said I would check out some Passover foods for safety this week and it has been another week from #$&^! I swear, unless anything bizarre happens, I'll do it next week. Actually, our supermarket has not put out their Passover stuff yet, but I promise to at least check websites. Amy

IP: Logged mknb Member Posts: 13 Registered: Jan 2001 posted January 30, 2001 10:08 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Passover products should not contain peanut products, because they are legumes. My husband was raised orthodox, me reform our kitchen is kosher. I nearly died when he started to remove all of our food (rice, corn, peas...) Anyway according to our Chabad Rebbison no peanuts! IP: Logged Amy Frankel unregistered posted January 31, 2001 06:04 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, its true - no peanuts for Peasach, however, tree nuts are another story! Couldn't some grand poobah rabbi ban those as well? From my mouth to God's ears! Amy

Oh yeah, I'm still working on getting to those websites - it has really been a madhouse here lately!

IP: Logged California Mom Member Posts: 349 Registered: Jul 2000 posted January 31, 2001 10:41 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amy, you crack me up! What a riot! I totally agree with you, of course. Miriam

IP: Logged ImSharonA Member Posts: 39 Registered: Jan 2001 posted January 31, 2001 11:52 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi *smile* I love this thread! Thank you so much for the link! It really helps in choosing foods for the holidays ...... I know I am off topic here but I found such a fun site for Reggae Passover Music Enjoyable to listen to! [url="http://www.reggaepassover.com/"]http://www.reggaepassover.com/[/url]

Sharon

IP: Logged Amy Frankel unregistered posted February 01, 2001 03:02 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Passover Reggae? Why not - don't Rastafarians consider themselves one of the lost tribes? Sharon - my offer still stands - I will be glad to ship any Passover stuff you want. Just let me know. I'm surprised they haven't started the Passover displays here yet; the frenzy starts really early here!

Amy

IP: Logged Amy Frankel unregistered posted February 02, 2001 04:26 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well folks, you won't believe this. I finally had a few minutes this afternoon to start researching the Passover products, and I found this website (please don't ask me the name or how I got there - I probably couldn't find it again for all the tea in China) that lists all kinds of foods, what makes them OK or not OK for Passover. It says that while Peanuts are off limits for Ashkenazic Jews (along with all other legumes), PEANUT OIL IS ALLOWED! They then gave some technical reason that I did not understand. Anyway, due to my computer related lameness, I haven't made too much progress in finding all these company websites, but I was afraid if I didn't post this now I'd forget. I'll keep plugging away.

Amy

IP: Logged ImSharonA Member Posts: 39 Registered: Jan 2001 posted February 02, 2001 06:04 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Amy Thank you so much .....I just may take you up on the offer .....we don't start to get Passover food here until just before the holiday but I am going to see what I will need and what they are going to bring in .....Thank you so much! You can't imagine how much I appreciate this offer! *hugs* Sharon

IP: Logged mknb Member Posts: 13 Registered: Jan 2001 posted February 04, 2001 11:45 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, my sons birthday is coming up and I need to find candy that is peanut free and kosher. He attends jewish day school, so several of his friends eat only kosher products. Help IP: Logged California Mom Member Posts: 349 Registered: Jul 2000 posted February 04, 2001 04:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DH took Leah (age 6) to Sunday school this morning and discovered they were having a Tu B'Shvat seder. He said that the teacher and teacher's aide (who has babysat for us!) both seemed very confused about what Leah could and could not eat, so he decided to stay. Apparently the school's director had sent out a letter to the teachers stating that any children who are allergic to nuts could drink pineapple juice instead of eating the nuts. It seems that this is because the pineapple is hard on the outside and soft (?) on the inside like a nut. Well, the teachers were confused and thought that Leah couldn't drink grape juice! Very, very strange. DH said that he could tell they were very concerned for Leah and wanted her to be safe, but that they just didn't get it at all. I am so glad he was there and stayed. He said that kids all around Leah were eating almonds but that she was fine. I think that in future years I will be sure one of us stays when they celebrate Tu B'Shvat. Did anyone else have any experiences with similar celebrations? Miriam IP: Logged yishaiel Member Posts: 2 Registered: Dec 2000 posted February 05, 2001 06:37 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am a former American living in Israel, and the mother of a peanut allergic 8 year old (my other four children have no food allergies whatsoever). I have not yet come accross anyone else here who is PA, although I know someone who knows someone... and our pediatrician says that there are some. Most don't even know that such a severe reaction is even possible. I have had to educate everybody that my daughter has come into contact with. I have been following with interest the thread on having a PA child classified. It's so different. On the one hand, and the system is very ignorant, but on the other hand, my daughter can have her epipen with her all day. The school nurse just asked for authorization to administer it in case of an emergency. I have had to invent the wheel here. IP: Logged California Mom Member Posts: 349 Registered: Jul 2000 posted February 05, 2001 06:52 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Welcome, Yishaiel, it is good to have you with us. How prevalent are peanuts in Israel? My daughter is possibly allergic to sesame seeds. I really worry about her ever travelling to Israel; especially if she were to go on a "teen trip" or something without me. I'm glad you're not running into obstacles at school, but it must be so difficult to have to educate everyone all the time. We all do, of course, but many people in the states have at least heard of the severity of pa. Miriam IP: Logged

On Mar 8, 2002

marla Member Posts: 79 Registered: Jan 2001 posted February 06, 2001 04:01 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To California Mom, we've had problems with the Tu B'Shevat Seder here too (suburban Boston). With my older PA/and nut-allergic son the teacher insisted that all the kids try the fruit salad (which had nuts, of course). Luckily that year I was a room mother, so I was there to stop him. With my first-grader, we just got a notice from his religious school teacher that next week each child should bring in a selection of fruits and nuts (not to be shared but you know what kids are like). There is at least one PA kid in this class (not mine). Sometimes well-meaning people do seem to find it hard to understand food allergies. This teacher has banned PB snacks, but banning nuts altogether would be safer, in my opinion. IP: Logged Yonit Member Posts: 85 Registered: Oct 1999 posted March 28, 2001 05:10 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I also posted this on Pssover Foods thread: My non-PA daughter attends a Hebrew Day School. Today she came home with a Pesach GUide written by The Rabbinic Assembly on Jewish Law and Standards. I will quote the reference to peanuts: "Most Ashkenazic authorities have added the following foods (kitniyot) to the the list (of prohibited foods): rice, corn, millet, legumes (beans and peas; however, string beans are permitted). The Committee on Jewish Law and Standards has ruled unanimously that peanuts and peanut oil ARE permissible."

Beware!

Anybody get any more information from any of the other Kosher for Passover companies? We'll be sticking to the Manischewitz Peanut-free list, including their cake mixes for something sweet.

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IP: Logged Milkmom Member Posts: 54 Registered: Apr 2001 posted April 02, 2001 02:36 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I converted to Judaism when I was 19. When I converted I agreed to accept all the good and bad that comes along with being Jewish. After reading this thread I am thinking that must also include having a son with PA! Can one convert to a prevalence for a food allergy? I just this week discovered he has PA. I was very glad to see this site and even more excited to see this thread. I live in ND and there are very few Jewish families here so it is nice to reach out to two groups at once!

IP: Logged Going Nuts Member Posts: 204 Registered: Oct 2001 posted April 02, 2001 11:14 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, I never heard back from Rokeach. I'm just assuming all desserts are off limits. I usually bake my own, anyway. Amy

IP: Logged Yonit Member Posts: 85 Registered: Oct 1999 posted April 06, 2001 07:18 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just wanted to wish everybody a Happy Passover - Chag Sameach! Hope all stay "reaction-free." Let's start working on getting Vermont Nut-Free to do some Pesach chocolates for next year - BaShana HaBaah! ------------------

IP: Logged Yonit Member Posts: 85 Registered: Oct 1999 posted April 06, 2001 07:24 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just tried to post, but somehow it disappeared. Forgive the redundancy if it reappears. I just wanted to wish everybody a Happy Passover - Chag Sameach! I hope it's a safe one for all of us.

We should start contacting Vermont Nut-Free soon, so we can have some safe Pesach treats for next year - BaShanah HaBaah!

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IP: Logged Going Nuts Member Posts: 204 Registered: Oct 2001 posted April 06, 2001 09:01 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, a zeisen (sp?) Pesach to all! Stick a fork in me, I'm done! I've been cooking all week and I've had it!

Amy

IP: Logged BENSMOM Member Posts: 614 Registered: May 2000 posted April 08, 2001 08:05 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uggh, pb cookies at seder this year. Someone brought them who didn't know about Ben's allergy. I just kept him away from them. My mom made nut-free charoset for Ben, and made a cheesecake (that usually has a nut crust) without nuts. IP: Logged Going Nuts Member Posts: 204 Registered: Oct 2001 posted September 02, 2001 10:49 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just bringing this up to the top since it is getting to be that time of year again... Amy

IP: Logged mamagaona Member Posts: 124 Registered: Dec 2000 posted September 02, 2001 01:53 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am giving a copy of the 504 to Rebecca's Sunday School teacher. I know most of it does not pertain, but I just want her to be aware of the gravity of the situation. Arlene IP: Logged Going Nuts Member Posts: 204 Registered: Oct 2001 posted September 03, 2001 06:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We have an odd situation this year. Our synagogue and religious school had a terrible fire last June. A neighboring church kindly invited our congregation to hold religious school classes in their school. I am hoping they have no kitchen facilities (I'm sure in vain - it's a lovely school, and I can't imagine they have no kitchen) so we don't have to deal with the endless food-related projects. Kevin has the same teacher as last year, so at least that anxiety is lessened. Hebrew School starts next week, so I guess we will see!

Amy

IP: Logged Going Nuts Member Posts: 204 Registered: Oct 2001 posted September 03, 2001 06:05 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We have an odd situation this year. Our synagogue and religious school had a terrible fire last June. A neighboring church kindly invited our congregation to hold religious school classes in their school. I am hoping they have no kitchen facilities (I'm sure in vain - it's a lovely school, and I can't imagine they have no kitchen) so we don't have to deal with the endless food-related projects. Kevin has the same teacher as last year, so at least that anxiety is lessened. Hebrew School starts next week, so I guess we will see!

Amy

IP: Logged SF Member Posts: 22 Registered: Feb 2002 posted September 06, 2001 09:27 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have been working on finding additional "safe" foods and snacks for my son's jewish pre-school that is also kosher. I went to the website [url="http://www.empirekosher.com"]www.empirekosher.com[/url] and spoke with Elizabeth at (800) 233-7177. She is mailing ingredient lists to me for specific products and told me that Empire Kosher chicken nuggets are in a nut free facility in Isreal. Their pizzas are made with soybean oil. Pot pies, breaded zucchini, perogies, and pizza products are all safe. I suggest others contact them to double check this info and post it here. I will post again when I receive the lists in the mail. Hope this helps some of you and I would appreciate more kosher related foods that are nut free to suggest to our school. Thanks!! IP: Logged BENSMOM Member Posts: 614 Registered: May 2000 posted December 06, 2001 09:58 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone know of any safe Chanukkah gelt? I checked Vermont Nut Free and they have it, but with shipping, the cost is more than I'm willing to pay. My kids went without it last year and they can go without again this year, but it would be nice to have. IP: Logged Yonit Member Posts: 85 Registered: Oct 1999 posted December 06, 2001 04:56 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I only buy the gelt from Vermont Nut Free, especially since Elite had a problem a couple years ago when they did not label for peanut traces (which they do now, I believe). Even though the shipping costs add up, I ordered them at Halloween time, along with other items I thought I could use in the next few months, so I could save on not paying multiple shipping orders charges. My PA son is now almost four, and he has just recently become more aware of holiday candy, and WANTS it! I also wanted my non-PA seven-year-old daughter to be able to have some safe treats. Good luck and Happy Chanukah to all our Jewish PA families!

By the way, anybody have any suggestions for a safe parve cookie or treat for non-milk lunch days? Thanks.

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IP: Logged California Mom Member Posts: 349 Registered: Jul 2000 posted December 06, 2001 05:42 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I ordered our gelt from Vermont Nut Free last year, and did it again this year. I signed up to bring gelt for Leah's Sunday School Chanukah party, and ordered one package per kid! It is terribly expensive. Fortunately there are only nine kids in the class. Since three of them are PA - I felt justified in spending so much. I'm amazed that my husband didn't question the $60 charge on our Visa bill!!! (I also ordered a box of truffles and some fudge, as long as I was ordering! I wish Elite would get their act together and eliminate the risk of peanut/nut exposure from their gelt. Miriam IP: Logged nava Member Posts: 4 Registered: Jun 2001 posted December 07, 2001 01:26 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I called Paskesz last week about something completely different, and they told me that their Hannukah gelt, chocolate chips, and several other chocolate items are made on dedicated lines IP: Logged SF Member Posts: 22 Registered: Feb 2002 posted December 07, 2001 01:43 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nava: what is the contact info for Paskesz?? Please post their phone # or web address so that I can contact them, thanks!! IP: Logged nava Member Posts: 4 Registered: Jun 2001 posted December 07, 2001 02:53 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Their phone number is (718)832-2400 and the web address is [url="http://www.paskeszcandy.com"]www.paskeszcandy.com[/url] although I haven't tried to reach them that way. IP: Logged Going Nuts Member Posts: 204 Registered: Oct 2001 posted December 07, 2001 04:17 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Interesting about Paskez - I seem to remember hearing something totally different when I questioned them last year. But come to think of it, I believe that was for Passover, so that may change everything. Happy Hanukah to all - just THINKING about frying all those latkes makes me woozy!

Amy

IP: Logged Going Nuts Member Posts: 204 Registered: Oct 2001 posted December 07, 2001 04:19 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh California Mom, I forgot to mention it - if you come east to visit your inlaws, please let me know!

Amy

IP: Logged California Mom Member Posts: 349 Registered: Jul 2000 posted January 17, 2002 08:45 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- O.K. guys: I'm back on the Tu BiShevat bandwagon again, a year later. This year I'm trying to be proactive and spoke with the teacher and the educational director last Sunday. They were planning a meeting for later that day and both said they would discuss it then. What do you make of today's e-mail exchange between our educational director and myself?!

-----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 2:48 PM To: Rabbi xxxxxxx Subject: Tu BiShevat seder

Hi Rabbi xxxxxx,

I am just wondering if you and the first grade teachers had the opportunity to work anything out regarding the upcoming Tu BiShevat seder.

One thought I had was that if it is decided to do a "nut free" seder, I think it would be appropriate to tell the kids: at this part we would normally eat nuts, to have something that is hard on the outside and hard on the inside. But, since we have children in this class who are very allergic to nuts, we are not going to do that today". To me this seems in keeping with teaching good Jewish values. The value of compassion and keeping health and safety in mind seem to me to be quite prevalent in Jewish teachings. I would like to think that I would feel the same way if it were someone else's child, and not my own, who had this severe allergy.

Thanks for taking the time to hear my thoughts. I'm looking forward to hearing yours!

Shalom,

Miriam

The rabbi's reply:

Honestly, I don't think I'm going to make a big deal out of it. Maybe we would have a bowl of nuts to show and call it a day. I don't want to stress any one out or embarass anyone. We can sweep it under the orange peels that day. Thanks for keeping in touch. xxxxx

my reply:

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I'm honestly not quite sure what you meant, however. The idea of just having a bowl of nuts to show the kids sounds fine to me. But I'm unclear about who might be stressed out or embarrassed and why.

Anyhow, your plan sounds fine to me, if I'm understanding it.

Thanks, Miriam

Am I just a total idiot or what? I don't get it! Maybe she thinks Leah would be embarrassed? I'm surprised this is the way she feels, as an educator. There are 3 out of 9 kids in the class with peanut allergies. Leah is the only one with tree nut allergies, too; but still, it seems quite prudent to me to just keep the damn nuts (pardon me!) out of the seder!!!

Going Nuts, I just saw your post for the first time today! I will tell you when we go to New York again; it would be great to meet you. It probably won't be for quite a while, though, because we will see all the family in Boston in April, for my niece's Bat Mitzvah. Then a bunch of us are getting together this summer in Oregon. We'll surely be there one of these days, however. Thanks for thinking of me!

[This message has been edited by California Mom (edited January 17, 2002).]

IP: Logged BENSMOM Member Posts: 614 Registered: May 2000 posted January 17, 2002 09:54 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yikes, I just realized that our synagogue is having a TuB'shvat seder too and I was thinking about going. I've never been to one (the first one we had was last year) and I have no idea what they do or what role nuts play. So, any insight you can give me there would be great. As for your rabbi's response, without knowing the significance or symbolism of the nuts, I would say she just thinks it's not a big deal to omit them. Maybe she does feel that your daughter or another child would be embarrassed. Are you really sure that Leah or one of the other kids wouldn't be embarrassed? My son hates being the center of attention and hates to even be talked about. Perhaps the rabbi even heard from the parents of the other pa kids and they didn't want their kids singled out, so to speak. Who knows. If you're comfortable with her plan, I'd leave it at that. If you know the other pa parents well, I'd see what they think. Guess I better see what I can find out about ours!

IP: Logged California Mom Member Posts: 349 Registered: Jul 2000 posted January 18, 2002 01:55 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bensmom: You do raise a good point about Leah or one of the other kids being embarrassed. I guess since the allergic kids make up 1/3 the class, I didn't see that it would be embarrassing. Leah actually doesn't like a lot of attention, but I think that in this case it wouldn't upset her. (Of course I don't know that for sure.) I'm also not so sure that sweeping differences "under the orange peels" is such a great idea. How do we teach kids about being sensitive and compassionate to others' differences if we don't discuss it? Truly, though: I just didn't get what she meant. I found her response to be so non-specific that I honestly wasn't sure what she was trying to say. I was actually, at first, thinking that she was referring to Leah's teacher feeling embarrassed, since I sort of went over her head on this one. Now I am thinking that she meant Leah and/or the other allergic kids.

I guess I'm just feeling like this is a really big issue for me; one that we will be facing every year. I'd like to get some clarity on how we're going to handle it. I would like the rabbi and the teacher(s) to realize that this is a big deal for a kid who's so severely allergic to nuts.

As for the role nuts play in the seder: At different points during the seder you are supposed to eat different fruits and nuts which fall into different categories. (Those with a pit in the middle; those with edible skin; those with seeds; etc.)

Maybe I came on too strong in my first e-mail. Maybe in my second one too! It's hard with an e-mail because you never know what the other person's intent is with regards to the words they wrote. I guess I am interpreting a very blase and carefree attitude in the e-mail which may not be what she intended at all. By the way, I really do like this rabbi a lot. She is young, kind of flamboyant, and very innovative and energetic. We've always gotten along well. Thanks for taking the time to answer! Miriam

IP: Logged Going Nuts Member Posts: 204 Registered: Oct 2001 posted January 18, 2002 04:31 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't think we've ever come across this problem at Tu B'Shvat. Can't we just give them jaw breakers instead? LOL!!!

Miriam, did you by any chance get our rabbi? We lost our young, energetic, flamboyant rabbi last spring - she moved out west. They've had a tough time filling her shoes.

Amy

IP: Logged California Mom Member Posts: 349 Registered: Jul 2000 posted January 18, 2002 10:20 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amy, do you go to Temple Beth El in Great Neck? If so, it is not the same rabbi. (I'll bet I had you fooled there for a second, ha ha.) My in-laws go to Temple Beth El, and I know their rabbi moved to the L.A. area. Miriam IP: Logged Going Nuts Member Posts: 204 Registered: Oct 2001 posted January 19, 2002 05:13 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You did have me going there for a minute! Yes indeed, we do. I saw Hillary Clinton there last night for the Martin Luther King Interfaith Shabbat. Contact me off board and tell me who your in-laws are! Amy

IP: Logged Going Nuts Member Posts: 204 Registered: Oct 2001 posted January 19, 2002 05:15 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You did have me going there for a minute! Yes indeed, we do. I saw Hillary Clinton there last night for the Martin Luther King Interfaith Shabbat. Contact me off board and tell me who your in-laws are! Amy

IP: Logged AmyS Member Posts: 27 Registered: Jul 2001 posted January 22, 2002 04:05 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amy/Goingnuts, Are you from Great Neck? I grew up there (graduated from North) and Miriam & I met there last May!!!! We are in Westchester now.

Anyway, my son is in a Jewish preschool and there are only 2 peanut allergic children that I know of including my son.

My son has to skip most of the celebrations at school due to multiple allergies. His classroom is generally safe (because the school is peanut/nut free) but I find it's hard to keep an eye out at the large events.

Amy, Mom to Daniel(4) & Sam (15 months)

IP: Logged Going Nuts Member Posts: 204 Registered: Oct 2001 posted January 22, 2002 05:43 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Amy S., Yes, I'm in Great Neck ! Feel free to contact me off board to play "Did You Know..." I have lots of buddies who grew up here, so we may know lots of people in common.

Amy

IP: Logged AmyS Member Posts: 27 Registered: Jul 2001 posted January 22, 2002 08:41 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amy-I just emailed you!!!! Have to go-

Amy

IP: Logged Going Nuts Member Posts: 204 Registered: Oct 2001 posted January 27, 2002 09:24 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bumping this up for Kniver. IP: Logged boys mom Member Posts: 2 Registered: Feb 2002 posted February 12, 2002 08:44 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, I love that there are other families out there with the same kosher issues that have. Yah. My 6 year old son has a life threaten peanut allergy, is allergic to soy and walnuts also, seasonal allergies and has asthma. the 4 year old is allergic to strawberries, loves peanut butter and has asthma and the 19 month old has asthma, it's always fun to go places and say all that when dealing with food. The biggest problems we have is with the soy allergy and people not beleiveing how dangerous peanuts are. This year his school made his class peanut free which is very nice ( but it took 2 years to get to this) We still have problems with soy there are donuts made with soybeans, that they give him at chaunkah he gets sick (voimiting) I yell..... We also had a problem at camp a kid had peanut butter on his hands chased my son and touched him. Thank goodness he was already on medicaition and nothing happened , the camp 1st said oh it was ajoke, hahah I said if I come after you with a knife and nick you i's a joke haha Needless to say he won't be going back. Has anyone had problems with jewish schools taking a long time to get it? I always go to the teachers before school and say look peanut butter can kill my son you need to be very scared an when in doubt call me. I'm lucky that both my boys know what they are allergic to and tell everyone that food needs to checked. IP: Logged SF Member Posts: 22 Registered: Feb 2002 posted February 20, 2002 11:34 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My sons school is planning to make Hamentashen so I checked on the filling to make sure it is safe. Just thought I would post that "Comstock Original" pie filling or topping by Agrilink foods (800)270-2743 is made in a nut free facility and is safe. This is true for all of the filling flavors. [url="http://www.agrilinkfoods.com"]www.agrilinkfoods.com[/url]

IP: Logged SF Member Posts: 22 Registered: Feb 2002 posted February 23, 2002 02:02 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check this out: [url="http://www.manischewitz.com"]www.manischewitz.com[/url] I think they updated their site! If you click on "Health Corner" they have lists for peanut and nut free items, egg free, wheat free, etc. They also have recipes and list their items available year round and also for Passover. I think this company is doing a great job! If anyone has contact info for other Kosher companies I would appreciate the info so that I can call them too.

IP: Logged Melrose Mum Member Posts: 7 Registered: Jan 2002 posted February 23, 2002 06:20 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back to the top...Regarding the prevalence of PA amoung Jews, I guessing that the reason your school went PA has more to do with the general education and proactiveness of the Jewish community. I/WE are not Jewish, but we have looked at Jewish schools for our PA daughter BECAUSE there seems to be more awareness on a variety of issues...Zelda is currently attending a Peanut/Nut free school (housed in a church but not affiliated) with many other nut allergic kids, they seem to be a standard euro-american mix of kids with no group dominating. I CHOSE to send Zelda to her school BECAUSE it is Peanut/nut Free. I think it's safe to say that when a nut free school option exists (or is created) the PA folks will flock to the school, awareness will increase and it will become economically prudent for folks to offer/provide a nut free environment. BTW tahnk you everyone who posted the food links, gotta have my perogies! Diane Diane IP: Logged BENSMOM Member Posts: 614 Registered: May 2000 posted March 02, 2002 03:09 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My grandmother was always in charge of the baking for Passover (and all holidays) but she passed away last year so now my mom is doing it. Well, my grandmother would just go ahead and use Nestle choc chips in her Passover cookies even though they weren't kosher for Passover. But my mom got special Passover choc chips. As far as I can tell, they are not nut safe. The Nestles were safe(where we live.) *sigh* I don't let Ben eat foods labeled "may contain" but really, cross-contamination is not something I worry about too too much. He's never had a reaction and before he was diagnosed, he ate tons of cross-contaminated stuff all the time. I guess I just don't have a hard line for where my comfort zone is, and I hate to make a fuss if I'm going to be slack in other areas. Not sure what I'll do. I'll probably tell my mother they're not safe and I'm sure she'll go back to Nestles. Jewish law puts health over dietary restrictions. Of course, he doesn't really HAVE to eat the cookies, lol. IP: Logged BENSMOM Member Posts: 614 Registered: May 2000 posted March 02, 2002 03:15 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My mother just mentioned that she's started the Passover baking (my grandmother used to do it but she died last year) and she bought Passover chocolate chips. My grandmother just went ahead and used Nestle's which are not kosher for Passover, but no one really sweats the small stuff in our family. Anyway, the kosher choc chips are not nut safe as far as I can tell. The only reason I'm hesistant to bring it up is that my "line" between what Ben can and cannot eat floats around a bit. I do slack off and sometimes let him eat things that are sure to be cross-contaminated. He's never reacted and used to eat tons of cross-contaminated stuff before he was diagnosed. So, I never know how I want to handle these situations. I'm sure my mother would go back to the nestle's (which are safe in our area) if I asked her to. I just hate to be hypocritical about it. *sigh*. Jewish law does put health about dietary restrictions. Not like my son even has to eat the cookies of course, but he does love them. I guess I'll mention it to my mom. *sigh* again. IP: Logged

On Mar 8, 2002

There may be some post missing between the above text and this text. If those that posted notice anything is missing please post about it below on this thread. Thanks

Here is more text from the back up files as this thread became corrupted and we had to work on it.

>> BENSMOM posted 03-08-2002 02:32 PM ET (US) I doubt there is such a thing, but if anyone finds any, please post. Everything I've seen is cross-contaminated, even if it's not listed as such.

On Nov 22, 2002

Well, I thought I might have found some safe Chanukah gelt, but it was not to be. I bought "Milk Chocolate Gold Coins" at Bed, Bath and Beyond. They have no nut warning on them and they're made in Italy for Sherwood Brands LLC. I checked their website under FAQ and they have a list of products produced on shared equipment. The gold coins are on the list. I'm going to email them and ask them to put the warning on the label, but at least I was able to find out pretty easily that they're not safe. Oh well, more for me I guess. Ben's not emotially attached to Chanukah gelt anyway--I just want him to have it because it was a fun thing when I was a kid.

On Nov 22, 2002

BENSMOM,

You can buy nut-safe gold foil wrapped chocolate coins (internet or mail order) from Vermont Nut Free Chocolates. They're not exactly Hanukah gelt, since they don't have Hanukah themed designs on them, and I have no idea if they're Kosher (or if that's important to you), but the might be close enough to please your son.

--Debbie

On Nov 22, 2002

Thanks. I'll check it out.

On Nov 22, 2002

Paskesz chocolate gelt are supposed to be safe as well.

On Nov 22, 2002

Bensmom,

I got some coins and Star of David lollipops from Vermont Nut Free. I can hardly wait to see Kevin's face when he gets those - they're HUGE!

Amy

On Nov 23, 2002

Interesting theory...my DS is 1/2 Jewish and PAllergic.

On Dec 11, 2004

Looking for Chanukah Gelt again. I found some that has no warning label in World Market. Anyone know anything about this? They're made in the Netherlands. They have other chocolate coins that are made in Germany that do have a warning label, so I don't know if the Netherlands company just doesn't label, or if World Market requires proper labelling and they're really ok. I want them for tomorrow (Sunday), so won't be able to reach the company before then. I usually let Ben have things if there's no warning unless I know that the company doesn't label.

On Dec 11, 2004

I called Paskesz again this year and was assured that there gelt, which is made in Holland, is safe. In fact, any of their products (like their chocolate chips) which are made in the Holland plant should be fine. I've also ordered gelt (though not Kosher) from Vermont Nut-free.

On another Jewish note, I'm still in search of any packaged baked good/cookie which is pareve and safe. Any ideas?? TIA.

On Dec 11, 2004

Yonit...did you ever check out Kedem's tea biscuits (old thread [url="http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum11/HTML/000252.html"]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/Forum11/HTML/000252.html[/url] )? I did have an opportunity to read the label a bit better a few weeks ago. I believe they're imported from Israel rather than being made in the US.

On Dec 11, 2004

Thanks. I don't think I've ever seen Paskesz around here. I know I haven't seen anything without a label, except what I just bought.

On Mar 25, 2005

bumping for Passover.

On Mar 28, 2005

Umm...

Happy Purim anyone?

Jason

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On Mar 28, 2005

Does anyone have contact info for Joyva? For some reason I can't find them on the internet.

I saw some chocolate covered marshmallows that DS would just adore. Can't say I blame him. [img]http://uumor.pair.com/nutalle2/peanutallergy/wink.gif[/img]

Amy

On Mar 28, 2005

(718)497-0170 located in Brooklyn, NY. I've not contacted them this year as DS did not like their jelly rings nor the marshmallow candies last year. I'm not unhappy as I still am uneasy about them due to the sesame seed candies Joyva makes. Do post what you find out, though! Thanks!

On Mar 28, 2005

I just sent an email to manischewitz . . . saw marshmallows in the store and wondered about safety. I also noticed, to my dismay, that their Pesach cookies were not labeled with allergy warnings, as I believe they have been in the past. I'll post the response when I get it. Their website list of peanut-free does not seem to have been updated in along time. Anybody find out about any other safe Pesach products?

On Mar 29, 2005

Thanks Donni, I'm concerned about all the sesame myself (mmmmm... halvah...).

I'll let you know what I hear.

Amy

On Apr 2, 2005

Here is the reply I got from Manischewitz (my email to them is at the end of this post):

"Very few of our products have allergen warnings but we have created the lists in the Health Corner of our web site in order to respond to people with allergy and health concerns. The Marshmallows are peanut and nut free but all the chocolate products are made in a plant where there are nut products so we do not include any of them on our list. There are nuts used in some of the Macaroons and cookies so we do not list them.

Grape Juice is a nut free product but is not yet on the list.

Are there any other specific products about which you need information?

Sincerely,

Deborah Ross, Consumer Affairs

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From: [email]yhoffman2@comcast.net[/email] [mailto:yhoffman2@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 7:08 PM To: Deborah Ross Subject: allergy question

Are there any additional products to add to your list of peanut/nut-free products for Passover or otherwise? I saw your Kosher for Passover marshmallows. Are they safe? I was also curious about the chocolate chips. I did not see an allergen warning on these products, however, I noticed that some of your cookies, which usually have an allergen warning, did not have a warning either.

Thanks in advance for the information --

On Apr 11, 2005

Donni - I did check out the Kedem tea biscuits and, as far as I could determine from the man I spoke to, they are safe. It would be good to get confirmation from somebody else, as he didn't seem totally allergy aware, although the info he gave me seemed fine. We've been eating them with no problems. Let me know if you get the same reply.

On Apr 11, 2005

Just spoke to Streits -- all the matzah is totally safe (no nuts in factory). Ketchup is okay, too. Other than that, I'd stay away from their stuff - they just don't know about many of their products.

On Apr 14, 2005

Here's a terrific nut free haroset recipe I found in the Washington Post a few years ago:

2 cups fresh cranberries (may sub frozen, thawed) 1/4 cup dried cranberries 1/2 cup dried cherries 1/3 cup golden raisins 2 cups peeled, coursely chopped apples (about 2 medium) 3/4 cup water 1/2 cup water or orange juice 2 Tblspoons sweet red wine (optional) 1/2 tsp ground cinnamon Sugar to taste (optional

In a med. saucepan over med. heat combine all the ingredients. Bring to a gentle simmer and cook, stirring occasionally, until the cranberries pop, 3-5 minutes. Taste; it may be necessatry to add add'l OJ or sugar. Remove the pan from the heat; set aside to cool. Cover and refrigerate until serviing (Will keep for 3 days). Enjoy!

On Apr 14, 2005

Has anyone found safe macaroons? Thanks.

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